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Maybe I should break this down into more bit size bits, because I talking about creating both an economic, political, Constitution, transportation system and a city infrastructural system, the mining with farming and manufacturing systems.

So for the sake of the argument we will dispense economic, political-Constitutional system. We need to put it in place so we can finance our Martian City, but we use FDR and John F. Kennedy as our general model for how we intend to finance and use it as our general battle plan for building our city. I will have to give you some background information so that we will all be on the same page. FDR gave the Treasury Department the power to generate credit instead of going through the Federal Reserve System which is a private bank with government Charter to be the Central Bank of the United States. It was the use of this Federal Credit that FDR was able to rebuild American and also get us ready for World War II. Beside building dams and hydra-electric plans that electrified America, he was also using that credit to build factory for the war time economy and was turning those factory over to private individual to manage, so he created entire industries during the war time years. When they wanted to build a certain number of air craft, they picked a number like 10,000 and the number was so big they didn't think they could do it. We actually produced 15,000 air craft. Once they knew what the goal was, they could figure out what they needed to do to reach there goal. So Kennedy come along in this FDR tradition and he know the benefits of space. Contrary to most people understanding, Kennedy did not do this just as a "Cold War" stunt. He knew that we would have to develop new technologies and that there would be technological spin-off so he didn't just have a moon mission, he also had a Mars mission too, along with several other mission. You have benefit of having a unified excited population for a national goal along a technological advancing civilization that becoming more productive per man hour worked.

Is Kennedy right?

Well, for every one dollar that was invested in the Moon program, we got fourteen dollar back in business activities and technological spin-offs in the U.S. Economy.

Now keep in mind that we did not setup factories or mining colonies while we were there. If we would have continued the process, instead of backing away from further mission to the moon, building bases and/or city, factory, mining colonies would have been or the natural extension or benefit of going to the moon. Kennedy had a choice of either going to moon or Viet Nam. He choose the moon, it was only after he was assinated that his policies were reverse in part and we got Viet Nam too. He had an economic down turn in the U.S. economy too, so he choose the moon mission as his answer to the problem. The United States is again in economic problem, for the sake of our discussion the next President remembers Kennedy and his policies and say I can do that too. So he allocate one hundred billion of Treasury generated Note per year for every year for fifty year to finance the build of the Martian City. So we are dealing with four trillion dollars of Treasury Notes over forty year period to work with. So for the time being we will dispense we what it going to cost, government of Mars, Constitution or the economy and just deal with the Physical assets that need to be built to do the job.

The reason that the City on Mars of a hundred thousand people was picked was because it is just outside our technological capabilities and the current infrastructure that we have in place right now. Beside being an explorer, this City on Mars is intended to create new high paying jobs with technological spin-off that increase the productive capability of the average American and in so doing increase the GDP of the United States, which the rest of the world would also benefit from. We also knew that we would have to build two or three generation of next generation of Earth Shuttle and maybe two generation of Moon Shuttle and another two generation of Mars and another two to three generation of Deep Space space ships to get the job done as to the transportation system. If we are going to have over one hundred thousand people on Mars, we should also expect to have around two hundred Deep Space space ships of various designs for cargo ship, cruise ship, mining ship, etc. and so the government going to have to have a Write off system in place private individual that want to form those companies that can run those private business enterprise like they did in World War II for private factories. So we are going to have to revive the Kennedy tax credit system with a write off system so private businesses can buy the equipement to make our space economy work.

Is that any help to you?

You have to think on mutable level and from several generation of shuttle along with upgrades of one thing or another and how there going to affect what you what to do.This is just for the transportation system and we have not got to the city on Mars. But, your line of attack on this problem has to be down this line or you can not accomplish the mission set out before you.

Also for references, go to web site:

http://www.transhumanist.com/volume4/sp … /space.htm

Larry,

Don't get me wrong I'm interested in Mars too, but without getting control over the U.S. Government or some other major government, what your talking about doing is impossible.

On another forum I was suggesting that we build a city on Mars and do it in a forty to fifty year time frame, but it was based on having a Pro-Space President like Kennedy. It was based on Federalizing the Federal Reserve, re-arranging the tax code, have a government rite off system for private enterprises and massive government built structures and creating a Constitutional Martian Government of self rule. Any body that thinks they can do it without a major government backing them up is sadly mistaken.

Go to the web site below for more information and read it closely. If you really understand what he saying, then you will understand that without a major government backing this up, it not going to happen.

http://www.transhumanist.com/volume4/sp … /space.htm

Your talking about doing something that even the U.S. Government can’t do in it present form. So one of those other people on the forum said to me on that other Space forum, your talking about trillions of dollars to build that Mars City. And I said your right, it is going to cost trillion of dollars, that why only the government can do it.

That why you hear so many people that talk about private enterprise in space and about how good it would be and they have these Grandiose Plans of building hotel, generating power, mining, etc, don’t do any thing, they can’t fund it. That why the U.S. Government through NASA could go to the moon, but thirty years later, private enterprise hasn’t copied it. That why any serious private space venture is either a communication satellite or a NASA Contract that some private business got.

I'm sorry it that way, but it is that way and we can not change the rule to suit you because want to chang the rules.

Larry,