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#676 Re: Human missions » Against the Human Exploration of Mars if Everyone can't go. » 2005-08-30 15:34:29

Welcome to new Mars Kaci_m and hope you enjoy yourself here.

It will really come down to who actually manages to get to Mars. Which country or collection of countries will make it. A lot depends on that as countries and cultures are different and it is they will flavour an initial Martian colony

#677 Re: Human missions » Space Advocacy Fragmentation » 2005-08-30 13:39:41

Welcome to New Mars Frank and happy posting big_smile

#678 Re: Human missions » Spacesuits - personal spaceship » 2005-08-30 09:51:08

yes but definitly a lot smaller something between a deep sea hardsuit and that aliens mechanical lifter.

#679 Re: Human missions » Spacesuits - personal spaceship » 2005-08-30 08:17:15

It is not its toxicity that is the main problem rather the shape of the particles of dust. Toxicity is likely just an additional problem.

Still im all for the idea of powered suits using mechanical and electrical means to increase the explorers strength and capability. If this means the suits are just walk in conditions this may prove a better idea as there is a need to have astronauts to be instantly ready to operate and if the need arises just to step into the suit and go. This basically removes the heavy breathing exercises and pre use techniques that the current USA suit requires to operate.

Power should not be a problem as crews should not go too far from the ability to recharge the suits as the Hab and crewed rover should have the capability to recharge suits batteries.

#680 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Medical Science Potpourri » 2005-08-30 08:09:10

And for something wonderful and potentially sinister if misused.

Times online, Artificial wombs within 20 years

(sinister ideas)
Well if we can get it to work here is our colonisation problem for Mars sorted send a couple of hundred artificial wombs and a million fertilised eggs and simply keep increasing the population. Not to mention we have a lot of problems with demographics in Europe but with this technology not any more.

#681 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Medical Science Potpourri » 2005-08-30 07:57:08

Well more from the up and coming science that of genetics and there modification

Gene that gives a 30% increase to length of life found

Still the gene may work on Mice and Men but it has potentially other problems when these are sorted  big_smile

#682 Re: Human missions » Space Advocacy Fragmentation » 2005-08-29 17:48:14

Ill have to admit I find that flag design quite horrible. I can see the song the patriotic anthem "to the red white and Blue squiggly bits and numerous balls"

Very patriotic not.

Nah the flag has to mean something look at the flag of the Mars society with the red,green and blue standing out for the world we wish to make.

Lunar republic flag

This again is quite an inspiring flag and one that actually portrays a meaning which can be seen and felt

The Earth Flag contest winner

The winner of the Earthflag contest and it is better than the one we have seen though it could still be improved.

#683 Re: Not So Free Chat » terrorist nukes already in the u.s.? » 2005-08-29 17:35:44

Australians find "Dirty bomb" material

The Australian investigators have found large amounts of material that could make for extremely dirty bombs in very unsecure facilities. Just great  :x

#684 Re: Not So Free Chat » Current Gasoline/Petrol Price$ » 2005-08-29 03:41:12

I wish it was sensationalism but those oil production wells in the gulf where all abandoned 2 days ago and the crews returned to land. This is a safety of life thing but with production stalled this will put prices up a bit more sorry folks.

What though is the biggest threat is if New Orleans gets hammered as a large percentage of the USA's refinery,piping and tanker ports are located in and around that city. Any severe damage to the city will be bad for this sector of the oil industry as these are all based on the shore or just behind the threatened levies. One of the principal hubs of the USA's oil production capacity is located 60 miles south of New orleans and with most of the gas and oil from the mexican gulf going through it produces about 30% of the oil needed by the USA.

#685 Re: Not So Free Chat » terrorist nukes already in the u.s.? » 2005-08-28 17:31:29

And reverse engineering a suitcase bomb and placing that know how with a nuclear power such as North Korea is a lot easier than one might think. A dirty bomb is unreliable by comparison. Where as simply providing the plans to North Korea in partial trade would Get AlQuaeda and North Korea a "assumedly tested" weapon system.

But you just dont get it the knowhow to make a suitcase bomb is already "out there". It is the capability to make them that is not. We are talking of some of the hardest science there is as the device has to be small enough for a single person to be able to carry and still have enough explosive to be able to smash the Plutonium/Uranium mix together to be able to detonate the device. This is very hard science to manage and very hard to make (thank God)

But a dirty bomb can be a simple device and it really works on the KISS principle and actually a large truck filled with fertiliser that is rigged as a dirty bomb can spread long lived radioactive material just as bad as the suitcase nuclear bomb. Even worse for people dealing with a dirty bomb is that the materials exploded across a city have a much greater life than those of a nuclear device and are more likely to be absorbed into a human body. A Nuclear suitcase bomb would do more damage and kill a lot more people but it can be cleaned up easier than a really dirty bomb.

All I can hope is that this never ever happens and that this comparison remains purely academic

#686 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Lets walk before we run - Moon first » 2005-08-28 17:11:11

I like to ask you guys two question.

1:Do we actually need to go to the moon? The Mars Society faq doesn't think so.

2: Wouldn't we be better of in the long term if NASA puts all of it's budget into research?

The Mars society is the Mars society and it is dedicated to Mars. But you must understand that it was formed from the Mars underground and that was a result of the hiatus of the space programme. The first president Bush wanted to get back to space and it was this infamous ninety day report that basically soured that. The Mars society is the result of a wish to do something and go somewhere and Mars is the only world where we can raise another human civilisation.

But though in the Mars society there are people who only want the one destination most people want just to have an increased prescence and capability in space. To do this we need to have infrastructure above the well that is Earth and the capacity for independent operations not dependant on the Earth alone. There are two places where this can be done. The lagrange points or the Moon, the lagrange points will need materials either sent to them from the Moon or from the asteroids. The Moon though already has those materials and even better for operating on, gravity but much weaker and easier to break away from that of the Earth.

The best way to think of the Moon is that of a factory/port area that can power mankind deeper into space and to actually enrich our home planet with the one thing that Earth relies upon. Energy. to quote Dennis Skinner "We go to Mars to bring our civilisation there. We go to the Moon to save our civilisation here."

#687 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct *3* - ...continue here. » 2005-08-28 16:12:17

BBC article on making a lunar base

This is a BBC article on NASA's plans for a lunar base and what the private sector space advocates say.

#688 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri VIII » 2005-08-28 15:55:12

How about a russian army of mercenaries hired out to the republic of Kurdistan by the nation of Russia? They have air support, and Nuclear weapon support as a last defence option.

I doubt the Kurds can afford to pay mercs. They don't controll any oil wealth to my knowledge. They never had any power. Saddam made sure of that. Besides using nukes is the last thing any kurds want. If Turkey gets nuked worldwide support will go to Turkey. Just like the support jews received creating Israeli after WW2.

This can be stopped if America digs it's pocket and pays Turkey to stop attacking the kurds or it will be cheaper to stop those f*cking idiots who are writing the constitution that will split the country. They are signing there own death.

Actually around the area of Mosul in the Kurdish area is quite a large oil reserve and makes up about 45 to 50% of Iraqs total oil reserves. They also have very good agriculture and large deposits of the mineral chromiun. The problem for the Sunni minority in Iraq is they actually control a very poor economically speaking area of Iraq unlike the Oil rich Shia and Kurds. Even agriculture for the Iraq area is dominated by the Shi'te and Kurds as northern Iraq is quite a reasonable area for agriculture production and the area of the tigris basin in the south is the other.

So for the Sunni it is not such a good situation unless they can keep what is currently Iraq together (frankly a made up state). For the Kurds and Shi'te who where the oppressed under the Sunni Baath party and especially in the Kurdish areas there current independence and wish to do things there own ways makes there desire for a federalist state the dominant thought.

In the referendum we will see the Sunni vote unlike at the last elections and it is likely that this constitution will be shot down. This is bad for us and the USA as this means until the automatic new elections (a consequence of the failed referendum and constitution) and there new negociations for new members of the constitutional forum then the arquements over what the new constitution will look like and when to hold a new referendum. Until this is done there will be a political vacuum and chaos and violence like what we see now. Except the Kurds and the Sh'ite are a lot less likely to be baring the other cheek. We have all the ingredients of a major civil war. In fact we have all the ingredients to start a major war that will pull in a lot of the neighbouring countries.

Imagine a war where the likes of Iran, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Turkey get pulled in. That is the nightmare scenario and one that we in the west have to stop. The only thing that can do this is to keep a large military force in place and to get neutral forces in Iraq into place. This is a strong effective impartial police and Army. The more we can get the country to work again the more we can stop it from disintegrating in a mayhem of blood and terror. Unfortunatly to do this we have to keep the troops in place and that makes them targets and we will have more and more casualties.

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#689 Re: Not So Free Chat » terrorist nukes already in the u.s.? » 2005-08-28 06:46:02

Making a suitcase bomb is a lot more difficult than just designing one and only a very good equipped facility can do it. Sorry to say what im scared about is that Al-Qhaeda gets its hands on materials to make what is called a dirty bomb. This is a normal bomb that is contaminated with nuclear material. This is a lot easier to do.

Any Bomb so used would prove to not only do a lot of damage but the long term cleanup (years) would prove to be very very expensive not to mention there are targets that could simply cause the US economy to nosedive with the damage.

And nuclear material is unfortunatly very easy to get hold of. Look at the incident in Mexico a few years back when dozens of people died when a container of nuclear material was opened in a junk yard.

#690 Re: Not So Free Chat » Happy Birthday Dr. Smith- Nov. 6th » 2005-08-28 06:36:46

1) A very large fry up and I mean large.

2) A bottle of Irn Bru (scottish drink) It has a miraculous success rate

3) go Hillwalking and it is raining heavily. Your too miserable from the weather to worry about a hangover.

Hope that helps

#691 Re: Human missions » Spacesuits - personal spaceship » 2005-08-28 06:28:33

I suspect that with the Martian probes we have sent being confined primarily to the surface of Mars then those surface conditions will quickly kill any micro life sent assuming they survived the trip to Mars.

But Humans are living and as such are Microbacterial factories and we are frankly going to be delving deep into Mars and looking for life. That means finding those places where life could exist like permanent ice and water deposits and underground aquifers etc. If we leak bacteria etc then we will contaminate those spots and making ourselves sterile is a lot harder than doing so for a probe.

So we will just have to use a bit more caution and have to accept that if there was no life on Mars before we came there certainly will be when we leave. And is that really a bad thing.

#692 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » ANOMALOUS ORBS IN THE MARTIAN SKY » 2005-08-27 07:53:22

More likely they are dust blowing across the lenses and we know that the Rovers are dusty as they have an increasing power loss which was once fixed by a martian twister giving one of the rovers a "clean"

#693 Re: Not So Free Chat » Happy Birthday Dr. Smith- Nov. 6th » 2005-08-26 15:26:08

I had better stay out of this conversation as I pretty much have yet to meet an alcahol that I didnt agree with but does not agree with me.

Actually that can describe the women in my life too... :cry:

Oh well Slanshivar, or Slansh Ho

#694 Re: Not So Free Chat » Happy Birthday Dr. Smith- Nov. 6th » 2005-08-26 08:31:51

Happy Birthday Clark, Have a good one...

I still want those bands I used to have :shock:

#695 Re: Martian Chronicles » Creative Ideas - Grab Bag! » 2005-08-24 14:30:19

1) A person has stolen the key to your life support system for reasons that can be religous, psychopathic, revenge and the rest of the small base crew desperatly have to hunt down that person so that they can live.

2) A base that is on Mars and is actively terraforming the planet gets into trouble when the enviroment changes rapidly and there is a need to make decisions to save the crews life

#696 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » The Evolution of Evolution » 2005-08-24 13:44:23

Actually one of the reasons that red heads are common in both Ireland and Scotland is that a red haired women though more at risk of melanoma actually has benefits when it comes down to giving birth and other ailments. In redheaded women the gene melanocortin-1 gives redheads a higher pain threshold than other colour of hair women.

It was always thought that redheads had a less resistance to pain but what in fact was happening was that there increased pain protection masked the anaesthetic so that they need more to feel less pain.

From a genetic benefit Women are less pained at giving birth if they are red heads so they are more likely to have more children and so the gene is passed on.

Oh incidentally men get nothing from being redheads apart from insults from the likes of me :twisted:

#697 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Magnetic Launching Points » 2005-08-24 13:18:44

If we get a space elevator then there is nothing to stop it being combined with a magnetic launching system. Actually if we have a lift system they will likely be based on magnetic propulsion to move the various cars and if we design it that cars or pallets can be whipped into space then we have a magnetic propulsion system which is long enough and able to send craft to very far places as long as the Earth is in the right place.

#698 Re: Not So Free Chat » U.S. Culture - ...where's it going? » 2005-08-24 13:14:05

There is a problem for the USA in this.

You see when these calls are made they give the person aimed at a lot more support from the people of his own country. Frankly all that Pat Robertson has managed to do, is to prove without a doubt to the people of Venezuela that he is being targeted by the USA and no matter his policies they have increased his support. And with President Chavezs policies in the Carribean and South America this will reduce support of the USA there and increase his.

What gives Pat Robertson the right to demand what is against International and USA law the deliberate murder of a foreign national. It makes a nice soundbite but it really is fundamentally stupid and all it has done is hurt the USA. And incidentally what really peaves me as the ally of the USA it hurts Britain too.

#699 Re: Not So Free Chat » Wm. Wallace Honored (Scotland) » 2005-08-24 09:26:33

Its called Plaid, pretty much a long piece of cloth that is wrapped around you and tied of by the broach. The Kilt is just a smaller piece of plaid. The people in the middle ages and later used it to sleep in then wrap up and move. William Wallace though famed as a guerilla fighter and battle leader was also a diplomat having written to the various leaders of Europe after Stirling bridge and Falkirk

That was your totally useless fact from the token scottish guy on the forum

#700 Re: Human missions » Physical Fitness and Gravity » 2005-08-20 06:32:46

One option is that we will use drugs that block the signals that reduce muscle mass and the cause of calcium loss. There is a lot of research into this already as it is a common affliction for elderly and a cure would benefit them too.

There is also a possibility that in the future some of the people we will send will actually be looking for the reduced G as they will have weakenesses in their own bodies that cannot be cured. And there only chance of a decent life

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