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I think I see craters in the "ocean" of those pictures, cindy. I wish they were only methane droplets on the camera, but they look like craters to me.
I've seen elsewhere on the net, that the craters are thought to be image artifacts either in transmission or from the lens, and not actual craters. I think it would be worth waiting to see what the official line is going to be on those though.
Graeme
I saw this in some thread today about http://space.com/missionlaunches/mars_o … pportunity Spots Curious Object On Mars
NASA’s Opportunity Mars rover has come across an interesting object -- perhaps a meteorite sitting out in the open at Meridiani Planum. Initial data taken by the robot’s Mini-Thermal Emission Spectrometer (Mini-TES) is suggestive that the odd-looking “rock” is made of metal.
Sort of was my first impression as well when I saw the photo earlier today. Would sure love to have sample return capability right now with these rovers.
*They're calling it Heat]http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-mers-05f.html]"Heat Shield Rock." Yep, has a definite metallic "look" to it.
Lots of speculation. My bet would be local impact origin (not the other sources they're speculating about). ::shrugs::
Definitely is pitted.
Looking at the ground surrounding the rock I'd suggest that the rock was still hot when it came to rest - darkening to the surrounding area. Wild speculation of course
Graeme
Editorial http://www.bossierpress.com/index.php?o … Itemid=42] Spend the money here first by someone that does not know the value of the science that will be returned IMO.
Sounds like someone with a gripe against the space industry in general to me, they've just picked Deep Impact to shout off about - when you read the article they could just have put any space mission title in (I'm half convinced thats what they've done anyway).
The trouble being of course that the more people that get articles such as that into print, the more the general public will start believing it, thats why we need people to give space a positive spin to counter the doubters.
Graeme
[quote=Shaun Barrett,Jan. 16 2005, 19:26 Sunspot 720's sure putting on a performance. Maybe 20 times Earth's diameter now(?)!
*Glad you enjoyed that. As for 'Spot 720, they're still referring to it as "Jupiter-sized" and no reference to it having gotten much larger since yesterday.
Excellent picture on Spaceweather.com by Jan Koeman, from the Netherlands of a plane passing 'spot 720.
Now why do I miss shots like that?
Graeme
Again we se pictures of one dry planet, with some cracks on surface. No lakes no oceans. Pictures quality remind mi about Viking missions, I think my phone camera would do much better. Despite that many peoples talking about unreal images, I say look at Viking mission from 1974 and you will se also stones but better image quality. What is unreal if we can se stones and rocks on planet with solid surface. ESA again hiding pictures from public, can’t really understand why.
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Fair enough, send your phone camera to Titan, land it on the surface, then send more than 350 pictures back to Earth with it. Sometimes I think that if Huygens had landed next to an alien and photographed it, some people would still not be happy that it had only photographed one alien and the angle was poor, colour saturation was out, and the shutter speed should have been slower to give us a small apperture for better depth of field.....
We should not get complacent when we consider what is being achieved with these probes/rovers - sending an object millions of miles, to wake up after an extended journey, then collect and return data to Earth - there are many times we can say "its not rocket science you know..." but this isn't one of them
The two sound files I've heard from Huygens sent a tingle down my spine - if I'd never seen one image, that would have still put a smile on my face.
Graeme
Has anyone seen any updated images of this yet? I've been searching for ages and found nothing other than "it will hit by the 15th Jan '05..."
Graeme
I've stood at the scopes eyespiece at -10 deg C, but I think -33 deg C would put me off a bit to say the least. Its snow here at the moment, and if it gets to -33 I'm not going to even try to get to work.
Graeme
Yeah, I vote for "spoiled brat" too
I'd have to agree GCNR its "Waa Waa Waa I Want It NOW!"
Seriously though, if this thread was on a newsserver at least I'd have had chance to filter it out, the title for a start its not what you'd call well written (abusive and 2 spelling mistakes should probably give us a good idea as to the poster). Later contents of the thread could be considered racist, which is just poor form.
If people are just wanting pretty pictures to look at and make up theories about different shapes they can see in shadows, then there is no need to send probes at all - just stick an artist in a room for a few days and let them crack on. I'd rather see a few raw images to know that the camera was working and give them time to clean them properly, and we should remember that the mission was not just a disposable camera to Titan mission - but a science mission. Real science is not done by guessing then running with the first idea that comes to you, real science takes time.
Graeme
Errorist, have you ever BEEN to Europe? It's quite a modern place, I assure you.
We've even stopped selling our young for beer nowadays
I have lost all respect for esa. I won't even capitialize it anymore. JPL on the other hand is the best. I hope we don't ever use anything built by esa for our Mars missions of any kind. That would be disastrous.
What justification do you have for such a statement errorist? On some forums/newsgroups dropping in new posts with such contents would be considered trolling - either be prepared to back up statements with real evidence and well thought out theories or don't post them.
Graeme
As long as people claim Kyoto is just an underhand economical attack on some countries the idea behind it will not progress any further.
Just as you can say that with an every increasing population you can not keep down CO2 emissions, you could look at it from another angle and say that with more people the effectiveness of CO2 controls could be improved.
It's too easy to keep passing the buck, eventually it has to stop somewhere, if every country keeps going "you start".... "no, you start" we'll be able to see which model on global warming is correct.
Graeme
I doesn't matter. We can just wait for the next global extinction to occur and then start over again like Adam and Eve. But if just Adam and Steve survive its curtains.
Is this for real, or an attempt at sarcasm?
Just sit back, wait for extinction and start over?
(I won't even comment on the relevance of Adam and Eve, thats one hell of a gene pool to believe in).
Graeme
Gee,
I hope not after what what Mr.Don Yeomans said!
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Yes and you have subsequently posted the quote three times now - using the quote out of context is pretty bad form, and posting the same quote over and over could be classed as spamming.
Its a large jump from one person saying I don't know what to expect, to "DUCK!!!! IT'S GONNA HIT US!!!!"
Graeme
4 hours to go! Just wish I could have a descent party :band:
The good news about all the media coverage is that we'll get to see it on TV when the first results are in.
I feels like christmas all over again
Graeme
The least desirable outcome is blind acceptance of the unproven assertion that industrialized Western man is directly responsible for any climate change recorded and the instituting of policies whose effect has no bearing whatsoever on climate but economically destroys Western nations in general and the United States specifically.
Here is a http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … l]National Geographic link.
Let's forget about blame. Let's suppose its an entirely natural phenomenon. So what?
Suppose your apartment building is on fire. Do you say, "not my problem, I didn't start it?"
That is one of the problems with environmental issues, the idea that just because we did not directly cause it means it will not affect us in any way.
We know so little about the environment in reality that any theory at the moment could probably be made to fit the facts if you tried hard enough.
I'd rather take the stance that if we can prevent pollution as much as reasonably possible then we are already on the way to reducing global warming (if the theories are correct).
Graeme
A neat theory about the deep impact mission!
So this is another doom thread after the last one http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=639]LINK was locked due to the fact that we already have a good DI mission thread?
Graeme
I suppose any costume making a historical reference that could be deemed disrespectful to victims should get the same treatment? Imagine the outrage if he'd shown up in a cowboy hat.
The last time I was in a costume hire shop, you could hire Nazi uniforms, pirate costumes, cowboy outfits, KKK, grim reaper, the list goes on and on. It was bad form for him to wear the nazi uniform, sure, but I think the media as usual takes things was out of proportion. He's a young lad, that unlike me and the majority of others is making his mistakes in a very public stage - I'd have hated to make my mistakes in public like that, with every gaff photographed and plastered over the front of newspapers and on TV. You'd think he'd have a PA that would help prevent such public errors, but I don't think the lad should get so much stick for a mistake that many of us could have made.
As for Edward VIII and his abdication, it was a different time, a different era, he did what he thought was right for the crown. It does show though that people just love to point at the famous and pick faults, if he'd stayed and married, people would have been outraged and the status of the crown lessened, so he went, and people start on with conspiracies that his love life had nothing to do with him going - some times you just can't catch a break.
Graeme
http://www.bellatrixobservatory.org/pic … ]Bellatrix Observatory Picture of the week
The tail cuts through M45 - its another WOW image :band:
Will have to edit the link, after the week is up!
Graeme
Well, you learn something new every day so they say, and they're right http://www.schweich.com/sbdA.html#Para130]1st Result and very informative, though being a member of the IoP I'm more biased towards the following site http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/12/5/1]LINK for my info - its similar to one posted earlier.
*Shaun - The image you posted above to me does not show patterns created by differing types of sand, though I must confess until I saw this thread I'd not seen the image before, i'd almost think that the surface had been baked hard then cracked.
Graeme
Never heard of singing sand dunes before, looks like I've got some catching up to do.
Graeme - off to google singing sand....
We've been watching news of your horrendous flooding, Graeme, in places like Carlisle. What a cold wet mess it looked, with cars submerged to their roof lines and elderly folk being rescued from upstairs windows by Emergency Services personnel in boats! Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Hope everything's cleaned up soon.
The worst bit is (for me at least) on the saturday morning I was coming home from a night shift just after 6am. The route I normally take is over a bridge, as I got to the end of the bridge a van was parked up, the driver unable to get through the flood water. So I parked up nearby and thought I'd wade through the flood as my house was only a couple of miles away and the other roads were by then blocked.
I walked back across the bridge and stood next to the water I had no idea the extent of the flood in the dark with only a torch to see by but in the end I decided against the walk and looking at the pictures afterwards it was a good idea not to attempt it http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/im … l?45]IMAGE LINK
I did get the shakes afterwards when they said on the radio that the bridge may have moved due to the flood - and I was standing on it trying to pick a route.
Cowardice does have its rewards some times!
Graeme
Launch was spot on by the looks of it, now all we've got to do is sit back and wait until July. The mission was covered fairly well in some of the better UK newspapers, one mentioned the impact may be visible from Earth.
Graeme
Four days of local radio - arghhh!!!
Due to recent storms we spent just over four days without electricity - cooking over a coal fire is fun for about two seconds! You can cope with stuff like that, but why oh why does the loca radio think it has to announce the schools open/closed due to the storms every half hour (it takes nearly that long to list them all) - we just got power in time to watch Deep Impact take off, but I missed it (think it was the excitement of running round turning lights on and off )
Normal service will now be resumed I hope :blues:
Graeme
In order to give a thorough argument on the merit of saving Hubble I decided to do further research into adaptive optics (to increase my knowledge on the subject as its been a while since I looked at them). I wish people would give up to date information on science related web sites - one says that the biggest adaptive optics telescope is just under 5 meters in diameter, another states that one is 8 meters... the list goes on and on.
Maybe my google search phrase "adaptive optics ain't worth sh...." does not help
Does anyone have any uptodate info on adaptive optics or links to sites that does.
Graeme wanders off to look for a keyboard that has a 'w' you don't have to punch
Looks like New Mars might have started a slow winding down in activity.
While it used to be a case of "New Mars is still a young site", now the explanation for the low posting rate might be "New Mars is an ageing site"! (Or am I being premature in my judgment?)
???
Still, I suppose all good things must come to an end and New Mars is no different; nothing lasts forever, I guess
It's been slow over the Christmas/New Year period but I don't think it signifies the end of New Mars. Many forums/newsgroups have been quiet over this time. But the truth is many forums/newsgroups go through periods that are quieter than others, I don't think it means they are nearing their end.
Anyway if the discussion is good, does it matter? I'd rather see a good discussion with only a few posts than a poor discussion with hundreds of posts
Graeme
The photo got the "AWWWWWW Thats Cute" from my wife.
Graeme