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wow, from your POV, i guess the discovery channel wouldnt exist anymore.  or national geographic, or the national geographic channel.  or the history channel.

gee, better call them up and tell them that they dont belong in business anymore!

i truly hope this leads to a new RLV, so our astronauts havent died for nothing.

how much of the science was lost?

i hope bush uses this to step up OSP development, and the nuclear initiative-we need to push to the future, not kill it.  if anything, this shows our need to advance, not recede.

hmmm, i would think that a speculative $5 billion 10 year network deal for mars footage wouldnt be impossible.  the advertising on each part of the mission could be tremendous as well.  theres a ton you could do, but ill check that site out.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nanotech-03f.html

this article shows great promise-maybe the results will help our friends over at highlift with their ribbon design! 

nanotech is really going to change everything in the industrial world.

well first of all you have to come up with a coherent explanation of the business, and why it will work.  theres a format for presentations of business plans by DECA, a nationwide business club for high school students in the USA. 

www.nydeca.org

go to competitive events and check out some of the business plan events, they have a format, which is pretty self-evident.

like i said, if youre talking about village elections, fine.  but this is hardly a democracy.  this kind of thing was done from the beginnings of traceable human history.  to say its a democratic movement is a bit of an overstatement, to say the least.

village leaders have been elected throughout time.  if you want to call this democracy, fine.  this went on under the taliban, but i would hardly have called afghanistan democratically moving.

maybe kids are looking at these elections, but they arent taught democracy in school.  the government regulates all education and press that they can.  they wouldnt allow it.

i dont know why reporters bother looking for first hand sources, they should just find a friend and a magazine that says so.

but to humor you:

China cracks down on protests

China squashes Tibetan religion

both sources from the new york times online.  i could easily get more from a very credible, and arguably even liberal source.

forget it.  its impossible with to argue with someone who is always right, no matter what the facts say.

oh dear.  i say i know, so i know, is your line.  thats like me saying that england is a dump, never having been there.  the change might come, but thats speculation.  i would trust someone who was born and raised in china over someone whos never been there.

the changes that are happening are economic.  they are moving to a free market, which has helped them tremendously.

however, you still keep coming back to the same point.  why does nasa have to make these promises?  in a country of freedoms, freedom in space would be self-evident!  they are bound by our constitution, and thus, they would have to grant us our natural rights.  china is bound by no such thing.  china violates business deals left and right.  they steal technology from companies they invite in.  they call it "innovation," but its really taking the technology from the companies, giving it to their own, and building it themselves.  what do you think they were doing with our spyplane?

and youre going to trust them to grant liberties to their subjects in space that they dont give their own people?  forget 50 years from now, because change aint happening in the next 5 to 10 years, at least the change you speak of.

nationalism and long term planning are not mutually exclusive.  i cant even begin to imagine this notion.  hitler was fiercely nationalistic, and he certainly had a long term plan.

what did i ever say about long and short term?

i guess my aunt, who lived in china for most of her life, knows less about china than your friend.  i see, forgive me.

like i was saying, oppression of freedoms on earth isnt likely to be reversed in space.  i really dont get why you cant connect one to the other.  they arent going to have some idealogical system in space when they themselves have tight reigns on liberties on earth.

and no, dont put words in my mouth.  i never said anybody is socially bankrupt.  fabrications dont help your argument.

the fact that they have one system on earth is a pretty good idea that they will continue that trend into space.  its very relevant.  i didnt hijack anything, you were the one who began this line of discussion.