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#52 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Cydonian "Pyramids & Face" - ...(what is your opinion?) » 2004-07-19 18:29:54

Tell me, Mr, can you say -I beg you- why the place with the face and the pyramids was baptized as Cydonia in first place? Why the Freemasons used that precise name for that area? Hmmm?

#53 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Cydonian "Pyramids & Face" - ...(what is your opinion?) » 2004-07-19 18:25:39

In fact that's not a "good" site. The guy is unknown astronomer who wants to discuss even the areas known better by geologists and his argument is we don't have to read what he considers "pseudo-science websites". Sure he's afraid of something because we can say the usual crap they sell us as "science" in different areas is pseudo-science as well!!!! In the issue about the glass tube he chats about what he considers "illusion" and his bla-bla-bla is not scientifical at all! Yet, he wants to make irony of the credential of Hoagland and everyone who thinks like him. That's not scientific argument either but just a sad effort to diminush the message "eliminating" the ones who delivers the message. So typical of the ones who make apology of the official belief.
Now, we can say the same and put in doubts his credential as well, right? Would that constitute a scientifical argument? I pity him.

#54 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Cydonian "Pyramids & Face" - ...(what is your opinion?) » 2004-07-19 18:14:07

It's not only the features of many faces appearing in that enormous mountain, it's the fact of the other structures (hidden in the official books of Nasa, I know because I buy them and read them) and other complete sphinx in fron of a "pyramid" (the official books don't show you with zoom) and the math, of course.
http://aadm.com/cydonia/Cydonia2.htm]ht … donia2.htm
It's good to be skeptical but it's an error to think just a single person -Hoagland- is the one making the studies.  We're talking about geologist who found at least 24 annomalies, experts in different kind of photograph even infrared, using 3D, spinning the images 180 degrees, projecting shadows from everywhere, etc, etc.
Hoagland's interest in Gizah began when he met Dr. Lambert Dolphin, a scientist from Stanford Research Institute (SRI) who conducted radar & seismographic research to locate hidden chambers near and under Great Sphinx.
There are linguists and specialist in myths and religion working in all elements regarding the planet associated with the god of War...and red color. And yap, NASA uses red filters to make it appear more reddish than it actually is.
And the new photographs show stones that look everything except "natural" rocks including a complete rectangular hole inside a stone and pieces of what it looks jigsaw puzzle. Hoagland didn't invent the fact the so-called Inca city revealed something we didn't know before: the area is like a circle which doesn't seem natural either.
Hoagland or Robert Morningstar or Michael Heiser didn't invent the glass tube, the T formations, the images with something like "trees" and so on. ???

#55 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Cydonian "Pyramids & Face" - ...(what is your opinion?) » 2004-07-19 18:00:50

That information of the site is incomplete and wrong. Mr. Hoagland said with 10 years anticipation the mountain will reveal anthropomorphic and feline features and the eroded mountain in fact show us exactly that, like a cryptographic zoo-anthropomorphic code making a game of shadow and light that was very common in some civilizations. The one who sets examples of eroded mountains on Earth doesn't know anything about these codes never visited these places. I recomend him a little bit of culture about Earth first before discussing other planets:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/ArtTra … tTrad.html
http://www.labyrinthina.com/marcahua.ht … rcahua.htm
http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magaz … ...si.html
http://greatdreams.com/gem2.htm]http:// … m/gem2.htm
http://lonewolfadventure.com/marcahuasi … lbum2.html
http://lonewolfadventure.com/marcahuasi … lbum3.html
http://www.lonewolfadventure.com/marcah … story.html
http://www.infoperu.com/peru/eng/cusco/ … achu4.html
http://www.infoperu.com/peru/eng/cusco/ … achu5.html
http://www.temakel.com/simbolismoanimal … lllama.htm
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … inca4.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … nca3c.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … inca5.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … inca6.html
And if he ever finishes reading without
jumping information as usual in many net surfers  :down:  there's still time to check what I posted in the thread about dense aliens or hyperdimensional. :band:

#56 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » mars aliens, dense or hyperdimensional? » 2004-07-19 07:06:15

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=21826
Check in the previous site I mentioned before this, the figure number 10.2, it's Nasa engineer "view".

#57 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » mars aliens, dense or hyperdimensional? » 2004-07-19 06:59:11

Sorry, one site was eliminated apparently. The other two are from a forum that requires your password. The other one you need to glue and then "enter". Please do that and check this:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage … 5/ufo4.htm

The hyperdimensional entities can trick you with million disguises. We can play with a Flatlander hypotethical living in a paper. We can draw things that he will notice appearing or erase them making him believe it vanished, we can tear up their flat 2D universe, we can bend it or twist it to affect their space-time, we can make holes to imitate the Bermuda triangle effect, etc. These are the signs on wheat fields. In a paper I can set up set up a cube made of paper using a cross drawn in the paper. Every time I'm mounting a piece the Flatlander won't see it because he's unable to see the dimension HEIGHT , he can only see width and length. Check the film Hypercube, CUBE II to understand better and read Michio Kaku's Hyperspace. Yet, Kaku is writing as a human confusing the reflection in the mirror with reality, so I explained in personal letter and his forum. It seems the physicists didn't have anything to add to my answers either.

#58 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » mars aliens, dense or hyperdimensional? » 2004-07-19 06:47:03

Though in Sitchin's books we can find some interesting valuable information, there are some HUGE mistakes:

http://www.facadenovel.com/sitchinerror … errors.htm

The one who wrote that is Michael Heiser and he has some errors himself and I'm still waiting his reply just as he waits for Sitchin's!!!!!
Some authors, like Sitchin, Däniken, J.J.Benítez and others will want to convince us everything have to be explained by VIMANAS or Hindu description of UFOs. There are some differences between what man was taught to build and what they are themselves. The description made by Nasa engineer, Joseph Blumrich of Ezekiel's vision was like a quadruple chopper with propelled system under the bell shape UFO:
http://www.iespana.es/historiadelosovni … ...lia.htm
So, I imagine a bacteriophagea virus will be seen as a lunar lander:
http://65.19.164.93/Forum/phpBB2/viewto … c.php?t=10
http://65.19.164.93/Forum/phpBB2/viewto … c.php?t=34
http://www.virology.net/Big_Virology/BV … NAmyo.html
Now, an invisible creature to naked eye -virus, bacteria, prion- is not less real than hyperdimensional invisible creature dwelling in Planck dimension trillion times smaller than a proton or maybe somewhere else in other dimension. Unfortunately no infrared, ultraviolet, kirlian, termographic, gamma or X rays devices hace checked this yet. But a dog or a horse can see things our eyes can't. It's not imposible to believe. You believe in dreams and oniric experience not cos science has duplicated them in machines but cos of "subjective" personal experience very different in time/space than the "objective" measure of rapid movement of the eyes with eyelids closed or paradoxal brain activity in alpha, betha, tetha, delta frequences, right????? yikes

#59 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » what do you think aliens would look like? - like what color, how tall.....etc. » 2004-07-19 06:15:41

Due to Mars gravity, it's no need to have giants to build the huge pyramids & Cydonia artificial eroded face, etc.
In the film Mars Attack the director describes big headed Martians. That's due to gravity. In Star Trek tv series, chapter The Cage, the script said planet Talos IV had gravity 1,3 bigger than the Earth.  So the Talosians heads were anatomic imposibility because the higher gravity would shrink their heads significantly. The script problem was solved because they diminushed gravity as happens with Mars.
In spite of this, I regret to say some sort of energetic creatures adapted their bodies to remain on Mars and we're dealing with hyperdimensional creatures as I explained in a thread with that issue in this forum. :rant:

#60 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » mars aliens, dense or hyperdimensional? » 2004-07-19 06:03:31

I say even more, the same chapter of Ezekiel mentions the cherub of Eden was expelled or cast out not only from orbiting "stones of fire" (linked in Hebrew with the Oposer) but specifically from "mountain of God". In Mesopotamia that was a mountain-house, in other words, a ziguratt or pyramid. So, the Hebrew prophet was saying is the hybrid cherub entity was cast out from pyramid in one planet.
The association with Samael and Edom or Esau is remembered by the Jewish legend. Edom and Esau were the red land and the red head Jacob's brother. In the same eroded face on  Mars we can decode ALSO the face of an Egyptian pharaoh.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire2/faceon … /ASAR.html
http://www.planetarymysteries.com/mars/ … ASA2e.html
That's awsome cos the same Ezekiel a few chapters after (32:29-32) mentions together EDOM + PHARAOH + CYDONIA (SIDON).
The Bible code gives us a hint that perhaps in the near future some kind of catastrophe could happen affecting Mars & Earth, the red planet (in fact Nasa uses red filter to make it appear more reddish than it actually is) could dissapear while our planet could diminush the length of its "day" to the 3rd part. 24-8=16 hours.
http://petragrail.tripod.com/mars.html] … /mars.html
That is guessed not only because Apocalipsis interpretation but because the word for MARS crosses the word for Earth (Hertz in Hebrew) cutting it at the third part of the word.
If you tell me we can find other codes written everywhere that could mean the whole universe is -like the thought of Jew-Poland Jacob Bekenstein whom I talked to- a hollographic matrix. In spite of easy criticism the Bible code can't be equaled with books like War & Peace or Moby Dick. Wanna read about it?:

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php … page.php/9
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php … age.php/54
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php … age.php/57
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php … ge.php/186   (read to page 189)
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php … ge.php/177

#61 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » A Mythology of Mars - A brief summary of Mars history » 2004-07-18 16:59:15

It doesn't require millions of years to witness catastrophes like asteroid hitting Jupiter. Thousands of years ago -and not millions of years ago- the account seen by Joshua as Sun and Moon standing still (according to their human points of view and today we say in our modern times "sunset" or "sunrise" and astronauts "ascending" miles) while BIG STONES fell from the sky, a detail overlooked by the people who never read Joshua 10:11-14. What is interesting is the fact IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH the same event was seen as the night during almost a day and we can check the same description was given n China, in Bolivia, in Mesoamerica, etc.
So, what happened to Mars really, the god of war, the red planet really?
Better check:
http://petragrail.tripod.com/mars.html] … /mars.html
Perhaps Velikovsky just confused Mercury with Venus and something also affected Mars. It isn't as hard to believe. After all even our Earth changed. Checking air bubbles kept in amber we know our atmosphere had different amount of oxygen. At this very moment our planet is getting flatter in the poles and wider in Equator belly and perhaps all the dates are not accurate for many reasons we don't know but are starting to realize now. For example the expanding Earth explanation:
http://www.expanding-earth.org]www.expanding-earth.org
  roll

#62 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » mars aliens, dense or hyperdimensional? » 2004-07-18 16:38:59

If you buy the book Uncovering the Secrets of the Red Planet with colaboration of Pathfinder organization and National Geographic you'll find in spite of their magnificent color 3D photos to see with the 3D lens, they CUT OFF the photos of the "face" to hide the tetrahedron and pyramids,they chose the worst of 11 photos available to set the blurred one of the "face". In the other one we can see the other COMPLETE sphinx also shown (with zoom) by Hoagland. No hoaxs but Nasa hiding things. The fact Hoagland foretold with 10 years anticipation the face would show a lion face is important to remember. Considering this pay attention to what Robert Morningstar and other people have also discovered and see interesting other photos:
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/pyramid_p … _pics.html
http://www.spacey.net/wallriter/page43C … ge43C.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Pa … /mars.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/sphinx … phinx2.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Path-s … phinx.html
http://www.mactonnies.com/imperative32. … ive32.html
http://www.aulis.com/twothirds.htm]www. … thirds.htm
http://www.planetarymysteries.com/mars/ … ASA2f.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/catbox … catbox.htm
I don't think constelations do have animal shape -except maybe Milky Way = Ouroborous snake cycle:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher]www.mt.net/~watcher
The name of goddess Hathor in Egypt meant "dwelling of the gods" and depending on the culture, the animal hybrid shape was different. In other words, Hoagland and Michael H. are probably paying too much attention to hyperdimensional math rather than hyperdimensional entities.
Graham Hancock said something important: in the megalithic temples set in electromagnetic grid of the world, people who are not necessarily lunatics neither schizophrenic have witnessed the presence of hybrid creatures. This is not the "archetype" logic invented by Freud and completely misunderstood by his atheism. Shamans and anthropologist will know better.
I have personaly interviewed people who have seen the same experiences mentioned here:
http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magaz … huasi.html
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kerub.ht … /kerub.htm
This very place, Marcahausi plateau, 14.000 feet upon sea level in Peru, helps us to understand the riddle of Mars because the eroded face is the eroded artificial mountain with zoo-anthropomorphous cryptographic code using a procedure very well known in Peru and Egypt, Mexico:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/ArtTra … tTrad.html
http://www.labyrinthina.com/marcahua.ht … rcahua.htm
http://www.infoperu.com/peru/eng/cusco/ … achu4.html
http://www.infoperu.com/peru/eng/cusco/ … achu5.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … inca4.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … nca3c.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … inca5.html
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi … inca6.html
http://www.aamefe.org.ar/puma/puma.htm] … a/puma.htm
http://www.temakel.com/simbolismoanimal … lllama.htm
A study of what these ancient people will lead us to believe the "gods" in fact have been trapped in dimensional dungeons, like the spirits mentioned by Judas & Peter quoting from Enoch (who wrote they are in the deserts), like real Cenobites in Hellraiser Pandora's box-tesseract or hypercubes, the invisible Pandemonium from the cherub of Mars (Ezekiel 28:11 to verse 20 giving us the REASON why Freemasons baptized that Martian place with the name Cydonia (Sidon).
In ancient Arab, Cairo means Mars. Tyrus was Mars and Phoenicians called themselves Cydonians. The cherub of Eden is compared with Tyrus king (that is Mars too). The verse 20 says to turn the FACE against Sidon/Cydonia and the sphinx in Egypt was Horemhaket meaning Falcon Horus in the horizon. Not only the falcon is one of the faces appearing in Mars' face but falcon in Egyptian language comes from the word "heru" meaning "face". Now, take a load of this regarding the math linked to pyramids and the Martian face:
http://www.aadm.com/cydonia/Cydonia2.ht … donia2.htm
You gotta be too cynical beyond healthy skepticism if you think all these is just a happy coincidence.
Hebrew mysticism will tell you the name of that cherub was Satan or Samael or Shamael also mentioned in Sumerian accounts under the name of Semael. The one married with sucubus Lillith also living in the deserts , Isaiah 34:14; Zecharia 5:9.
Nowadays I wonder how come the experts in genetic have the idea to use transgenic animal DNA to insert into human...perhaps to make us like "them" in their invisible realms...like Sumerian descriptions of the past (complete the cycle again????).
Even in our physical realms there are things not too many people are aware, for example the winged-cats (affected with feline cutaneous asthenia) , 138 reported sightings and 28 documented:
http://www.messybeast.com/winged-cats.h … d-cats.htm
cats with 2 heads:
http://www.messybeast.com/freak-face.ht … k-face.htm
http://www.messybeast.com/freak-conjoin … joined.htm
Would it be impossible in the invisible hyperdimensional realms or do I have to repeat to you the same thing I said to physicist Michio Kaku (Hyperspace) that he confused the reflection in the mirror with reality using his examples of Dali's or Picasso's art to show how creatures in 4th dimension could see us.
I told him he was turning the blind eye on regarding the art of the ancient ones like Egyptians. All of them, Hindus, Incas, Mayas, Moches, Chinese, etc, have depicted the HYBRID CREATURES, not just animals, but totems united.
If you're a flatlander like Popey living in a paper, that creature only needs to project an image using the paper as a screen. You can't see that reality with your eyes perceiving 0.5% maybe of the frequences available. Your dog sees more in a ghost house, it can even smells your "fear", a fly sees the universe with its 8000 hexagonal omatidies and the snake with termographic Predator vision.
Temples of the past were polished to optical degree because of that. They had to be DARK and the representation painted was flat and bidimensional. They used cocaine, nicotine,blue lilly, opium, etc, to enhance what is forbidden by your eyes. To see that in a dark temple allowed the use of melatonine (check what's the meaning of the Greek name used by "science" to know more what I mean). The FX is like the nightmare scene of Moses in the animated film "Prince of Egypt". Drawings becoming alive in your mind cos the chemical structure of those substances acts like a key unlocking the same pattern of serotonine, endorphines, etc.
Then you can see what sort of entities we're talking about.
Whatever you see in our Earth is just the dense part of reality...the shadow part. Cherubs are trapped within the stone. Incas know that.
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