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#77 Re: Unmanned probes » New/old animations uploaded » 2004-05-04 12:38:40

I fixed some animations of mine which were no more available for download due to my web-hosting service error (why didn't you tell me you were not able to see them?!?).
They are:

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … im-river-1

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … im-river-3

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … color-maxi

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … ance-81-93

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … Hills-anim sol 8-88 (color)


...just to have fan while waiting for new images.  :rant:

I hope these links work now  roll

Luca

#78 Re: Unmanned probes » From Fram to Endurance animation » 2004-05-04 12:03:19

The animation should be working, now.

Luca

#79 Re: Unmanned probes » From Fram to Endurance animation » 2004-05-04 01:35:47

link says: 'cannot find page' sad

For some strange reasons, if I overwrite an existing file in my webspace (I did it to upload an optimized version of the animation), the file becomes no more available. :rant:
I discovered it just now, but now I am at work, and the original animation file is at home, so you'll have to wait till 16:00 GMT to have the animation available again.  sad

Sorry for the incoveneince.

Luca

#80 Re: Unmanned probes » From Fram to Endurance animation » 2004-05-03 14:38:02

I'm bored by waiting for non-arriving new images roll, so I did a little (er... "little"... 3.4 MB...) new animation using old navcam images...

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … nce-NAVCAM

Have a good travel! smile

Luca

#81 Re: Unmanned probes » A puddle ? » 2004-05-03 14:26:19

Does anybody know if the rovers would be able to remote sense liquid water (brine, acid) or ice (snow) on the surface ?

I think that if we'll see a dark area in place of the "big puddle" in IR filtered images at any time of the day, we would be near sure it's ice.
BUT, if we'll not see a dark area, we will NOT be sure it is NOT ice, as it could be covered by dust warmed by sun...  ???

I don't know if the rover has an "ice-detector"... but it was sent there to look for water evidence, so it probably has it. Or was te mission objective just to look for evidence of PAST water?  ???

Luca

#83 Re: Unmanned probes » A puddle ? » 2004-05-02 07:29:38

I found the other components for puddle 3:

16:51 (same as bove post):
1P136103602EFF1500P2437L7M1-puddle3-color-16_51-t.jpg

13:02
1P136267051EFF1500P2437L7M1-puddle3-color13_02-t.jpg

Luca

#84 Re: Unmanned probes » A puddle ? » 2004-05-02 07:03:39

The 3rd paddle (too may images for jst one post):

Puddle 3:

Blue filter:
1P136103602EFF1500P2437L7M1.JPG

IR filter:
1P136103530EFF1500P2437R7M1.JPG

Color:

1P136103602EFF1500P2437L7M1-puddle3-color-16_51-t.jpg

Luca

#85 Re: Unmanned probes » A puddle ? » 2004-05-02 07:00:29

Puddles, springs or "coldspots"?!?
This site is even  more interesting than we expected: following "suggestion" by chaosman, I did some searches and experimentations with Opp's images. I found several images of "puddles", and I also noticed a strange thing: in IR version of images, they appear surrounded by a darker area, i.e. a colder area. So, are they just puddles, are they water springs, are they evidences of water coming from under the soil and freezing, or what?!?

I prepared some color version of the "puddles" I found: for two of them I was even able to build 2 color photo.

Puddle 1
Blue filter:
1P136080009EFF1500P2436L7M1.JPG

IR filter:
1P136079795EFF1500P2436R7M1.JPG

Color (L2-L4-L7):
10:28
1P136080009EFF1500P2436L7M1-puddle1b-color-10_28-t.jpg

  14:46
1P136184672EFF1500P2436L2M1-puddle1-color-14_46-t.jpg

Puddle2:

Blue filter:
1P136078336EFF1500P2434L7M1.JPG

IR filter:
1P136078261EFF1500P2434R7M1.JPG

Color:

10:01
1P136078336EFF1500P2434L7M1-puddle2b-color-10_01-t.jpg

14:22
1P136183189EFF1500P2434L7M1-puddle2-color-14_22-t.jpg


Zoom:
http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … jpg]Puddle 1  10:28

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … jpg]Puddle 1  14:46


http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … PG]puddle2 10:01

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … 14_22.jpg] Puddle 2  14:22



http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … 16_51.JPG] Puddle 3  16:51

Luca

#87 Re: Unmanned probes » Opportunity backshell?!? - again??? » 2004-05-02 04:26:02

Please compare these two images:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 9/feb/2004
(or http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1P1313 … l]original raw image)

and

http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1P1361 … 5/apr/2004

Are they the same thing?!? (Backshell & parachute)

Here it is a map of the area:

02_R1400021subanot_i.gif

(http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/09/]other maps)

Is there a method to know rover orientation and pancam orientation?

Luca

#88 Re: Unmanned probes » First view inside Endurance! - Wow... » 2004-05-01 08:38:40

I showed my wife the detailed picture of the interior of Endurance. She took one look at the bottom of the crater and said: "That's ice!"
    I said it was probably more likely to be sand dunes, judging by the shape, but she still maintains its dirty ice. Back in the seventies, she climbed Kilimanjaro on a 5-month trip through Africa (she was pretty fit at the time but it still nearly killed her! ). She says the ice near the mountain's summit took on similar wind-tortured shapes as it sublimed, ever so slowly, into the thin, cold, dry air.

    Now she's got me wondering! Who knows? Maybe she's right. Wouldn't that be a blast?!!
                                                        tongue   smile

I suppose we'll know it as soon as Opportunity will take a couple of snapshots with the color camera and with the spectrometer (if not too much dust covers the ice...).

Luca

#89 Re: Unmanned probes » Journey to Endurance » 2004-05-01 04:02:47

Animation fixed (there was one wrong frame), updated (also with a color frame now!) and optimized (no more headache! big_smile )
endurance-81-93-part-thumb.gif

http://jumpjack.altervista.org/immagini … f]Download 4 MB animation

Luca

#90 Re: Unmanned probes » Journey to Endurance » 2004-04-30 14:13:13

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 44L7M1.JPG

Is that layering I see at the top of this picture in Endurance?

Yes, but it's out of my animation angle of view: it's on the right side of Endurance.

Luca

#93 Re: Unmanned probes » Calculating images time - A spreadsheet file for easy calculations » 2004-04-30 03:17:17

A new version of the spreadsheet is online: now it shows detailed informations about image (rover, camera, position, command...), and it also allows determining corresponding Mars time of current Earth time.
It is also included a "handheld version": if you have a PDA capable of reading Excel files, you will be able to know current Mars time... at any time!  smile

Luca

#94 Re: Unmanned probes » Results of Spirit and Opportunity - a quick question for my astronomy paper » 2004-04-30 01:14:51

I wouldn't call it a flame, although I suppose it was a bit sharp. I'm not going to stop people from asking questions for their homework in these forums, and I don't want to discourage people from answering them if they want to. These are simply my personal views.

However, I do feel that there is a difference between asking a simple question like 'Can you tell me what science the rovers have produced?' and it being for a school paper. The difference is that you are supposed to research school papers largely independently, unless there's a good reason not to. Perhaps reading every press release is over the top, but there have been good stories about the rovers' discoveries on all sorts of news websites like the BBC, CNN, SpaceDaily, Scientific American and New Scientist. I

I think the WORST place to find scientific info in are mass-media! (Here in Italy, no news about rovers since a couple of months...). Especially because those "news" are always... old, and their writers suppose you already read all of their previous article since rovers arrived on Mars.

...but  I think we should stop with this discussion, we are going a lot off-topic: CAN ANYBODY FILL MY CHEMICAL/GEOLOGICAL GAP ABOUT ROVERS' DISCOVERIES, PLEASE, I repaeat?  smile

Luca

#97 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *6* - continue on from thread "5" » 2004-04-29 11:40:38

If only Spirit wasn't so in a hurry!   :rant: 
Look at what interesting layered little rock is there!  sad

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit … .JPG]image

Luca

#98 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *6* - continue on from thread "5" » 2004-04-29 11:17:38

And... what the hell is "L0" filter?!? I always thought they were L1-L7, with L1=empty filter!  :rant:

Oh, sh*t, it's a NAVcam, not PANcam, sorry...  smile

#99 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *6* - continue on from thread "5" » 2004-04-29 11:13:26

Double-strange photo:

2N136235088EFF3600P1828L0M1.JPG  http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2N1362 … .html]zoom

A strange moment to take a snapshot (dawn? sunset? it is the first time, I remember... or not?).
And... what the hell is "L0" filter?!? I always thought they were L1-L7, with L1=empty filter!  :rant:

Luca

#100 Re: Unmanned probes » Results of Spirit and Opportunity - a quick question for my astronomy paper » 2004-04-29 10:54:10

Adrian, I hope kids and teachers are that interested in Mars, and the rest of the Solar System, that they would post here.

Kids do have it easy when it comes to reports. I wish the Internet had been around when I did school reports, including college reports. We actually had to go(get out of the house) to libraries(Buildings with books- sort of like search engines) and look up books (big things made of paper with information and pictures- sort of like web pages). 

And we had to type them on these horrible machines called typewriters(looks like a keyboard merged with a printer). There was no such thing as Word. If you messed up and you were lucky, you could correct it with correction tape or whiteout. But don?t use whiteout while the paper is on the typewriter, or the teacher will have a fit. Then you had to line up the paper in the typewriter to correct the error.

I wouldn?t go back for anything. Give me Word and a Printer.

What a  fascinating time it was... roll  (Quite hard, but fascinating amyway...  smile  )

Luca

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