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Pollster John Zogby: “The nation continues to be split down the middle but there appears to be a deep and growing concern about how polarized we are. The President tried to address the situation on the ground in Iraq and hoped to allay the fears of the nation. It looks like that did not happen. Meanwhile, opposition to the war reveals that Americans are just as hostile and intense as they were the day after the 2004 election. The message seems to be pretty clear for Mr. Bush: lay off the partisan rhetoric and work to find compromise solutions.”
Both sides need to back down simultaneously. With measurable and verifiable rewards for genuine bi-partisanship.
Step 1? Stop saying liberals are traitors. (Hint: Ann Coulter and Karl Rove)
Step 2? Harry Reid and George Bush co-equally choose the next Supreme Court justice behind closed doors and dare ANY GOP-er or Democrat to object.
Cobra, clark offered a softball. Now your comments please on this. :;):
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/30 … 3]Stirling Newberry on Iraq:
We Are Not Winning this War, Because We Cannot Win It:
There were some harsh lessons for the USSR in Afgahnistan, and an objective reading of American involvement in Iraq is that we decided to confirm everyone of them by repeating each and every one of the mistakes that the USSR made.
What leaps out looking at the documents available from the USSR and its invasion and occupation in Afghanistan, are the eerie parallels to the Downing Street Memos. In both cases the picture emerges of an ideologically rigid hierarchy committed to particular end states, regardless of whether they had the means to achieve them. To go even farther, in both cases there was an obsession with how the action would be framed, and with managing the proxies and internal bureaucracy - instead of facing the facts on the mission.
My comments from before regime change were (a) whacking Saddam is GOOD; (b) a free and stable Iraq is GOOD; but that mission was "several bridges too far" or "several bites larger" than the US military was capable of chewing, especially with modest deployments.
Go back in the records of new mars - - this is the gist of my objections to our going into Iraq.
In the United States General Tommy Franks put forward a deployment plan that involved a two prong assault and over 300,000 troops. This was rejected by Rumsfeld - a member of the American cabinet, the equivalent to the USSR's politburo. Instead an invasion with half that number went forward. Rumsfeld, like his Soviet predecessors, argued that the superiority of military hardware would make this number sufficient for the mission.
The same objections that the Soviet General Staff raised to the Afghanistan mission were raised by the British military directory - the troops were insufficient for the "total victory" endstate envisioned - that is installation of a compliant and stable regime. The British pointed out that inferior endstates might have to be accepted. It is interesting that in a 1986 meeting of the politburo, the same realization was reached by Andrei Gromyko - that total victory was outside of Soviet grasp given the resources.
Once in Afghanistan the Soviet Ground Forces took their heaviest casualties keeping the road network open. They found that they were not fighting set piece battles against a military that drew its strength from a working economy, but a military that drew its strength from a militia reserve of un and underemployed. Unlike fighting a state actor - which is easier to defeat as its economy gets worse, fighting a guerilla war is the reverse, the guerilla movement gets stronger as the economy worsens.
Looking at the location of US military fatalities since the war, the same pattern emerges - the US takes its deaths trying to maintain order in the cities, and in trying to hold the roads. The interior areas of the country are virtually ceded to the insurgency. The insurgency does not draw its strength from towns that produce a surplus to be used in fighting, but from the destruction of the economic system from before.
Not enough soldiers. The professional military was overruled by politicians!
Iraqi unemployment and the clannish or tribal desire to avenge the deaths of kinsfolk fuels the insurgency. Also, we are asking the Sunni to accept the Shia as equals which is rather like asking the whites of Carolina or Alabama to accept blacks as equals in 1865.
Yup, a good speech or two by Condi Rice and its "mission accomplished"
This problem - that the forces involved were not large enough to force a military victory, but they were too expensive to allow a full scale reconstruction - haunted Soviet post-mortems in 1986 and 1987. These failures are already being admitted by American planners and internal critics of the war in Iraq. The conclusion of the USSR's policy elite was that invasion was a mistake, and that the invasion was a lost cause long before withdrawal was considered.
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This lead to the converse problem of withdrawal: after invasion and full strategic committment, the vital national interest was political victory itself. This is why, in 1986, the politburo was still worried about who would be in charge of this or that function, who would visit Moscow, who would get how much policy freedom. There was no concern about what interest was at stake, because the sunk political capital became too valuable to lose.
Now, we have to win. Why? Because Bush screwed it up so badly genuine US interests are now at stake.
That said, for Karl Rove to insist that patriotism requires that we be loyal little lemmings and stand by "our man" - - GWB - - simply will not work. If this is to be a bi-partisan war the GOP needs to genuinely share power.
The military instrument is meant to defeat and destroy the will of a nation to fight, and the war material it uses to fight with. A military instrument in combat stance cannot win a political endstate. It is not a failure of troops to fail to secure a politcal victory, because it is not their mission to do so, nor are they trained or equipped to do so. One might as well criticise them for not being able to launch a manned probe to Mars.
In the end, Iraq cannot be won, because there is nothing there to win. It was a move made to reduce the command and control stress - to remove a bullet point from the daily agenda, "contain Saddam's latest bonehead attempt to get WMD".
Define "victory" in one sentence. I submit its Shia / Sunni / Kurd living in peace. Now how does the 101st Airborne possibly do that!
To quote again: A military instrument in combat stance cannot win a political endstate.
I also believe that the meaning behind a sincerely offered toast of http://www.masorti.org.uk/15-05-99.htm] Le Chaim! (To Life!) can be readily translated into any alien language from any alien star system, and embraced by all.
Talk about universal!
‘Never wish someone a long life’, a close friend of the family used to tell me, ‘Wish them a good life’. His comment was based on a double wisdom, firstly that it is not the sheer quantity of life we have that makes us happy, but the quality of it, secondly that there are many people who linger for years in a state of increasing loneliness and mental decline and that this may be far from a blessing. Though Judaism, with its cheerful toast of ‘LeChaim, to Life!’ and its greeting for later landmark birthdays of ‘Bis hundertzwanzig May you live to be a hundred and twenty’ (like Moses), does encourage us to hope for a long life, it teaches us even more to use the time that we have.
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Elsewhere I have suggested this angle:
If our souls and the souls of other sentient species seeded elsewhere in the cosmos will be saved for all eternity will "we" get to meet "them" in heaven?
What if we extinguish ourselves before leaving Earth and "they" colonize thousands of worlds. Will we get the less desirable rooms in the celestial mansion?
:;):
There is a Jesuit brother who has written some intelligent stuff on these subjects including a whole lot of shoulder shrugging and answers like" "Great question - - beats the heck out of me"
Gitmo is an example- nutjobs screaming about all manner of abuses. Denial, denial, denial from the administration.
It wasn't untill the moderate voices simply said, "let us see for ourselves, to prove your side, and disprove the nutjobs," that something happened.
And you know why that is? Reasonable, moderate critics have to be addressed on the same terms or you look like you have something to hide. Raving nutjobs on the other hand can be dismissed as. . . raving nutjobs and hardly anyone gives it another thought. When the nutjobs are in the spotlight the moderate critics have to try that much harder to make their case while distancing themselves from the nutjobs who more often than not have no valid point.
Short of it is, raving nutjobs help the guy they oppose more than anyone else.
Cobra, expend merely 25% of your energy condemning those who say Hillary arranged Vince Foster's murder and that Chelsea Clinton was conceived during a rape and perhaps we can start building consensus.
Bush has not suffered a fraction of the crap thrown at the Clintons.
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/119619main_Grif … df]Griffin sightings continue
Iran & Russia
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Page 16 Griffin promises that this will be the last time the words "spiral development" ever pass his lips. . .
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http://www.transterrestrial.com/archive … ro-Thiokol link linked by Rand Simberg.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050628/pl_ … udges_dc]I love Harry Reid
Nominate any of these four GOP-ers to the Supreme Court and they get an upper-down vote.
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I saw two John Thune signs on I-90 (home town and current town)
Daschle losing may be the best thing that ever happened to the Democrats (open a spot for Reid)
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Oh yeah, Ellsworth AFB also had maps of the nearby Minuteman II missile fields.
That was creepy.
Pearl Harbor.
Still recall the oil bubbiling up.
Yup. Lets see that was about 5 years ago.
The presence of a crying 5 year old daughter ruled out a tour of the battleship Missouri. A Tarawa class Marine troop carrier was docked across the bay from the Arizona memorial. That was pretty cool.
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Just came back from Mt. Rushmore. Only thing bigger than the granite statues themselves was the gift shop.
Saw the Crazy Horse monument the other night along with a night-time dynamite display set to mimic Indian drums. Music via dynamite! The explosions are part of the carving process.
So many exhibits and reminders that the Amer-Indians suffered their final defeats here in the Dakotas. Irony abounds.
The Black Hills are well worth visiting.
I will read a few more posts while lunch is cooking. :;):
I considered getting a motorcycle a few years ago, but between snow, rain and those Michigan potholes it seemed kinda pointless. So I got real job and a wife instead.
Cobra, the eternal romantic.
I traded in a Mustang convertible and a sailboat on similiar terms. A "boat for a little boy" I sometimes tell people.
I have promised myself that when the boy gets a little older we will teach him to sail.
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On Sunday we took a brief tour of Ellsworth AFB and the South Dakota Air & Space Museum. Touched the casing of a real-life nuclear bomb. I believe the working parts had been removed. I hope. :;):
My wife said it gave her the creeps.
Mapquest from Chicago to Mt. Rushmore. 12 miles to I-90; 900 miles on I-90; 30 miles to Mt. Rushmore.
The high plains of South Dakota were way cool in a desolate sort of way and the Missouri River popping up as you crest a hill (on I-90 of course) was breath-taking.
See ya' all later.
First, we need to balance http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mp … 38878]this stuff;
With Florida as a key battleground state and the Texas senator a loyal ally of the President, having a CEV fly with crew on board by 31 December 2010 may be a political necessity if we wish to retire orbiter by 2010.
Cut back on ISS modules and set a CEV on top of a Thiokol stick (the solid parts of which are already paid for in the budget - use sticks that would have gone to STS) and it seems there is a better chance of squeezing CEV funding out of the STS/ISS budget for 2005 - 2010.
On the other hand, do we wish to continue to fly the orbiter until an EELV CEV flies with crew?
Second, my intuition says Griffin will seek a long term blending of t/Space for crew and SDV for cargo. No man rated EELV flights. He wants t/Space but needs a fall back to assure orbiter is cancelled.
(As an aside, GCNRevenger may "hiss" at 30 MT but I also remember an issue being raised about structural ratios and man-rating that EELV does not currently comply with. Behind the scenes, Griffin may be doing everything possible to kill EELV CEV.
Just as EELV was a slam dunk with O'Keefe, the opposite may be true with Griffin and there is NO WAY president Bush was unaware of Griffin's prejudices/preferences on this subject at the tiem he was nominated.)
Thiokol plus J2 allows NASA to fly CEV soon =and= within current budgets which allows Griffin to pacify Senators Nelson and Hutchinson.
Third IF we leverage lunar LOX form the start (or as soon after the start as possible) to leave CEV on orbit and re-use it as much as possible will be a more robust less expensive architecture long term. Once CEV is on-orbit, all we need to lift is crew and methane or LH2.
I would prefer a mechanism that caused them to get even less done. A government working together invariably is working against us. Bleh.
Yep. No government results in me governing me, and that's good government.
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But on a deeper level, I'm not convinced de-escalation is possible, at least not with any meaningful or lasting effects. What we have is a conflict over the fundamental ideas the country will be based on in the future. Now that the Right is increasingly throwing the Constitution out as much as the Left, I don't much care who wins it. Either way we're screwed.
If anything I would prefer to keep the tension high, both Parties are straining under it and both are dividing into essentially two camps. Might as well push them until they break.
Yup. That's pretty much what Rove said. There's no longer anything to talk about.
The problem with American politcs lately is that either party has given up trying to represent the people of America. They simply struggle for dominance to represent one portion of the populace, thus making elections nothing more than either camp attempting to represent their particular constuiency, with no attempt (or little) to try and represent the interests of those within another party.
Thus a Republican win means Democratic leaning individuals go unrepresented, and vice versa.
Politicans represent their Party, instead of the people. And it is only getting worse.
I've started reading Thucidydes again. The interplay of the factions is chilling in light of what is happening today. But like the Hatfields and the McCoys, geting both sides to walk away from the table simultaneously is difficult.
"After you."
"No, after you."
This is why I believe voting (upperdown) on judges in pairs (one named by the WHite House and the other named by Democratic leadership) where both are confirmed or both are denied together is one small mechanism to begin a de-escalation of party combat and to sow the seeds for future cooperation.
This can be agreed upon in the cloakroom and then voted on the floor in conformity with established procedure.
What an idea to make the CEV unnecessarily heavy just for
sending a clear message both to the EELV manufacturers and to the U.S. Air Force, who funded much of the EELV development effort.
What is the message? The message is that Griffin isn't planning on using their rockets.
That's an unusual approach to make the future lunar infrastructure cost effective, I'd say.
Nah.
Once the Thiokol + J2 is built, he will then fund t/Space and SDV will be cargo only thereafter.
Or the 30MT CEV will be re-useable meaning it won't return to Earth from LEO. It will be parked in LEO for future re-fueling and new crews.
Frankly, I rather like that idea.
One EELV vs SDV http://www.geocities.com/launchreport/b … tml]battle update.
What? Whats this? WTH? The CEV now weighs THIRTY metric tonnes??? What happen to twenty??! What in or above the world would you need that much mass for, Griffin?? You are just going to the Moon and back for goodness sakes! Thats all!
...or else he picked a mass that was beyond any of the EELVs OR their direct derivitives on purpose and doesn't actually need the extra 5-10MT... *hissss*
This is one popular interpretation:
...or else he picked a mass that was beyond any of the EELVs OR their direct derivitives on purpose and doesn't actually need the extra 5-10MT... *hissss*
One EELV vs SDV http://www.geocities.com/launchreport/b … tml]battle update.
Rove feeds his base, http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/ne … 1352]steps in icky stuff
If orbiter cannot be retired until http://www.space.com/news/050623_shuttle_bill.html]CEV flies - - how can we possibly afford EELV CEV?
If Griffin cancels 7 or 8 STS to ISS missions and flies a Thiokol CEV before 2010 we can get rid of orbiter without nasty fights from Texas and Florida senators.
Quack!
Justice Scalia is a good, close friend of Dubya...fishing trips and the like.
And Dick Cheney:
Quack! Quack!
:;):
If anyone hates my topic title, create your own.
302? Time to lock?