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In reply to post #1904, there are several airports that have very long runways in the Western US; one which I am intimately familiar with is in Casper, Wyoming. Ii's around 11,000 feet long and was originally built by the US Army Air Corps during WW 2 for teaching rookie pilots to fly and operate both B 17 Flying Fortress bombers and B 24 Liberators. The only problem that I would see for using it to operate space planes is something known as "Density Altitude." During Summer months, it's difficult to get small and low powered aircraft airborne. The field is at 5,350 feet above MSL, and Summer temperatures can reach into the mid to high 90's. Density altitude is a function of temperature and extends the landing and takeoff performance of all aircraft, making the operating altitude something like 9,000 feet above MSL.
As an aside, Chuck Yeager trained there learning to fly the P 51 Mustang
I was up at 05:30 MDT and watched the entire flight.
But for those here who were still snug in their beds, I've subsequently watched several rehashes and selected one by Scott Manley to post here. NO annoying AI voices!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysx4t7ICO58
Enjoy! I finally am feeling confident that we may reach Mars in my lifetime!
For all to verify that the nozzle of one of the SRBs failed, check at 06:39 minutes of this video by Scott Manley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHg-PPUZnk
There was a "nominally successful" launch of the Vulcan rocket--in spite of an anomaly with one of the SRBs--which lost a nozzle before burnout.
I truly hope the US Space Force awards all 4 of these Polaris Dawn Astronauts the Astronaut Wings. To not do so would be very unprofessional.
Here's a link to a debrief of the 4 Polaris Dawn astronauts with an actual live commentator. Some good questions and even better and very detailed answers.
SpaceNut,
My sincere condolences for your loss of your wife. I know what you are feeling, as I lost mine 7 years ago and it still seems like yesterday.
I've seen several comments online (YouTube), that NASA is now regretting their decision to NOT allow Jared Isaacman and a crew to repair the Hubble Space Telescope AT HIS EXPENSE!!
I'm certain that "Rook" Isaacman and Scott "Kidd" Poteet would be capable of doing the increase in orbit to extend the life of Hubble by another 10 years, and do repairs with a couple of NASA engineers riding along to service/replace the ailing gyros. This sounds like an opportunity to save some taxpayer money and extend the service life of a National Treasure.
Kudos to Isaacman, Poteet, Gillis, and Menon for their stellar efforts in service to the spacefaring community and the USA.
The surface of the moon and Mars are almost entirely rough field environments with questionable load bearing capacity, even for small probes, and large swaths of the surface are mixed debris fields filled with small and large rocks capable of toppling a tall lander quite easily. In addition to propulsive landing, we need geometrically-compatible landers with low-CGs and wide landing gear tracks to provide high stability, even if a very off-nominal landing is made. The Apollo LEM filled that requirement, whereas none of the modern lander concepts appear compatible with the environments they're expected to operate in.
This problem has been discussed almost endlessly by various members of this forum, but with the greatest clarity by GW Johnson. That's painfully obvious to anyone who has had a sophomore course in Statics and a course in Soil Mechanics. One of the next experiments that SpaceX should be doing is trying to land a starship in a dirt field!!
Although Elon Musk calls himself "Chief Engineer," the power behind the throne, so to speak, is Gwynne Shotwell who IS an engineer. Don't overlook Kathy Lueders, either. Elon is more the captain of the ship who has a sailing master and navigator directly at hand. He is kinda like an old time shipping magnate who could call himself the Commodore" of the fleet, but who left sailing the ships to others. He makes the big decisions based on his level of expertise, and encourages others to excel.
This is strictly my personal "take" on SpaceX. Sure, critics can all point out his failings, but that only makes the accomplishments more admirable. A late uncle of mine worked for McDonnell Aircraft as a senior engineer back in the 1950's through their acquisition of Douglas Aircraft, and commented that JS McDonnell would come prowling through the departments in the evenings checking up on progress of projects all the time. (His project was the reentry heat shield for the Gemini orbital vehicle). But again, old McDonnell WAS an engineer!
Thanking GW for spelling it out so clearly! I agree that the managerial class at NASA is pushing the Boeing button the hardest, but they really need to listen to the engineers this time. Loss of any more astronauts would be devastating to our space program. The Starliner has been a fiasco, and there is Dreamchaser waiting in the wings. Even Northrup-Grumman has now had a hiccup.
SPACE IS HARD!!
Either way, Boeing is "toast." Loss of a crew or loss of reputation? Take your pick!
GW has summed it up nicely in post #13!
The only other "pioneer" out there doing ANYTHING is Jarrod Isaacman by funding his Polaris Dawn series of missions, first to do a civilian spacewalk and visit the fringes of the Van Allen belts. This has at least caused some research and extensive development of new space suits. Isaacman has also offered to boost the orbit of the Hubble Space Telescope AT HIS OWN EXPENSE, but NASA has declined his offer of probably a $200 million mission.
With both Boeing and NASA engaged in mutual hand-wringing over this increasingly embarrassing situation, it is now time to do what the high salaried boys are paid to do: MAKE A DECISION AND ACT ON IT! It's costing Boeing millions a day supporting the standby infrastructure, and making them look like incompetent fools.
I watched this video on YouTube yesterday and posted it elsewhere but it didn't seem to evoke a response given the status of the Boeing Starliner with two highly "at risk" astronauts aboard--now stranded on the iSS--I felt this was a very important program!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPs19M2 … WL&index=5
I think that a viewing and a response from the more engineering types here would be "interesting!"
GW-
My first flight in my Dakota was memorable after I took delivery in Murieta, CA in 2011. I was a certificated Private Pilot, but didn't have my high performance endorsement yet, so the seller arranged for an Airline pilot to pick up some cash and a free ride back from Casper (KCPR) at my expense. We had an very early departure planned and the visibility was strictly IFR departure, so I got some real instrument time as a result. I already was partway through an instrument rating and had about 20 hours of hood time, so the ALP called and got a departure clearance for our departure. I took off and managed a really nice takeoff under zero visibility conditions and simply followed his directions regards altitude rate of climb, and heading. What a cool experience to break through to VFR "on top," and fly towards the Sierras at 11,500 feet. The cloud cover cleared and we flew directly over Big Bear Lake, and using a combination of VOR Nav and my partner's Garmin tablet GPS system, skirted Las Vegas. We did my first landing at Bryce Canyon, after flying over Zion NP at 9500 feet.
The the real fun began as we flew over Dinosaur National Monument and picked up a powerful tailwind we had a ground speed of 209 kts with an airspeed of 142 kts, according to the ASI! What a thrilling ride for my first time in my very own bird!
GW- Thanks for the wonderful history lesson that you shared about your Dad at LTV. The F-8 was a wonderful design and became a fearsome MiG killer.
I can empathize with you about selling your bird, and I finally sold mine in 2019 after having a mild heart attack in June of 2018. Mine was a PA28-235 Dakota, complete with a Garmin 530W navigation and flight control system. It was fully IFR certified at the time I sold it.
This delay gives them more time to come up with a rationale to sell if the return of Starliner manages to kill Butch and Sunni. I just watched an interesting and highly detailed plan for having a standby rescue vehicle available to rescue the entire crew of the ISS
IMHO, this is a more than dangerous situation; cannot be tolerated by NASA, and no amount of procrastination about the safety of the astronauts can be tolerated. Send SpaceX Dragon on a rescue mission and then see if the Starliner re-enters safely on it's own. NASA is responsible this time, as they were cautioned by Boeing that the problem exists.
NASA is skating on very thin ice!!
Here's the available video of the landing of super heavy.
My grades for the hardware: Atlas V; A+ for ULA. Starliner; C+. (Only because they were able to successfully dock and keep the crew alive!); Boeing managed to barely squeak by on this, and their vehicle shouldn't become "man rated," until the issue with the thrusters is addressed.
I personally wouldn't wanna ride in this capsule, but would jump at a ride in Dragon.
I'm wondering whether or not they had any video recording from Starbase of the booster reentry and splashdown--or drone recordings? That would have been something that they should have done.
My 2 cents about the next test flight: continue working on the engines and ensure that they are 100% reliable; achieve orbit and do a reentry burn; improve the thermal protection in the hinges.
Overall, this was a fantastic performance and a magnificent feat of engineering.
Kudos to the entire SpaceX team!
A very successful launch and water landing of the Super Heavy booster!
Here's the video from Everyday Astronaut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VESowgMbjA
The FAA license has been approved and the launch of IFT-4 is "go." Tomorrow, and is available for viewing on lots of YouTube channels--too many to list here. The SpaceX livestream is only on X.
Finally!! After a series of delays, Starliner was finally sent into orbit by the reliable Atlas V rocket and is on it's way to the ISS. I watched the liftoff on Tim Dodd's Everyday Astronaut channel, which is really a no BS approach.