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Mad grad

Hope you had a good time and you enjoyed yourself.

What you didnae fins deep fried Mars bars.

Ach theyrse Sleekit you Ken.

There is one interesting fact that has been found out by the police. This is that 3 of the bombers had return tickets (these being the ones on the Tube trains) and that there bombs exploded exactly at the same time. Then there was the last who deliberatly set his bomb off a lot later than the others.

There is the possibility that three of the bombers did not believe they where to be suicide bombers at all. That they where deliberately misled into becoming the sacrificial bombers, it is also likely that though the security operation would have quickly caught up with them that they did not really understand this. And at least one of the bombers was considered to be "a bit slow" in the mental stakes.

So they where sociopaths who hated mainstream British society and its tolerance for all creeds but who came from a society where in the past racial incidents where common. But now as a society Britain is a lot more tolerant and for a long time I thought this was for the good. After the bombs though there has been a lot of talk as to where Britain should really stand in these circumstances and rascist incidents are definitly are on the up.

The incident with the children is one of the most horrific instances of the many in Iraq but it does seem to have been rather ignored or at least not too highlited in the west. This is not the case though in the middle east where it has been headline news for the last few nights. This one incident has dramatically reduced the support the insurgents had amongst mainstream Sunni in Iraq and Syria and Jordan. Sometimes the most horrible incidents happen and good things come out of it and I can only hope that this is one such incident, though I would not have wished it on anyone.

Well since the majority Sunni population did not exactly vote this left the minority Shi'te and Kurd in a lot stronger position inside the elected Iraqi goverment. Of course there own fault but somehow telling a people, "but you did not vote so the consequences are your own" does not exactly work too well does it.

Do you know the explosives made by the London bombers where from easy to access materials and formed TATP or Triacetone triperoxide. The UK has some of the most stringent anti explosives laws of any country and a long experience of there misuse, but modern chemicals and a bit of knowledge go far too far. And one other symptom of TATP is its lack of an odour (and detection) which is why the Shoe bomber tried to use it.

Heh, and here was me thinking it was a simple power grab they wanted more power and got it not to mention a profit motive. I could even go so far to ask about slaveowning, but....

(Of course I understand if anything is bound to get our American cousins riled up it would be that last statement, But hey I like being perverse sometimes and getting someone really angry often tells you more about that person than many reasonable questions.)

In Europe starting about the 1580s there became less and less tolerance of the various Christian faiths that where present. This period is called the religous wars and really culminated in the 30years war in what is now Germany. These wars killed more people than the 1st and 2nd world wars together.

It was the religous strife of the period that made more and more people emigrate to new lands like the USA and South Africa.

Does not seem that anyhting was sorted by the peace of Westphalia does it.

With that Budget, seriously ???

But a mass produced attachment could be made that would do the job at least for keeping the modules in the correct axis. It would also allow the "tug" to find the target easier.

One other thing is that as the ISS modules will require a support to hold them tight then use that to provide the hold and attachment for the altitude jets. It can also have a place for the "tug" to grapple without risking the reather fragile components.

And would it really be that difficult to make a frame that has the same points to hold the modules.

So if Griffin wants to get rid of the Shuttle Early but he needs it to get components to the ISS. And that the ISS components need a means to get maneuvered to the ISS.

Sounds like a space tug is needed does it not. How much would it cost to have one made and delivered and if it only needs to be fueled from the cheaper to launch DaStick would it not make economic sense.

But a caterpillar type bulldozer will actually be of very little practicle use on the Moon and possibly Mars. Its down to how the surfaces of the Moon and Mar are made up. In the Moons case where we have actually investigated it we found the Moon to be about 11 to 13cm of very loose powdery regolith and after that the regolith is extremely compacted. A Caterpillar type bulldozer relies on its weight to "bite" into the surface and to then push the "soil" out. This may be impossible so other methods have to be thought about. We have talked about this before but instead of posting a link I will recap.

1) We dont use a blade at all but use a rotating set of brushes under a robot and the material is then scoured out.

2) We use the time old method of a drag chain pulling a Blade designed to dig itself in by its shape.

3) We Drill into the regolith and core what we need out.

4) We can loosen the Regolith by either chemical explosives or a more interesting idea of blasting air down small drilled areas and shifting the regolith that way.

What is more important is that these above methods do not need heavy equipment to be sent and if weight is needed to put on these vehicles we can sinter some bricks and have them installed on a Moon robot.

But that is where you are wrong the idea is to increase capacity on the Moon and elsewhere to lead us to go to Mars. In space where conditions are so foreign we must be able to increase our capacity for doing while reducing cost. And if using telerobotics on the Moon does this then we must use them. But note the Moon is about as far as we can go with that particular technology to be useful in base infrastructure creation as we run up against the great laws of physics in communication delays.

srmeaney there is a large range of launchers that can currently deliver a cargo over a ton to the lunar region. For about $140 million you can get an Arianne V and its deleivery of 7.7tons.

And you are mistaken in that damaged robots cannot be repaired in situ or dragged back to a central repair station. I have said it before but if we can operate on a human being by telerobotic means and increasingly do so then we can work on a Robot. And most damage will be of a mechanical nature than something that requires extensive rebuilding.

This means that for the Moon and creation of base infrastructure there a tele-robotic rover using control from Earth is a possibility very efficient method of operation.

SO you admit it at long last. You and president Bush are on the same wavelength. It explains so much. It explains why you cant stand his policies they are so similar to your own thoughts.

For a quick guide to ETA

ETA is the prime terrorist organisation of the Basque people. The Basques live in the region named after them in spain and just across the frontier into France. They are a celtic race and have a culture more similar to Irelands than mainland spain. Actually the IRA and ETA have very close links.

ETA has trained a lot of its people in Libya and used to recieve a lot of money and equipment from the same source. There does not appear to be any real links with Al-Qhaeda but in that murky world......

Right im entering this conversation only for one reason I have been stabbed by a very disturbed individual with a fork.

The advantage for the DOE "phaser" as it is not a killing weapon but if for example you have an invasion on your nuclear site of protestors opposed to nuclear power (something that happens a lot) then to use this weapon would be considered a reasonable method. And in these days of political stunts like invading nuclear stations a good alternative to simply shooting them with lethal ammunition is always to be desired.

There is also the possibility of suicide by proxy. This is where an individual deliberatly puts himself in the way of a situation where lethal force will be used on him. This will give him the feeling that he will not actually commit suicide and he has let it be the decision of another usually a policeman. Any means that do not usually kill and allows us to disable someone who may not be a criminal just ill should allways be looked at. We are not animals, Human life is precious and only we have the capacity for mercy and compassion.

There are a lot of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia and this does indicate a couple of things.

1) The Saudi populace does not have the skill base to be able to function properly and to do the jobs that are required.

2) The Saudi goverment does not trust its own people