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#76 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-25 06:06:17

I'm not saying that France or Canada should start arming their citizens, run your countries however you see fit. But don't tell us how to run ours. I don't say this lightly, carrying a firearm is an awesome responsibility that not everyone is ready for. Even I didn't realize that fully until faced with the imminent prospect of being granted authority by my state government to do so for the purpose of protecting myself and others from death or grievous bodily harm. You can't flip off the guy that cuts you off in traffic anymore, you can't let combative drunk assholes draw you into a confrontation anymore. You have to turn the other cheek on the little things because when it really matters, you have the power to kill another person who is intent on inflicting irreperable harm on another.

Well, just ask the policemen wether they prefer gun control or not. I suppose that they would be more relax if they new that no driver have any gun. My friends which went to USA reported me how harsh was the first contact with the US road police patrols and how schoked they were to be aimed with guns on simple car controls.
"Steady, keep your hands on the steering wheel..." and so on
I can tell you that they didn't encouraged anybody to travel on your country roads, even if contact with peoples was mostly very friendly
That doesn't happen here because peoples aren't supposed to have any weapon.

You're talking about pretended saved lifes with guns, there are not statistics on deterred attacks; about raped girls, does a girl naturally have a gun in her bag ?

There are local architectural traditions, here in France, houses are almost all concrete attached houses, generally with safe oak doors and shutters, nowhere sash windows, when locked, it's very difficult to intrude, that let a lot of time to call for police or to get the double barrels hunting gun they have in the country.
When we see US movies, we're amazed to see how easy it's to intrude a traditionnal US wooden house, and understand why it's safer and cheaper to buy a gun than to have passive house defenses.

Now, you manage your country as you like and have Columbine type killings.

#77 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-24 08:08:28

LO

Yes, there is a lot of violence in the U.S.  I don't like it either.  Repeat:  I don't like it either.  Lots of Americans don't.
Terrorists come from other nations too.  We didn't invent suicide bombers...you know? 
Non-Americans try to stereotype all Americans as being stupid warmongers who have no decency or common sense.

I'm a non american which knows that lots of Americans just love to live in peace.
But gun control is non liberal and avoids lots of carnages. That's a fact.
We're not wiser than you, have some drunkards which are already dangerous with their cars, they would commit easily homicides if guns were as easily available as in some US states

#78 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-23 11:06:59

LO
If you see photographic views of a typical US town


UsRanked.jpg


and the one of a typical french town


Beaugency.jpg

Then you understand why froggies have more some kind of anarchist mind than US citizens  big_smile

#79 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-23 03:14:24

LO

France photo browsing with generally a higher resolution than with GoogleEarth over France.

That is really cool big_smile

For Paris and main France cities it's not true
Here is my place in Paris, as seen as by GeoPortail, and as seen as by GoogleEarth, 5th and last floor.
It's true for the rest of french territory

The Google photo is quite up to date, the white spot on the roof is a TV sat parabolic aerial which have been set in 2005 summer

#80 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-22 15:27:52

They've done it  roll
Now you can have a France photo browsing with generally a higher resolution than with GoogleEarth over France. Still waiting for 3D viewing.
Be indulgent, the french National Geographic Institute is far from having Google's money power, it lives mainly from selling roads and general geographic maps and few gouvernmental subventions.

#81 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-22 02:29:16

@EuroLauncher
Your links towards China strinkig USA are pure fantasm of pananoïd brains.
Maybe China choosed to compete on economics with the free trade consequences.
When US or Euro will have relocated factories in China, just to make more profits, destroying jobs in USA and Euroland, we'll live on service jobs which do not create anything and have huge deficits, we'll be vulnerable just because the main industrial goods will be made in China.

#82 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-20 17:24:03

LO

Just because one is not correct, does not make him a liar. Do you think George Bush knowing and deliberately led US troops into this quagmire? The liberals or the left always say two things about George Bush, one is that he's stupid and incompetant, and the other is that he is a liar. If he is a liar, that presupposes that he should know better and is not stupid. If he is stupid, that supposes that he does not know any better and is a mistake and not a lie. Now which is it?

He is a liar because he deliberately lied on WMD, falsely accused Iraq to be associated with Al Qeada, showed false evidences on so called biologic research lab trucs supposed to have been air snapshoted, even Colin Powel admitted the whole american accusation files at Iraq were a whole vacuum, bullsh*it !

I think the Iraq War was a success in the respect that it removed the threat of Saddam Hussein

Just because the life of 600000 iraqians, thoses of your boys, you don't care a dime
, all you want is to think you're right whatever reality on the ground is

Do you think George Bush knowing and deliberately led US troops into this quagmire?

He and its bright military advisors thought it would be an easy job and that a military unwished occupation would be greeted with flowers

One can be at the same time a liar and a stupid ape, one doesn't prevent the other.


If George Bush wanted to get him, he would have to send US troops into the tribal areas of Northern Pakistan, but they Pakistan government won't give him permission as Pakistani sovereignty is a sensitive issue.

Since George Bush doesn't ask for permission to invade a country which isn't a real threat, he'd to have ask permission to act against a real threat ?
what a miserable argument !


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#83 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-20 13:46:15

If France does not have sympathy with the terrorists, then it should not make any efforts to stop those who want to combat them. I do not support any policy that gives any terrorists or their supporters anything to celebrate.

BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

Well, meanwhile you're loosing sense and self-control, if you ever had any, telling absolutely anything, N Korea 'not planning more tests' lol

While you're vituperating, a simple analyze of forces balance shows that in any case, North korea wouldn't have launch any suicide attack without being crushed by South Korean army which has a tremendous air superiority. All these gesticulations from North Korea was a desperate try to get some economic help.

Well, I know that a large majority of Americans aren't your pit-bull type of man, a nuke freak worthing not more than any Saddam.


My solution would be to just keep on making boat people out of Iraqis who support violence until there is no more armed conflict in Iraq.

And my diagnosis remains  :shock: : Megalomania with paranoid tendancies
Prescrition is still the same: get up realy, work hard, and become Master of The World up to be able to carry up your "solution"  lol

#84 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-20 08:39:11

LO

Maybe we could help support an alternative school system in Pakistan.

May be one hundreth of the amount of money spent for the war at Saddam would have proved to pakistanese ordinary citizens that we are neither their ennemies nor ennemies of koran.
I've heard a turkish originated french saying that France with its social system was more complying with the sharia charity rules than the turkish state...

#85 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-20 06:09:22

LO

'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists waiting to happen, but there's a reason that the Muslim world so easily swings en masse against the West. Not just America, the West as a whole. Even the oh so accomodating France, as recent events illustrate.

Just a remark, Mr Cobra, In France, violent troubles were a social rise of poor suburbs youngsters, where all ethnic groups were represented, against the police harassment they really suffer of, the facts are that police sould be ethnically similar to the populations it frames to be well accepted, which isn't the case.
Up to now, unlike in Great Britain, the french born youngsters do not blast themselves or launch terrorist attacks against their own country.

But make no mistake, we're not the only player at the board and the opponent is using our own blindness and delusions against us. Hostile elements are seeping into Western states that are so terrified of being labeled "racist" that they won't even discuss whether there's a problem. Well, I don't care if someone wants to call me racist, even if I do reject the label.

We're trying to fight wrong islamic conceptions, that's why we don't fear being called racists when we forbid veils in public schools, in administrative jobs, where we don't want any ethnic or religious group be favorized or mistreated by anyone.
So, we decided, that,
"Madame, if you want to enter the Town Hall, the social affair office, you take your veil off, this is the law, if you don't like this country's laws, quit it"

You're the kind of a US man we can have allies' quarrels  big_smile
For the main of your message, I do agree,
except for the anglosaxon type civilization...  big_smile  we like our gallish type one, more messy

#86 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-20 05:27:29

You still haven't answered my question: How do you know which warnings to listen too? If we'd listened to everyone's warnings, we would have done nothing and have been invaded and taken over by now. You don't know what would have happened if Saddam Hussein stayed in power, any more than you know what would have happened had we deposed Adolf Hitler in 1936. We can speculate, but we'd only be weighing guesses against facts. By your reasoning, we should never do nothing to prevent anything. World War II taught us, we should try to anticipate threats, and interupt them before they got too big. I don't like the idea of waiting for the enemy to build a mighty war machine and then opposing him. You lost France because you waited too long, you did not do anything to stop Hitler when it was easier, and if you did, there would be no way to difinitively prove that he would have developed into a greater menace if left unchecked. At least our way, we don't end up invaded and occupied like you were. That Great Britain did it also is no excuse, only the Channel save Great Britian, France did not have any such thing. You are responsible for your own foreign affairs. Following the sheep over the cliff is no excuse.

There was a lot of differences between the pre WW2 situation and the Iraq war 2. In 1939, Germany wasn't overflighted each day by US and Royal air forces as far as I know !
Germany was the second industrial world power, were is Iraq in industrial world ranking?
Iraq was UNO inspected, UNO didn't exist, there was a Society Of Nations witho any kind of military means.
Therefore what is true for prewar Germany isn't true for Iraq.
Saddam martyrised other ethnies because they opposed to him, not because they just weren't Sunnis, there are a lot of accusations against Saddam, not any accusation of racism
Recalling the german invasion again and again will not fit on Iraq whatever your historic SF speculations are, I'm not telling you again and again how or why you could have avoided Pearl Harbour attack, do I ?
But I can recall you that lots of countries and peoples all over the world opposed to the second Iraq war, feeling it would become a nightmare, this is a fact, not a speculation


And don't you ever think that here in France we have the least sympathy for the terrorists, we had GIA algerian terrorists blasts in our metro, Al Qaeda calls for actions against France, we expect at any moment an attack as those in London and Madrid.

#87 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-20 04:54:50

So you think if we refuse to sell F-16's to Pakistan, they'll build schools instead?
.... And people wonder why we say Europe is dangerously niave.

No, they'll buy them from Russia.

HAHAHA, Russia selling weapons to Pakistan which harboured jihadist volunteers to go and fight the Russian troops which invaded Afghanistan, I'm afraid that if you call me a dangerous naive, I can call you a dangerous ignorant lol


Even France is not above selling weapons of war to even less savory types. Which large western European country had it's planes exiled from the theater in the 1st Gulf War because their planes were identical to the ones flown by the Iraqis?

You're naive if you think a second that we do sell the same Mirages we have to foreign uncertain clients. Khadafi didn't even try to use its Mirages against the french expeditionnary corp when he tried an annexion on Chad, aware that they would simply fall out of control and crash if flight over french troops.
French Mirages weren't used over Iraq just because their radar echoes were similar to Saddam's listed in allies AA systems, nevertheless photograpic survey Mirages were used.


Saddams WMD's were not going to save his regime

You can stance again and again like a parrot that Saddam had WMD when daddy'son launched the US attack, if Saddam had, terrorists would be actually using them, if they don't, Sadam hadn't any WMD left, that's all.
There is nobody except the morons to believe that lie.

#88 Re: Not So Free Chat » Froggy's » 2006-10-19 16:26:40

If you don't like Pakistan cause its not a democracy, how would you like it if it was?

Mussariff is not a madman, and that is why he has our support. He lives under considerable threat to his life trying to keep Pakistans nukes out of the hands of extremists, and everyone should be dam thankful that we do. Someday Pakistan will be a democracy,

No matter Pakistan is a democracy or not, the problem is that it's a damned nest of islamic fundies !

You think that democracy is the solution, I think that welfare and education are the solutions, when I said that for one F16 and maintenance sold to Pakistan, one school wasn't built, that was a fake, in this country among the poorest in the world, it is one hundred schools unbuilt, replaced by islamist fundies' schools teaching to the children the hate at the West, to begin with USA.

As for being stable, don't think for a minute that the sectarian violence occuring on the streets of Bagdad today wasn't occuring under Saddam. It was, and by Saddams direction. The only difference was Saddam did it quietly, and Shia and the Kurds took the brunt of it. Did you miss all the picutres of the mass graves?

There were very little things the spy satellite cameras didn't see or unreported by refugeed opponents.
Under Saddam, and after Gulf War 1, there have been lots of Kurdish and Shias victims, I know that, nevertheless, Kurds were air protected by US and Royal air forces, and the level of Iraqi victims never rose at 600000 as under US occupation, unable to stop the actual civil war, that's what the world sees

We done know what happen to Saddams WMDs, other than to say they were not is a state to be militarily effective when we invaded.

Haha, you don't know   roll
That's the fake, US administration accuses, isn't able after all investigations on the ground to find any evidence of WMD
It's obvious that if Iraq had lethal gaz or anthrax production units, as told by Colin Powell before the whole world TV cameras at the UNO Security Council, the resistance and terrorists would have used them against US troops or even other opponent Iraqis, or against any western capital, if they didn't, if they don't, Iraq had no WMD, the UNO inspectors did correctly their job, it is clear for the whole world except for the stupid warmongers !

#89 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-18 13:46:52

LO

Just because one is not correct, does not make him a liar. Do you think George Bush knowing and deliberately led US troops into this quagmire? The liberals or the left always say two things about George Bush, one is that he's stupid and incompetant, and the other is that he is a liar. If he is a liar, that presupposes that he should know better and is not stupid. If he is stupid, that supposes that he does not know any better and is a mistake and not a lie. Now which is it?

He is a liar because he deliberately lied on WMD, falsely accused Iraq to be associated with Al Qeada, showed false evidences on so called biologic research lab trucs supposed to have been air snapshoted, even Colin Powel admitted the whole american accusation files at Iraq were a whole vacuum, bullsh*it !

I think the Iraq War was a success in the respect that it removed the threat of Saddam Hussein

Just because the life of 600000 iraqians, thoses of your boys, you don't care a dumb, all you want is to think you're right whatever reality on the ground is

Do you think George Bush knowing and deliberately led US troops into this quagmire?

He and its bright military advisors thought it would be an easy job and that a military unwished occupation would be greeted with flowers

One can be at the same time a liar and a stupid ape, one doesn't prevent the other.


If George Bush wanted to get him, he would have to send US troops into the tribal areas of Northern Pakistan, but they Pakistan government won't give him permission as Pakistani sovereignty is a sensitive issue.

Since George Bush doesn't ask for permission to invade a country which isn't a real threat, he'd to have ask permission to act against a real threat ?
what a miserable argument !


Visit USA, its splendid lanscapes, its torture camps...

#90 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-18 13:06:00

Hindsight is always 20/20, its hard to tell which of the prophits are telling the truth and which are just guessing, your country sure was wrong about Hitler though.

I've already told you that Brit Chamerlain was part of the Munich negiociators, my country wasn't the only one wrong at this time, Great Britain too.

USA was warned that invading Iraq would set a mess in the whole region, you got the result, US Army isn't abble to deter North Korae, yet more US boys have been victim of the big ape stupidity than the 9/11 did.

But I must conclude that a blockhead remains a blockhead whatever happens.

#91 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-16 12:40:48

You know your French History. What happened after World War I,

We are talking about Iraq, not about Germany which was the 2nd world industrial power with almost twice the french population at this time?
You mix things that have nothing to see, the stupidity of the french commandment with outdated strategy don't have anything common with the second war at Iraq.


It is proved that Iraq had nothing to see with the 9/11
That Saddam tried to get rid of Bin Ladin which designated him as a unbeliever ennemy of Islam.
None of any pretext given by the administration, WMD, terrorism at the west, collusion with Al Qaeda wasn't a lie.
Are you a blockhead ?
How long will you trust liars who share with friends the citizens' money supposed to devellop Iraq, supposed to rebuild new Orleans ?

Now, the US Army is limed in Iraq when more troops in Afghanistan might have permitted to catch Bin Ladin and control the fronteers in order to stop the heroin production which support guerilla there, when its threat at North Korea is quite inexisting ?

#92 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-16 10:29:20

What I say is true though, the Koreans are descended from the Mongol Horde that invaded China. Whenever Koreans act cruel, they are illustrating the point, whether its true or not.

I told you that Romans were far more cruel than the Mongols, they killed most of their opponents a horrible way, looting all richnesses and sailing all the transportable populations on their slave markets.

You know how tired I am of this. US soldiers sacrificed for alot of countries in the 20th century, you should know this, because your country is one of those. Unlike other Imperialist countries, we did not keep the land that we fought for. We did not build an Empire the way that France and Great Britian did.

I know what we owe to your fathers and grand-fathers for coming fiercely fight on the french soil.
But gratitude doesn't forbid to say when you mistake, it's not unfriendly to tell it.
I don't like much of hidden calculations when de Villepin opposed USA before Bush launched the attack on Iraq, but there was a warning: this war will make more mess in Iraq and in the region. Today, a light majority of US citizens are convinced that this war doesn't higher their security level, and to say the things clearly, this war supposed to protect american lives from terrorism has already killed more of your boys than the 9/11 attacks, let's not talk of the many wounded and all the Iraqi lives.

The Mongols never got as far as France,

This is a very disputed point in France, led by Attila, the Huns which were thought to be Mongols tribes are supposed to have been defeated and mostly disbanded by the gallo-roman army led by General Aetius in a site called "Champs Catalauniques", but remains of such a battle haven't be discovered up to now, before that, the same Huns are repported to have besieged Lutecia, the former name for Paris, at this time, the two islands on the river Seine, center of paris, could easily contain all the city and suburbs populations, be defended and boat supplied.

I wish the North Koreans didn't have a reputation for Cruely, but as long as they continue to goose step to their masters wishes, they will have that reputation and draw unfavorable comparisons to their Mongol ancestors. I do not wish to make excuses or allowances for them, because I want them to stop. If they do not like being called the modern day Mongol horde, then they should modify their behavior and get rid of their government.

They cannot get rid of their government, not more than the Russians could get rid of Stalin or the Chineses get rid of Mao, ordinary North Koreans don't even have a TV to know how is the "outer world", they just can look at the Party collective TVs, when allowed to. The Party even organises coach travels to their populations so they can have a look at the defensive buildings and weapons on the South Korean boderline side up to convince them that the capitalist military threat is obvious.
You can't condemn a brainwashed population as you can't punish a child wich isn't aware of his doing bad.
It's a nomenclatura which is to be condamned.
We have to deal with this mad machine.

#93 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-16 03:01:03

I'm talking about countries that attack us!

Did Iraq attack USA ?

Yes, when it Attacked Kuwait and threatened our oil supply and hence by extention our economy, that got us involved.

Koweit has been created by the British, as well as the countries fronteer lines in the region. But let's respect them.

So, after the Iraqis attacked Koweit, were defeated, had their Koweit expeditionnary army corp crushed, only very few heavy armament left, embargoed with straight UNO control monitored by US & Brit Air Forces and coalised war fleets, on the ground inspections, did they still endangered USA or threaten any ordinary US citizen ?

#94 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-16 02:24:55

North Koreans have proven a cruel enemy, just like their ancient ancestors, the Mongols.

Some other préjugé of yours. Compared with what the ancient Romans did to the cities or nations populations with dared resist them, no people can be said naturally cruel.
Mongols never invented anything like the Circus games. There is much of the roman in the Western civilization mind, to begin with half the latin rooted words we use.
What you say is just an insult at an ethny, this proves, without the least doubt, how racist you are. No wonder why you would be so easily a nuker...

By the way, Mongol women are considered as very beautiful following the chinese standards of beauty, and it is said that when Gengis Khan ruled Mongolia, a maid bearing all her golden jeweelry could safely cross Siberia without any escort.

An old Mongolian saying advice: "Keep breakfast for yourself, share lunch with your friend and give dinner to your enemy".
To give dinner to an ennemy,  :shock: how stupid, cruel and undercivilized a people Mongols were!


Well then, maybe they can persuade their relatives to overthrow their government and not attack them or us.

This isn't an easy job, communist education and propaganda brainwashes people.
To their eyes, capitalist USA is the threat and Kim's the guy supposed to protect them from the  threat.

#95 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-16 01:29:31

wow what cute animal. To bad that chimps are a vicious cannibalistic animal that tear their prey into pieces while it is still alive.

LO
On the picture, it's a Bonobo, unlike the Chimps, they are not known as other monkeys or self predators.

Recent observations in the wild have confirmed that the males among the Common Chimpanzee troops are extraordinarily hostile to males from outside of the troop. Murder parties are organized to "patrol" for the unfortunate males who might be living nearby in a solitary state. This does not appear to be the behavior of the Bonobo males or females, both of which seem to prefer sexual contact with their group rather than seek violent confrontation with outsiders. The Bonobo lives where the more aggressive Common Chimpanzee does not. Possibly the Bonobo has given a wide berth to their more violent and stronger cousins. Neither swim, and they generally inhabit ranges on opposite sides of the great rivers.

Richard Wrangham and Dale Peterson emphasize the Bonobo's use of sex as a mechanism to avoid violence.

After all, being pacifical by nature and practicising face to face sex, I feel a bit closer to Bonobos than to Chimpanzees....
and have my own classification on which forum member or human being I can rank in the Bonobo-type or in the Chimpanzee-type drawer.
I wouldn't settle on Mars or nowhere else with the Chimpanzee type Humans.

#96 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-16 01:20:35

I'm talking about countries that attack us!

Did Iraq attack USA ?

#97 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-16 01:04:47

I'm not sure what you are saying or who you are talking to.

Groenland is danish, then it's Europe quite near Canada.

#98 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-15 15:07:30

LO

The sea route over the top of Canada ("the Northwest Passage") from Asia to Europe is 3-4 thousand miles shorter than the route via the Suez or Panama Canals. Some climate models have that route open longer and longer each year until it is open year-round.

You know though if they do build a fence maybe they can help keep illegal US guns out of Canada.

If so, Groenland-Danemark will be your close neighbour, you'll have to sea patrol to intercept those african boat people coming from Europe  big_smile

#99 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-15 10:22:14

Saying that its the USA's fault for provoking North Korea doesn't change that basic fundamental fact. North Korea has 8 to 12 fission bombs, the USA has 8,000 thermonuclear bombs, isn't it obvious who would win a nuclear war between the two?

I didn't say that nuclear North Korea effort was US fault, I said that Bushs' threatening words and policy urged this effort.

Now, a large majority of South Koreans don't want any attack at all because they are in first line, and their parents and relatives live in North Korea.

#100 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-15 09:42:13

(...) that's how I'd partition Iraq. I'd redraw the borders so that the ones of Kurdistan are all on flat terrain, (...) etc

Before you can do that, get up early, do work hard in order to become the Master of the World,
and, by the way, have a look in the dictionnary at the word "dictatorship"












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