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Page 72 and page 33 of the Oct. 2005 iss. of Pop Mech has some nice car tech.

Even Sea Dragon is dwarfed by Petronas.

They can do it.

They might not use NK-33 for this--just the stock R-7 with the LH2 upper stage. The launch vehicle is done. They just need the Kliper and a good Centaur rip-off.

That still puts the augmented R-7 Soyuz just even with the Shenzhou Long March and ahead of the old Ariane 4.

Thas right folks. The Long March lofts more than R-7--even with Zenit. Only the UR-500 Proton (also with hypergolics) can launch more.

That won't sit well with Breaux' folks and his replacement. It costs too much to move.

SLC-6 is cursed--and to get to southerly launch points puts you in harms way due to weather.

The EELV plant in Decatur is in North Alabama's tornado alley. Ask the folks who survived 1989's event. It produces both EELVs now--plus Delta II. It might even be able to produce ETs.

If an F-4 hits that--we will have NO space launch capability--outside of un-proven toys.

And Alabama has two tornado seasons--spring and fall.

It's suicide either way. Spend on NASA-rebuilding and they howl--but don't rebuild MAF and they howl worse.

As I see it Michold has to be rebuilt and here is the political reasons why. Florida will have to launch HLLV. But you still play hardball with them

You tell KSC "If you create a big stink we will just shut down NASA in total--you still want those mission control jobs, right? You still have your homes right? So suck it up--and kill orbiter." So KSC learns its place. Michold (not that bad) is rebuilt and you have LA support from the gov't. While they rebuild Marshall designs HLLV, Utah Thiokol has the stick--and you tell the folks in Johnson we will have one last Hubble flight in 2009.(Not really :twisted: )

So you keep support--gut JPL and you still have your launch architecture.

The other NASA centers will feel selfish--and feel bad if they were to criticize a new Michold-centered LV stable using engine-equipped ETs as CEV launchers. That might not sit well with Utah--but ATK still gets their five seg SRBs--so everyone is still happy--and you guilt everyone into building a Michold centered HLLV stable.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums … mentid=860

Korolov knew how to manipulate people. We must emulate his brilliant social engineering (Mitnik style) to succeed.

Anyone have a better plan?

Either that or we will be flying orbiter until Sol goes Red Giant--which is what will happen otherwise.

There are some rumblings about Saturn again though :shock:

Pics of the stick:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums … 4&posts=22

Good news!

There is a new EELV in town.

With engine out-

By a name you may know...

http://www.spacex.com/press18.php
http://www.spacex.com/falcon_9.php

It's a nice site.

It is--woo-woo stuff.

Less so-perhaps:
http://www.xprizenews.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319

Anti-Matter
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30746

Links:
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=22865
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php … post551917

Anything to get HLLVs built.

And we will need HLLV to put the Doppler On Wheels up there

You have to at least promise that--and see what happens down the road. We need to keep Michold to keep the space support. Shut it down and move things to Decatur and the LA residents will howl and not support NASA anymore.

They may want it scrapped to pay for relief as it stands---no need to alienate them more.

Griffin needs to remind folks there that--without a vibrant space program (the Goes weather sats did not develop in a vacuum) the death toll would have been much higher--and it is their obligation to support NASA over rebuilding casinos and such nonsense. The 'aints are already talking about coming to Birmingham's Legion Field, and poor displaced folks are about to be run off by sports fans hogging our hotels.

Leave NASA alone.

Ban football.

Just another way to undercut LV development with more toys.

In belongs in file 13.