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#76 Re: Human missions » Private Space Tourism » 2007-02-01 06:00:41

Here is one way to kill space tourism give aways.
Taxes ... the final frontier for space rides; IRS brings hype over suborbital ticket giveaways back down to earth

Like way to go.. IRS..not.

After some number-crunching, Emmett realized he would have to report the $138,000 galactic joy ride as income and owe $25,000 in taxes.

Why doesn't one of the space-loving billionaires/multimillionaires step up to the plate and cover that $25,000 so Emmett can realize HIS dream of going into space?  What is $25,000 to one of the rich ISS-riding kids?  Comparable to maybe that $5 bill in my pocket?  Ansari has said she wants to inspire as many people as possible to go into space -- well here's her chance.  She's wealthy enough to have taken one ISS ride already, wants to take yet another; she's got deep pockets.  Why doesn't she help Emmett?  Or another superwealthy pro-space person?  $25,000 is a drop in the bucket to them.  Let's see one of them put their $$$ where their mouth is -- for real.  smile

#77 Re: Space Policy » Greedy Russians think we're dumb » 2007-02-01 05:53:36

Oh I think it might be even worse then that

Is there any time limit to American obligations for cargo and crew escape? And perhaps ground support too?

If not, then Russia may demand we keep paying, and they would legally be correct.

Oh terrific.  Well, there go my taxpayer's dream of funding a manned mission to Mars. 

Guess my tax dollars will continue going to support the ISS so that billionaires can have their little joy ride.

#78 Re: Human missions » Private Space Tourism » 2007-01-31 09:03:52

For those places developing space ports its about local goverment getting tax dollars and job creation once flights begin.

Yeah, I know.

Job creation = mostly minimum wage in this?

And if it does get voted in and taxpayers (like usual) have to help foot the bill, watch the rich old folks who want to retire around here in their big fancy homes start screaming bloody murder once property taxes start going through the roof.  roll

#79 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Neptune has 1000's of trojans? » 2007-01-31 08:58:35

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 … ojans.html

Neptune might have swarms of trojans -- perhaps 20 times that of Jupiter!  Trojans are asteroid-like objects, and those around Neptune might outnumber the asteroids in the Main Asteroid Belt!  :shock:   big_smile

Scientists hoping New Horizons spacecraft will be close enough to get a good photo of a Neptunian trojan in 2014.  Let's hope so.  smile

Neptune's trojans might be unique Solar System objects in their own right.

I always knew Neptune was groovy.   8)   This confirms it. 

--Cindy

#80 Re: Human missions » Private Space Tourism » 2007-01-31 08:33:52

SpaceNut posted elsewhere:

Rumored for a while now...

State asks counties to launch spaceport

Taxpayers Foot Spaceport Bill

New jobs and an economy boost; the new Southern New Mexico spaceport seems to be moving forward, but it lacks one important thing, and that's money -- Money that taxpayers are being asked to give.
The project lacks $60 million and nearly $58 million of that money will come from only three of the 33 New Mexico counties. Those counties are Sierra, Otero and Dona Ana.

I knew it!  roll 

The rich ALWAYS "need" the taxpayer to help them.  And if it goes bust, WHO will pay to bail the rich kids out?  The taxpayer -- of course! 

The 3 counties mentioned (one of which is mine; Dona Ana) are NOT wealthy.  Dona Ana would be the wealthiest, as we've got boatloads of well-to-do retirees flooding in.  Otero and Sierra counties are by comparison poor and sparsely populated.

Just Monday our governor, Bill Richardson, was pitching for the Space Port.  I thought this was pretty much a done deal, but no:  It's going to the voters to decide.

#81 Re: Space Policy » Greedy Russians think we're dumb » 2007-01-31 07:54:23

I feel like puking OR laughing my head off:

Russia Eyes Longterm Plan To Keep Station Operational Until 2025

You go right ahead and do that -- on the Russian taxpayer's tab.

Moscow (RIA Novosti) Jan 31, 2007
The International Space Station will likely remain operational until 2025, the head of the Russian spacecraft manufacturer Energia said Tuesday, adding that by 2009-2015, Russia will be the only country able to deliver crews to the station.

Fine.  And you want its life prolonged, so go ahead and pay for it yourself.

Now to fully interpret what is REALLY being said:

"No one is going to sink or drop the ISS, as all countries realize that the station is becoming a full-scale industrial facility in space.

Lol!  Sure:  Occasional "watch the worms float in zero-G", etc.  Putting golf balls into space.  Taking billionaire private citizens aboard for space tours

"All countries," huh?  So lots of taxpayers are supposed to continue paying to help keep it afloat while billionaires have their "space tours" aboard it and RUSSIA rakes in all the profit?

On your own dime, friends. 

Although it is scheduled for decommissioning in 2015, its operational life could be prolonged until 2025," Nikolai Sevastyanov said.

Sure.  Because it's YOUR cash-cow now, what with "space tour" seats having been booked through to 2009.  At $25 million a pop you'd be crazy to NOT try and keep that old metal elephant flying.

And we're not crazy (I sure hope) to continue funding your billionaire tourist trap.

If the U.S. goes in for this, we are beyond stupid.  But I can see our gov't leaders pushing back Moon-Mars for the sake of ... whatever (doing rich/influential friends a favor at taxpayers' expense).

The indepth article is at spacedaily.com

#82 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Hot Comet (McNaught) » 2007-01-30 08:58:01

CIRCUMPOLAR COMET: Comet McNaught is now a circumpolar object over New Zealand--"we can see the comet all night long," says Minoru Yoneto of Queenstown, NZ, who took advantage of the extra observing time to make a spectacular 5-minute exposure of the comet, the Milky Way and the Magellanic Clouds.

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2007/ … _south.gif

http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/gall … page20.php

All that courtesy spaceweather.com

#83 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Fast stars @ galactic center » 2007-01-30 08:50:47

My goodness, Cindy, where have you been? Hope nothing serious. The forums have become positively uncivil without your presence, my girl!

:oops:  big_smile

Thanks Dicktice.

I've been ... busy.  Will try to post more frequently.

#85 Re: Human missions » Big Dumb Boosters revisited » 2007-01-19 15:11:04

I should've said, regarding L-1: zero velocity loiter or parking place for cargo rockets prior to designating landing sites at any point of the Lunar surface....

Hear, hear!  smile

My intended comment, though, was:  I still don't think it's nice to call them big dumb boosters.   tongue

#86 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Hot Comet (McNaught) » 2007-01-19 10:02:43

experienced astronomers have never seen anything like it--a sweeping fan of comet dust visible to the unaided eye despite city lights and twilight.

http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/mcna … ewman2.jpg

The tail curves so much and stretches so far that it actually leads all the way back to the northern hemisphere where streamers can be seen glowing faintly in the western sky after sundown.  On Jan. 18th, Mila Zinkova took this picture from a beach near San Francisco:

http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/mcna … nkova1.jpg

:shock:

This marks the third night in a row that observers have spotted the comet's tail in northern skies. Dan Laszlo of the Northern Colorado Astronomical Society saw it on Jan. 17th and offers this advice: "Find the darkest sky you can and look west between one and two hours after sunset. A site where you can see zodiacal light would be best."

Wow!  We're currently having rainy weather, so my chances of seeing this alone aren't good.

Our friends in the southern hemisphere are getting a real treat.  Wish I could see Comet McNaught in all its glory with my own eyes.  sad

Photos & info from spaceweather.com

#87 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Hot Comet (McNaught) » 2007-01-18 08:27:25

Hi cIclops:  Yes, saw the "first light/STEREO" photo elsewhere.  Terrific.  The photo from Norway is gorgeous.

http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/mcna … rause2.jpg

Comet McNaught is a hit.  Photo was taken from Mossel Bay, South America.  Someone from Argentina wrote (spacweather.com) that it's spectacular from there; many people observing it.  No longer viewable from the northern hemisphere at all.

A real beauty.  Magnitude is currently estimated at -3.  It brightened as predicted, upon getting close to the Sun.

--Cindy

#88 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Fast stars @ galactic center » 2007-01-17 07:34:49

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070114.html

I've seen this before, years ago; likely posted it previously here.  If so, it's worth a repeat.  smile  8-year time-lapse movie.

It is strange seeing stars actually moving.  But very awesome of course.  Couldn't have imagined seeing a clip like this as a kid.

--Cindy

#89 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2007-01-16 15:51:42

"Hobbit Galaxies"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20070116/ … ndmilkyway

Cute.  They're extremely faint and smaller yet than dwarf galaxies, so are being considered "Hobbit galaxies."  8 known so far, 7 of which are satellites of our Milky Way Galaxy; the other 1 seems to be free-floating beyond our Galaxy's gravitational grasp.

smile

#90 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2007-01-16 13:01:06

Cosmic Superstrings

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 … pples.html

Might sing in gravity waves?

The hunt for elusive gravitational waves has a new target: singing cosmic superstrings that theoretically emit the long-sought waves as they vibrate.

The superstrings are “so light that they can’t have any effect on cosmic structure, but they create this bath of gravitational waves just by decaying,”

These theoretical cosmic superstrings, which researchers described as ultra-thin tubes filled with ancient vacuum created in the early universe, can coil into galactic-sized, vibrating loops that emit gravitational waves as they decay into oblivion

“Sensing these vibrations would add the soundtrack to the beautiful imagery of astronomy that we are used to seeing,” Hogan said. “All this time, we have been watching a silent movie.”

#91 Re: Civilization and Culture » Expanding The Political Debate » 2007-01-16 06:49:11

Why not eliminate political parties altogether?
Forces people to consider issues directly instead of choosing sides.

Nice thought, and likely impossible.  People group together, schism/sect by nature ["birds of a feather"] -- particularly when ideals and results are at stake.  And ideals can widely differ, sometimes drastically.

Let me just say though that is feels fantastic to be back and involved here, I had a profile here a couple of years ago, "Nirgal82" I believe it was called (anyone remember me?  :? ).

Yep, that name rings a bell.  smile  Welcome back.

#92 Re: Not So Free Chat » U.S. air strikes in Somalia » 2007-01-13 15:42:22

I'm still trying to figure out how some Middle-Eastern-born Arabic (*) U.S. visa [expired] holder, who only wanted to learn how to fly a plane horizontally (didn't want to learn takeoff, landing or anything else), DIDN'T raise any red flags in the minds of the morons giving flying lessons...

...until after 9/11.  roll

Terrorists can come into Canada and down into the U.S.  But of course they can -- and do -- also come through our front door.  All the 9/11 hijackers were welcomed into the U.S. by us!

I can't condone "arming" the northern border for a couple of reasons (one being our Canadian friends don't deserve the insult).  Tighter controls at the major points of entry should be enough.

(*) Most of whom hate Israel and us for supporting Israel

#93 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » I don't know what to think about this » 2007-01-13 13:27:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8jy2bEt-M

Cogressman David Wu: "There are Klingons NOT Vulcans in the Whitehouse!"

I'm inclined to agree.  tongue

Klingons, ugh.  What is the attraction?  They're ugly, quarrelsome and smelly.  roll  Yes, doubtless they'd be right at home on Capitol Hill.  lol

I prefer Vulcans. 

Actually I prefer Star Wars to Star Trek, but now we're getting off-topic...

#94 Re: Not So Free Chat » U.S. air strikes in Somalia » 2007-01-13 07:31:31

Robert wrote:  Today's Winnipeg newspaper had pictures of the new Prowler UAV based out of Grand Forks, North Dakota. They're proceeding with arming the Canada-US border. (Shudder)

Yes, I noticed a similar headline.  I am stymied as to why there is a "need" to "secure" the northern border in that fashion.  neutral  Strict controls at major border crossings only should suffice, no?

I'm only 50 miles from Mexico [for the past 15 years], and thus a long way from Canada [though was born/raised/lived in Iowa & Nebraska until 1992]...but I've never known any trouble coming out of Canada with the exception of 2 or 3 suspected terrorists trying to cross over into the U.S.  All the 9/11 terrorists were IN the U.S. on visas (some expired) for years, we're still allowing Mid-East immigrants in.

Canada is so laid-back and calm compared to the U.S.  Being hypervigilant/suspicious about Canada seems patently absurd.   roll 

And it's home to Hayden Christensen and William Shatner...heck, I love Canada.  smile  Lol!

#96 Re: Human missions » What If we HAD to get to Mars on Short Notice » 2007-01-12 09:18:02

...at the rate things are progressing the past 30 years, I'd say if we had to get to Mars on short notice we'd be screwedroll

#98 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Singularity - Black Holes, Gamma Rays, Magnetars, etc » 2007-01-12 08:04:33

Sag A* has an "outburst":

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 … _echo.html

Our Galaxy's central supermassive black hole (3 million times the mass of Sol), which is 27,000 light years away.  They think it "ate" something comparable to the mass of Mercury.  Sag A* has an outburst aprox every 100 years.  Light from the most recent became detectable to us 60 years ago; this outburst is 1,000 times brighter and longer in duration than normal.

Sag A* is considered unusually faint.  They believe that's because our Galaxy is very old and most of its "feeding" is done.

Article also mentions quasars and how they differ.

#99 Re: Not So Free Chat » U.S. air strikes in Somalia » 2007-01-12 07:59:06

Rather than being any sort of "leader of the free world", the U.S. has allowed itself to fall to the level of a banana republic. American founding fathers used to read works by people like Plato and Democritus, they studied the legal system of ancient Rome. Now they're studying Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, and becoming them.

I find this excessive, Robert.  You're smarter than this. 

The Democrats won big time in the last election.  They're seeking to reverse a bad course, to fix/resolve issues.  The US public elected Democrats, thereby overthrowing a lot of Republicans.

Doesn't that give you hope?  Light at the end of the tunnel so to speak?  A positive outcome?

Can we give a bit of credit?  All is not lost.

And we both know Pres. Bush isn't going to be in office forever. 

Every entity (human, nation, whatever) goes through dark periods.  Unfortunately we've been through one.  4 years from now the situation could be entirely different (here's hoping).

#100 Re: Unmanned probes » New Horizons - mission to Pluto and the Kupier belt » 2007-01-11 17:10:52

Jupiter Encounter Begins - 9 Jan 2007

The New Horizons Jupiter encounter is under way! The spacecraft began collecting data on the Jovian system this week, starting with black-and-white images of the giant planet and an infrared look at the icy moon Callisto on Jan. 8.

These were the first of about 700 observations of Jupiter and its four largest moons planned from now until June. They include detailed scans of Jupiter's turbulent, stormy atmosphere and dynamic magnetic field, a peek into its faint ring system, maps of the composition and topography of the moons Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto, and a look at Io's volcanic activity. Also in the flight plan: the first-ever trip down the long "tail" of Jupiter's magnetic field, which extends tens of millions of miles beyond the planet.

The New Horizons mission operations team at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Laurel, Md., works closely with science operations team, based at Southwest Research Institute (SwRI) in Boulder, Colo., and mission scientists to plan, test and eventually send the observation commands to the spacecraft, which runs the sequences from memory in its onboard computers.

Data are stored on the spacecraft's recorders and sent back to Earth through NASA's Deep Space Network antennas. The newest images will be available on the New Horizons Web site next week.

"Our ground team has worked very hard to get to this point," says New Horizons Principal Investigator Alan Stern, of SwRI. "Now the curtain is rising on the next stage of Jupiter-system exploration. It's exciting!"

Closest approach to Jupiter comes Feb. 28, when the spacecraft zooms within 2.3 million kilometers (1.4 million miles). New Horizons uses Jupiter's gravity to speed toward its ultimate destination, Pluto.

Jupiter approach already and New Horizons is about to accelerate to ridiculous speed smile


Just now saw this information at spaceref.com.  YAY!  big_smile

Can't wait for feedback on the rings.  Io's volcanoes will be in the spotlight too.

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