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What I was thinking for the roads would involve a team of robots that would go first remove any small to medium debris. The larger debris would then be removed by using the four robots to collectively move the larger debris. After this has been accomplished the robots would then have their blades removed and heavy packer drums installed. These drums would be solid steel and weight around 400 lbs each. The robots would then pack the surface down until it was flat. If a storm were to tear the roadway up the robots would be redeployed ,fix the damage and then return to their storage bay.

The roads on Mars wouldn't be paved like they are here on Earth, there wouldn't be a need to pave them.

This is what is needed:

A robot that can employ a blade to push the smaller debris out of the way.
A robot that can empoy a roller of 400 lbs
The above system must be interchangeable

The robot must have a robotic arm to aid in the removal of debris

Please submit all ideas here or send them to me at dryson@hotmail.com

Those are all very good ideas, but we have to clear the roadway surface before laying any raillines. What are some ideas to remove the rocks and boulders out of the way? Is there a way to then pack down the surface to make the road a hard enough surface to easily run at around 40 mph on?

Terraformer posted this : Has anyone considered a vehicle that would glassify the Martian surface? It could first be sent as a probe and would build roads and a landing strip for the astronouts. It could be sent to sites of interest and the crew could just drive along the road. If it isn't to slippy.

Well Terraformer I would suggest designing a robotic package of maybe four robots that would employ a blade type system to move the smaller rubble out of the way. For larger objects of maybe 200 lbs or larger we would for the time being have to go around them, unless a way could be found to use the four robots to move the rock out of the way.

A team should be comprised to decide where a suitable base would be at.
Why is this area to be used as a base? (this should be based on what we want the naughts to accomplish, survey of a particular area, esatblishing a base of operations, or drilling beneath the surface.)

Once decided maps of the area which can be obtained via nasa should be looked at to determine where the least amount of large objects are located and where the easiest places for roads to built would be located at.
Get back to either Dragoneye or Myself with this information.

Oaky lets slow do and start doing the number crunching on the rover.

First we will need to know the weight of each major component.

major components would be:

1.The engine block
2.Axles and Tires (would also include shocks, struts or other cushioning 
  system)
2a.For the shock absorbtion system I have a theoretical design   
   that uses magnets. That can be  discussed later on if warranted.
3.The structural tubing (interior frame)
4.Hull plating (exterior covering)
4a. The mathametical calculations will be failry easy once a 
   determination has been made on how thick the tubing and hull will be 
   along with the length of each individual tubing and what each hull 
   plating will be.

secondary components would be:

1.Crew compartment - To make life simpler, the design I suggest using
  is the the new Orion model [url]
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/const … rion_contr
  act_images.html[/url]. This model when reconfigured to accomodate four
  naughts instead of six would make one of the most important parts of the rover complete without having to even brainstorm to much.
2. EVA suit up area - If we look at the foreward section of the Orion we
  can see the EVA hatch. A similiar set-up would be used for this design
  since the design has already been proven to work and not much re-
  work would be involved in placing it in another location.

tertiary components would be:

1.Life system system including computer operating systems and
   ventilation (circulation to keep the atmosphere fresh and not stale)

2.Comm system including wiring paths and antenneas

3.Waste management system for a three day venture ( I would just step
   outside and go, but this system wouldnt be very applicable for the
   female naught as there are not any bushes. anyway)

This should maybe take a year or so to complete once we sit down and
start compiling the data.

I have starter another post called ROVER LAUNCH VEHICLE.

This post will be in conjuction with the Rover Vehicle.

Why not make the whole frame one alloy?
Aluminum for the inside and  a titanium hull?

This type of structural design would increase the overall speed to around 40 MPH. The steel would add considerable weight to the overall structure.

Here's a thought as well. Instead of wantiing the vehicle to get there faster, add the trailer to the vehicle, the items that would have been stored in the vehicle which are now being towed would free up that amount of space in the vehicle. This added space could be used for a place for one of the astronaughts to sleep on while the one drives. That way the journey could run non-stop from point A to point B.

Why wouldn't you want to get out and walk on the surface of Mars? Thats part of the reason for being there. To sit in the crew cab and let a robotic arm do the job would be defeating the purpose of being there in the first palce.

Now Im not trying to put down your idea dragoneye I,m just  trying take what you have designed and twist it this way or that to possibly see a new approach to what you have desinged.

Please continue.

The current composition of the Martian atmosphere is:

CO2: 95.32%

Nitrogen: 2.7%

Argon: 1.6%

O2: 0.13%

CO: 0.07%

H2O: 0.03%

neon, krypton, xenon, ozone, methane: Trace

Then this means that there shouldnt be any flash explosions from the drilling process. What about possible underground gas pockets though. If Mars doesn't have any underground pockets of these gases then Mars would be like the Moon or an asteroid.[/quote]

Design re-vamp 1.

1a.What about cutting off the portion behind the driver and a-driver section? This would leave this area open for easier access but would still afford the astronaughts with more then enough protection from sand storms.

1b.Instal skirting that can be folded up and down. A good example can be seen by looking at the Sherman tanks from WW II that had water skirting attached to it and then pulled up around the commanders cupola.

This type of skirting would obviously need to be very durable possibly made from aluminum or maybe .125" thick of titaninum but would still need to be able to be ran on a rail system. This would increase the area behind driver a-driver section so they could stand up and move around.

The power source would be the Hydrogen Fuell Cell engine.

The tires would be made from the deployable landing system material that encloses a lander in bubbles and then bounces around.

What about other gases that have low temperature flash points that are on Mars? Would the drilling process in any way ignite them?

If not then this may be a very good idea on how to drill for various reasons

1. Lasers are ran off of electricty and not fossil fuels like the big oil rigs are. A solar collection array could be set up to collect the UV rays then convert those rays into the electrical power needed to operate the laser drill.

2. Less equipment hauled to Mars mean less money spent on fossil fueled vehicles

This military vehicle would be a perfect design for transportation on Mars.

Just remove the cannon turret, add various life support systems, (the BDRM comes already built with a system that creates an airtight vehicle. This  system is meant to keep the crew and soldiers carried safe from gas and chemical attacks.) including, heating and communications systems   along with equipment suites to use in soil gathering or other expierements and you have the perfect Mars Rover.

Sometimes competition between rivals negates the desired outcome on the whole. Competing sometimes also negates systems that when incorporated into one design could increase the overall effectiveness of both teams singular goal.

we have to remember that mass is the weight of an object.

We also know that in order for your bowling ball to even exist the atoms that comprise the material that makes the bowling ball must move at a certain rate of velocity to create  the bowling ball. And how does the bowling ball keep its shape? Through the munipulation of how many atoms and at what rate the atoms move. If the atoms didn't move at all then the bowling ball would most likely be a gaseous state.

So gravity is created by how fast the atoms move within a particluar environment and how they interact with other atoms in this environment. Mass is just how much an atom weighs, mass does not create gravity.

Perhaps if you stopped trying to add a conatation of religion into the calculation then you would see what I mean.