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Lets assume these are the vehicles we use to get to the Hotel and back, they are designed to carry 100 colonists to Mars, I bet you they could do a decent job of bringing guests to the hotel. The Hotel would need 100 guest rooms, some of them would have double occupancy, some rooms would adjoin to accommodate a family taking the trip. Each room would include a double bed, some would have king and queen sized beds, in the room would be a flat-screen television/computer, there would be a bathroom with tub, shower, toilet, and sink. There would be a light switch, you flick it on, and shutters open in the ceiling to let in natural sunlight. the Hotel is located in the polar region so sunlight is always available, the hotel room otherwise has no windows.

On the other hand would you want a window in your hotel room, showing a scene like this?
Windows have some cost, and they let in radiation. I think if there was a window to the outside in your hotel room, you might want a shutter to completely block out the light when you want to go to bed. If you like, maybe their should also be a window in the ceiling so you can see the stars.

I kind of agree with you there. I was just finishing the book, and the argument for Titan would seem to be cosmic rays, the protection our atmosphere gives from them is equivalent to 10 meters of water above you head. Though I think 10 meters of Martian water can be found on Mars if we look hard enough, and if not that rock and dirt can also block cosmic rays if not as well. A big thing was made of having to live underground. The Moon could give the best protection of all, with only three days of travel to get there, and if astronauts upon arrival go immediately underground they will be the best protected against cosmic rays, and you can build the base before colonists arrive On the Moon, you can replicate everything the Earth has to offer except a full Earth gravity.

Then why is Hillary Clinton still married to one? Could a newly divorced Hillary Rodham have become President? Therein lies your answer, Hillary needed that last name of Clinton, because it belonged to  former President, and people would associate her with him! Many people figure that if Bill Clinton wasn't so bad for them in spite of his misogyny, then they figure that Donald Trump couldn't be that bad either, plus he is a billionaire so he might know something about making money! You know Donald Trump used his billions to become President, not by spending it mind you, he spent less than Hillary Clinton, but as an example of what he could do for this country.

He also said he could shoot a person and his people would still vote for him, is that proof of Murder? "Could" is not the same thing as "Did!" These are idle boasts, Donald Trump has a tendency to boast and brag a lot, this is one of his character flaws, but he still would make a better President than Hillary, this is also one of the reasons the Media so favored him during the Republican Primaries, they wanted to select the weakest candidate for Hillary to run against, the only problem was that Hillary couldn't even beat him, any other candidate would have beat Hillary in a landslide, so the Media went to work assassinating the characters of the other Republican Candidates to make sure Trump would win in hopes that he would lose to Hillary, but instead Hillary was so awful, we're going to end up with a President Trump, because of them trying to rig the election in Hillary's favor, and it all began in the Primaries of both parties! One was rigged by the Press for Hillary so Bernie Sanders wouldn't win, the other was rigged in favor of Donald Trump, and once he won, the Press turned on him. The Press isn't doing its job, instead of reporting the news, it is trying to control our country by selecting our leaders through favorable and unfavorable coverage!

I don't know very many "Idiots" who could have done what Donald Trump has done. If Donald Trump wanted to, he could go into space, he could pay the Russians to take him to the International Space Station, can you do that? I don't disagree with you that the system is broken, the part of the system that doesn't work, which isn't doing what it is supposed to do is the Media. Instead if reporting the news and serving is customers, it is making a grab for the brass ring of Politicial power by spreading propaganda with the objective of electing their chosen candidate, the Trump victory is for them an incomplete success, they got Trump and Hillary to win their respective primaries, but the problem is the American People ended up with a two-way race between two candidates that they didn't like, thanks to the media, and they didn't like Hillary Clinton more, and the people who supported Donald Trump stuck to their candidate. The Trump voters voted for a man, the Hillary voters voted for a Party, they held their noses and voted for someone they knew to be a liar, but they voted for her just the same because they wanted the policies she promised them, the problem was she was a known liar! Hillary would have done whatever she wanted if elected, she would have told the voters anything they wanted to hear without feeling any obligation about keeping her promises once she was elected. Trump however has a sense of honor, he would feel obligated to keep whatever promises he made while on the campaign trail, that is why Trump won.

Yes, Hillary campaigned down to us, assuming we were stupid animals, that all she needed was to spend the right amount of money on the right ad campaign to convince us to vote for her, and then once elected, she would do whatever she wanted, without regard to the promises she made to the people who elected her! The People weren't as stupid as she was counting on, and its too bad Ted Cruz wasn't elected President in Donald's place, but as you say, our system is broken, and our Media needs fixing!

It wasn't the parties that selected  them, it was the media! One thing a democracy needs is good information about the candidates the people were voting for, the Media wasn't providing that, it was providing Propaganda instead, it was attempting to manipulate the system by providing slanted coverage toward their favored candidates and negative coverage towards their unfavored candidates. Among the unfavored candidates was Ted Cruz, Donald Trump started spreading rumors that Ted's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and the Media instead of disputing that, amplified that message instead! If the Media was actually doing its job instead of manipulating the system, someone else may have been nominated the Republican Party's candidate instead of Trump! The people to blame in case you didn't like the choice of two candidates, is the US Media! I voted for Trump because I felt that Trump was more honest than Hillary, and actually believed h would build a wall on our Southern Border to keep out the illegal immigrants! Hillary has a known record of lying, even about stupid things she didn't have to lie about, such as being under sniper fire when she landed in Bosnia! If she could lie so easily, how do we know which promises she intended to keep if any, and for that matter what she would actually do if elected President?

I don't think the Russians want nuclear war any more than we do. don't forget nuclear war also means their cities going up in flames, now the Russians wouldn't put their lives at stake over Syria, they would back down! The only reason they are there now is because they perceived a weak President in the White House, and they thought they could get away with it. Trump, it appears, seems willing to let them keep Syria, if the Russians are favoring Trump it could be for that reason!

Voting for someone because she is a woman is the absolute wrong thing to do! As I recall, the Media did a number of Sarah Palin with Tina Fey doing a caricature of her in order to smear Sarah Palin enough so she wouldn't run for President, it is unfortunate because I think she would have made a great President, but the Media already had someone else in mind to be the first Woman President, and it was not her! So they went extraordinarily negative with gossipy stories covering her and her children! All to ruin her reputation to clear the way for Hillary's run. they didn't want Sarah Palin running against Barack Obama in 2012, that was the thing they most feared and succeeded in preventing!

You know America is a continent that you live on, it is two continents in fact! It was meant to benefit North America, that was its whole purpose. The main problem with NAFTA now is Mexico, not your country!

Trump has said he loves Canada, his problem is with Mexico stealing our jobs, that is what he says. He wouldn't have a problem with NAFTA if it was just between the US and Canada.

Lot of the hate is directed towards Trump, did you see the reception Mike Pence got when he went to see the show Hamilton? I think a lot of the Swastika Grafitti was spray painted by people who weren't actually Nazis trying to smear Trump. This stuff about Trump being a racist Democrat fiction, so I bet there are Democrats spray painting those Swastikas and writing Trump's name next to them. Trump has a Jewish daughter, an son in law, this stuff about him being a Nazi was all Trumped up by the Democrats looking to smear his name so Hillary can get elected. As for Islam being a cancer, a lot of the anti-Semitism actually comes from that quarter, and there were a number of terrorist attacks by Muslim terrorists, naturally its a concern.

You heard of his guy? His name is Al Capone, he came in with a wave of Italian immigrants early in the 20th century. Muslim terrorists are like Al Capone.

You could have a cylinder that was 100 miles in diameter and an inner cylinder that is 90 miles in diameter. If you climb the highest mountain, you can then touch the sky. In this case both cylinders would rotate together. Keeping the same proportions as an O'Neill Cylinder, it would be 500 miles long. You have a smaller scale fusion reactor and illumination tube.
This Spin gravity calculator http://www.geocities.ws/charleswgriswold/SpinGrav.html gives a spin rate of 9.503700668335746 minutes per rotation.

Titan has something Mars needs, water nitrogen. Titan has something Venus needs, hydrogen. If we are to extract oxygen from Titan water, we have a surplus of hydrogen, send the hydrogen to Venus to make an ocean while producing enough oxygen to make Titan's atmosphere breathable. Boiling point of oxygen is 90.19 K, Boiling point of Nitrogen is 77.34 K. The surface temperature of Titan is 93.7 K. So apparently oxygen can exist as a gas in Titan's atmosphere, it would probably form clouds at higher altitudes. I thought the author of the book made a big deal about having to live underground to protect from radiation. I say, so what's wrong with living under ground? On Titan, you would have to live under something, you would have to wear some sort of heated environmental suit if you went outside, even if it wasn't a pressure suit. I believe we can duplicate the conditions of Titan's atmosphere here on Earth and can test out various suits to see how well they protect against that kind of cold. I don't know if NASA ever built a Titan Suit, it probably doesn't have much reason to. I believe every square inch on one's body would have to be covered up and heated. If one exhaled into Titan's atmosphere, the carbon dioxide would precipitate out an fall the ground as dry ice. One can inflate a dome on Titan, it need not hold in that much greater pressure than the outside atmosphere, just enough to hold its shape. The dome need not be transparent either. I'm not sure if residents would want to look a Titan's orange sky, the light of the distant sun would produce as much light as twilight on Earth. You would probably see a glow in the sky from reflected light from Saturn. I think a dome might as well be opaque, it would have to be well insulated anyway. Some form or artificial illumination would be provided, if done cleverly, this could look like natural sunshine, I think lasers would be a good way to get natural sunlight intensity, and they produce a lot of waste heat, but that's okay, on Titan you need waste heat. I think probably we'll have fusion reactors by the time we're ready to settle Titan, they can supply electricity for light and heat, and can also crack water to make oxygen, which can be carried around in tanks for more portable energy sources. I think fusion reactors will probably come from spaceship engines. We can duplicate all the conditions on Earth inside an enclosure except gravity, which is at 14% that of Earth. Air travel would probably be the best way to travel on Titan. Helicopters, balloons, airplanes of one sort or another would all work on Titan. Also getting into orbit from Titan would be easy.

Would that be the Pilgrims by any chance?
Plymouth Colony was much more hospitable than Mars. It was a hard life on either side of the Atlantic, it was just that they were unprepared for the New England weather!

What does your intuition say it would cost to maintain a fleet of lunar trucks, traveling over the lunar surface, navigating around craters, climbing over ridges etc, compare that to flinging the same cargo on a suborbital arc towards the same location. if you wanted to place a bet, which could deliver the good more cheaply per ton? Also is there any better way to get stuff off the Moon's surface, a spaceship perhaps? f we are to deliver bulk goods to the Earth from the Moon, a mass driver is the best way to go. If were not delivering bulk good from the Moon, the base is not economically self-supporting.

Let me just back up for a minute The sky is built out of the carbon in the atmosphere. When you take the carbon out of Venus' atmosphere, what's left? Just oxygen and nitrogen, this is where we dump hydrogen. Hydrogen + Oxygen -> Water water fills the ocean basins and makes oceans like these:

The ceiling is just to solve Venus' problem of slow rotation and being too close to the Sun, we add in a moon that isn't there in the sky show, so it looks like were someplace on Earth, from the perspective of someone standing on the surface, and you know this is the only planet in the Solar System that we can do this with. Mars has too little gravity, the moment you jump up and down its a dead give away. If we ever want an "Earth 2" in our Solar System Venus is what we make it out of, if we don't want to go to completely artificial structures such as my cylinders. Cylinders give you a negative curvature, you need an inner sky cylinder to block off you view of the inverted landscape as it curves up and over your head. You will see some of this however. Venus will have a true horizon, but if you want it to be truly Earthlike, you have to create your own artificial Sun and sky, and maybe a moon and stars too.

The roof would have a system of vents and fans. The air pressure underneath the sky sphere would not be zero, if you can remove some air pressure over some areas and increase it over others, you can create low pressure and high pressure cells, and as you know from meteorology, wind flows from high pressure to low pressure areas, so by this means, we can get the winds to flow in whatever direction we desire, perhaps even duplicate the prevailing wind patterns as seen over Earth. The towers would also me a means to reach the natural surface of Venus from the roof. the top of the roof would not be smooth but include fins to reject heat absorbed by the Sun. This heat rejection can also be used to generate electricity with would power the sunlight from the sky underside of this roof. A good portion of this roof would be made out of carbon, in whatever form is most convenient for construction, this would leave a lot of oxygen behind, which would then be combined with imported hydrogen to make oceans for the surface. Towers would descent all across the surface at certain intervals, whether it be land or ocean, they would be part of the landscape. I think if they were separated by say, 50 miles for instance, people can get used to them, the sky would appear blue during the days when it wasn't cloudy, and at night, it could show stars and a moon. Seasons would come and go just like on Earth, the calendar would be the same as on Earth, people after a while might even forget they are living on an alien planet. In this respect Venus is the most Earthlike of all the other planets in the Solar System.

It is an inside out version of my Cylinder idea, except that instead of depending on spin for gravity, it relies on the mass of Venus to create actual gravity.

Elon Musk launches satellites for a profit, here's what Trump might do, he might offer SpaceX tax credits if they launch a mission to Mars that NASA wants done, and after accounting for that cost, they can use that in lieu of paying taxes for that year, So SpaceX can launch several rockets to launch satellites and then they do something for NASA, and in return they don't pay taxes on the profits they earned, how does that sound?

Why is it important for metals to be light weight on Mars? They already weigh less. Also what is so political about Aluminum?