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Dr. Zubrin,

- Would you entertain the excess of "call for papers" for submission into the Mars Quarterly?

- Could members of the Steering Committee step into the lime light and give us press?

- Why is the "Humans to Mars" Summit so apartheid to over shadow The Mars Society?

- Could we push a promotional of having the Cast of Big Bang Theory, in simulation at MDRS?

- Would you allow Members and Non-Members to donate Devices & Equipment for our Analog Stations?

- Can we hold a new "Design Contest" for a working design of "Dragon Very Direct"?

Dave

You made me watch the movie again.  lol

Now, if only the MDRS peeple can stop hoarding their mapping & Mission Info and
present their findings to the world.
Or, is this the way it's going to be on mars?

Understood Rob,
   "Mars Direct Inside Red Dragon" is the main theme.

Scaled Down Versions of EVERYTHING, Onboard - to Test, EVERYTHING.

The Mission Duration equal to Mars Direct - OR - Venus assist in 2/3's the time ( roughly-ish )

This is presented with all due reverence, therefore abate your derisive remarks.

Last year - I'd sent this to "the Call for Papers" people with a left-for-dead response.
Seen here, is my "call for papers - to be presented on their behalf" because I am indigent.
This is written from observations and a willing spirit.
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20th Annual International Mars Society Convention (2017)                                         
    Call for Papers  ( submission )
FORWARD
Abs_01 - Directly Reviewing the SemiDirect
Abs_02 - Cooperative of the Affiliates
Abs_03 - Media
Abs_04 - Analogue Station(s)
EPILOGUE
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FORWARD
  This is the most difficult communication to ever convey in my life time.
The audience carries more prerogatives than grains of sand of all beaches on Earth.

Unable to attend the Convention, please use on your behalf.
This is what I see lacking from The Mars Society's Education, Outreach, and Analogs.

The goal of these papers is to convey agreeable ideas to a willing audience, of things that are
"reasonably do-able".  (These are not “my way” but, the way, under the circumstances)

My mindset of preparing for, and going to the planet Mars, is with the same excitement,
fear, and anticipation as living the young boy's dreams.
Therefore, indulge my views with an open mind, innocence, and respect.

“…We Are Going To Mars To Colonize…”
The only hope in view of Extinction-Event Integrity (E2I)

These Papers cover subjects that can heighten success of The Society by accelerating interests in;
Education (Charter Schools)  --  Hobby Consortiums (Makerspaces)  --  Aerospace Affiliates (Outreach)  --
Mapping (ESRI / Analytical Graphics)  --  Communications (both Commercial & Amateur Radio)

The simplest and safest way to usher the success of humans on Mars, is to
have one woman and then, one man step foot onto that surface – in that order.
(that ought to clear up prerogatives and ego)

Apologizes for my lack of attendance, and impressive credentials.
If your “policy” restricts you from presenting this on your behalf,
then hand it over to Mike Stoltz for the next Mars Society Quarterly.
Or, to Shannon Rupert for possible improvements for the MDRS Station.
Regardless.... use this for the betterment of The Mars Society.
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Abstract 01 - Directly Reviewing the SemiDirect
1.On Orbit Assembly…2 Sections in Orbit …Joined for GO…..then GO. Please.
2.The 3rd Stage of each launching is precious, and not to be discarded, ever.
  This stage is NOT to be wasted….it is used as the gravity-counter-weight FOR THE RETURN TRIP
  (which was never mentioned).
3.The Parachute to slow the ERV/HAB – use it for something…. anything.
4.ANY disconnected Heat Shields – recover and use its components (useful for something)
5.Use Phobos for a “Parking Station” (at least, put the 3rd Stages there).
6.The Tether Cable – always know where that is… never lose it…ever.
7.(2) Space Trucks – Two permanent Tugs… one for the Moon, one for Mars.
  Regardless of the Hermes seen, from The Martian.
  In any emergency, one can be backup for the other (cost-effectively simple).
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Abstract 02 - Cooperative of Affiliates
It’s in the Title….……Cooperative,
In our bidding to achieve a place on mars, the combined effort of humanity has been plagued
with a cacophony of competitive, savvy, executive jargon, enforced by social media.

It is not beyond the reach of Corporations to host an Outreach Program for Off-World Possibilities.
A Marketing Team needs only "the Vision" of applying their product on mars to make their
company stand out as diversified leader of Industry.

EDUCATION
The current trending of teaching “science & technology” in the school systems is just that, a trend.
I’ll be succinct and put this in a nutshell…..
“…the global education system would evolve if, and only if…
the workings of the Antikythera Mechanism were taught in all levels of all schools….”
( antikythera mechanism circa: 2200 years ago by Archimedes )

MAKER_MARS
  This is a coined phrase to put marriage of Mars Society and a Nation Wide Consortium
of Hobbyists whose talents and resources are rapid, frugal, and unmatched by any R & D Affiliate,
for the sake of prototyping through…. The MakerSpace.
This arena covers all patrons – all ages, whose fervor is the mother of invention.

Currently, the American DARPA Administration is hosting a “Space Gambit” program.
Whose limits are to Private Industry and “Select” Hackerspaces.
A “Maker_Mars” program would be unlimited and involving more than tens of thousands.
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Abstract 03 - Media
“A Cacophony of Divergence” is a good description of the internet’s Social Media.
Current trends of social media dictates the popularity of commercial, private, and personal Business.
It can also deter progress when too much intellectualism is employed.

The speed of our Media is transacted at the rate of attention span.
In a nutshell – your plan can only be popular in direct proportion of the populous who can remember you.
Currently, most trends are seen through the eyes of a killer app, at the speed of blink.

Andy Warhol once said: “in the future, everyone on earth will have 15 minutes of fame”
Nowadays, even 15 seconds is too long.

This abstract addresses questions to ponder on, if for a few moments longer.
These are the questions to openly ask at your Convention:
- Would patrons like the Mars Society to feature weekly Podcasts or YouTube Reports?
- Can ALL MDRS/FMARS Crew Reports be on one Video Channel, and not scattered?
- Would The Mars Society entertain more exposure on the TMRO YouTube Channel?
- Can the MDRS Crews stick to English Language? Which is common on World Amateur Radio?
- MDRS Teams – Can 2 of the 6 be licensed Amateur radio Operators?
- Could there be a Mission Control that goes public in the tradition of Apollo?
- Can TMS PR instruct the news media to show the analogues as serious and not fun filled? (HBO)
- Is TED Talks more education, rather than just entertainment that’s forgotten? (Ben Bratton)
- Has SEDS, or even Mensa, placed foot forward to the leanest solutions?
- Will TANG Instant Breakfast Drink ever be used at the Analogues?
- Can each MDRS Crew physically compile a written Mission Report, instead of a Flickr account?
- Would you entertain a Helium Assisted UAV for Geodesic Operations?
- Involve MakerSpaces for “making” a 4 person Rover or, remote FPV Rovers?
- Can ALL Analogues on Earth communicate together with Radio?
- Will there be more MDRS/FMARS Medics who specialize in Remote Monitoring?
- Can the Olivine of the Martian Sand Dunes be used for 3D Print techniques?
- Will more Corporates’ invest increased Outreach Programmes to the Mars Society?
- Are there Food Companies who wish to test their products at the Analogues?
- Can MDRS Crew EVA Suits be fitted with Peltier Cells for Power Generation?
- Would SpaceX usher a Sample return Mission to fully test Mars Direct Hardware?   

Questions that can be presented to, your Staff or media, for answers.
These are just a few things that pop to mind, but are never spoken of.

I see hundreds of podcasts failing because they lack “consistence” or, “to be seen on a regular basis”
And then, there are YouTube videos that can be seen or downloaded at the desire of our viewers.

A podcast or vidcast “scheduled” on a weekly basis would be remembered longer.
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Abstract_04 - The Analogue Station(s)
Habitats & Communications
Imagine the excitement of citizens listening to daily or weekly broadcasts
from the Crew of the Mars Desert Research Station or Flash-Line, the same way we had
with the Apollo Missions.

In view of funding – the use of Amateur Radio can aid in reduced costs in order
for the Crews’ to get busy right now – on using the communications that are
vital right now, and not assumed later.

Analogue training - DOES NOT MEAN ISOLATION. "Train as if you mean it."
(this is not space camp - there are no “time outs” – because, one mistake ends a human life)
A Team of People on another Planet, are an extension from THIS Planet.
Therefore: communicate ……Therefore - be better than Mark Watney.
Convey your communications as if your life depends on it.
      (not a twitter blog perceived by our Snowflake Generation)

Rovers – UAVs
Would these Analogue Stations entertain the use of a Permanent Based Rover that
can actually use Methane as its Fuel and, heating of the MDRS, using LP Gas techniques.

Remote Piloted Rovers equipped with Ground Penetrating Radar for a 3D Tomographic Picture
of the surroundings.
Deployed for determining the integrity of the soils several hundred feet
beneath, which can also aid in determining integrity of Lava Tubes for Habitats.

Remote Telemetry
Every possible device that serves both survival and data gathering centers around the Habitat.
Communications for Telemetry and Line-of-Sight Comms can not and will not be underestimated.
These remote sensor devices are common place on Earth but little regarded for Analogue Stations.

Mars currently does not have a GPS System for immediate position reporting for Ground Crews.
On Earth, the Military uses the Enhanced Position Location Reporting System (EPLRS - Raytheon).
That system works quite well here on Earth – I’m certain it can work just as effectively on Mars.
Again, simple means & solutions without having to re-invent an acronym.

Tools of the Trade
This is where affiliation with Industry has been lacking and would improve
their "marketing stratagems" on a global effort rather than "vertical market leader of individuality".
- VoxelJet Company ( 3D Sand Printers. A perfect candidate for using the Martian Sand Dunes)
- GSSI ( Magnetometers to Deep Planetary Visuals... Lava Tubes?)
- UNAVCO.ORG  -  Interpreters of planetary dynamics.
- NAIF Cosmographia – Mission Planning Visualizer.
- Raytheon ( EPLRS System) and State of the Art Landing Guidance )
- AGI Satellite Toolkit – Situation Awareness / Orbit Determination.
- ESRI (Environmental Systems Research Institute) ArcGIS Mapping.
- Geometrics ( 3D Sub-Surface Geodesic Visualizing )
THERE ARE MANY MORE - It Simply Requires Your Imagination for Reaching Out.
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EPILOGUE
Our current political trends purport a cock-of-the-walk spectacle of a “technology circus”.
Lateral thunking - to the design of Satellites, Probes & Landers are clouded by administrative turmoil where,
by the time a probe arrives at Mars, a newer state-or-the-art technique has presented itself on our planet.
(  a Von Neumann Universal Constructor approach is not exercised enough  -  WORK SMARTER, NOT HARDER )

This includes the approach to “Cube Sats” and combining multi-functioned State-of-the-Art Series Rovers.
ON THE GROUND - NOT ORBITING
And thus, reduce the orbiting objects that would otherwise feed the equation of Kessler’s Syndrome.

If a MIRV Multi-head Missile is so cost-effectively clever then, can we use the same techniques to
deploy multiple cube-sized Sensors over a wide area of Mars to derive high  resolution results?

An Important Request….
The Documentary: The Mars Underground spelled out all the reasons and the definitive ways to get to Mars.
No other documentary has challenged this straight forward simplicity of the “Direct” or “SemiDirect” Plans
Please air this after every Opening Ceremony of the International Mars Society Convention. Please.
( It would relieve the pressure of insolent "Millennial Inquiries" amongst the social media )

Of course, everything has costs. And, MakerSpaces are clever with frugality.
Also, the use of Amateur Radio can not be said enough owing to the wide range of applications to
compliment missions. Every scrap of spectrum can be easily entertained.
These two arenas could evoke a wide curriculum of work groups…. thus: Maker_Mars.

Again, my apologizes for lack of attendance, and impressive credentials.
These are for your consideration
Doctor Zubrin  -  Take these papers as you will.

David A. Duca     (KA9JSV)

Truly wish all of this could be answered on a Red Planet Radio Program.
Bill Hargenrader would entertain a QUARTERLY UPDATE with Robert Zubrin, yeah?

Understood, Dr. Zubrin has a tentative agenda.
But, it would be nice to hear a current podcast - on a consistent & regular basis - from the source website.

Even, podcasts from the ANALOGS would be welcome.

Bill has been doing a wonderful effort keeping Red Planet Radio alive.

MDRS Engineers' are difficult to contact.
None have replied to my questions.
               That is sad.
This subject would make an excellent "Call for Papers" at their next Convention.

DOCTOR ZUBRIN SAYS "TO USE OUR CURRENT EXISTING TECHNOLOGY".

mariusz... I will email you

Yes Nut, exactly !
A  Propane Engine tweaked out for Methane - there we go.

If I had one handy, would send it - free of charge.
... just to see how the Team would evolve.
  ( emphasis on: evolve )

Take a 4-Seater Golf Cart and trick it out for "simulated pressurized rover"
Yet, another easy task for a Maker Space.

I was more on about the Annual U.R.C. at the MDRS.

To "Up The Stakes" and give the Winner, the option to have their Rover at the Station
for a complete year.

The MDRS DOES NOT have a  Full Size Remote Rover Permanently Stationed ( the remote controlled typed )

So - we do the next-best-thing....
Make use of a larger fully featured rover TO PERFORM GEODESIC RUNS

Those Complete-Full-Sized-Pressurized ones you're shown, probably belong on the other thread.
"Rover Projects for Mars"   yeah?

Excellent Posting Louis....
  You presented many ideals WITHOUT ANY QUESTION.       ( I like that - positive progress - thank you )

youtube_dot_com/watch?v=U1vbAuX1g9w
      The link here is to remind people of what the premise of Mars Direct is all about.
( search up - "The Mars Underground"    circa: 2005 or, 2007 or, 2011 - take your pick )

If people do not, or refuse to see this, then their afterthoughts of Thinkie-Think enters the forum.

Let's start with the ISRU... repeat: I S R U
Route the ISRU Plant's Fuel & O2 to run an actual engine that actually turns a generator to higher power output.

Then, apply the techniques of Von Neumann's Universal Constructor (circa: 1940) and implement
the Sand Dune / Adhesive methods of 3D printing ( just like Voxeljet dot com )

This is an excellent start Louis!

And, I wish more people would watch "The Mars Underground".

Let me say that again  ---  THE MARS UNDERGROUND

nasa's Clever Social Media Exceeded the "What To Do" purpose on another world.

Our evolved species can not shake off the primeval instincts
of sexual fight-flight - as proven several times daily on our precious media.

If people are confined within spaces of "controlled control"... death will follow.

This has been a waste of time, just to re-discover psychological-isolationism.
Emphasis on" "re-discover"

Humans' better be better than Mark Watney and keep busy staying on mission.

Where's James S. Martin Jr. when we need him.
God, I miss him.

SUDDENLY  --  TWELVE YEARS LATER

The Parallax Website has evolved into a googooplex of possibilities.
Excellent !

I've been craving to make a Rover and just give it the MDRS so they can
use it for a long-term Geodesic Survey with ground penetrating radar.

Frugality can also defy cost with the use of old mobility chair components
MAKER SPACES and Classified Ads are good sources.

We want good, time-proven hardware with State-of-the-Art "remote-ware".
Parallax, Hobby King, Servo City, and several dozen other vendors have
an almost intoxicating selection.

RF Remote Controls - Telemetry - FPV with On Screen Display - is seriously State Of The Art !