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#27 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-05 17:10:27

Based on recent SpaceX flights, the white residue on Starship's nose cone after reentry is from ablative insulation material that became exposed to the high heat of atmospheric entry. This occurred in areas where SpaceX deliberately removed some of the protective tiles for testing.
For example, after a late August 2025 flight, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk confirmed that the discoloration was the result of a thermal protection system experiment.
The purpose of the experiment
Testing different heat shield designs: SpaceX has been experimenting with various thermal protection configurations. On recent flights, the company has intentionally removed some of Starship's heat shield tiles to test different materials, including metallic tiles, and to see if other systems can compensate for missing tiles.
Exposing the insulation: In the areas where the tiles were removed, the underlying white ablative insulation was directly exposed to the high-temperature plasma of reentry.
Creating a white vapor deposit: The extreme heat caused some of this insulation material to vaporize. This vapor then re-condensed as a white coating on the cooler sections of the nose cone.
A different kind of test
The ablative insulation that appeared white after reentry is a departure from the polished steel Starship prototypes. For certain operational versions, like the Human Landing System (HLS) for the moon, a white thermal coat will be used. This is done to reflect sunlight and help with temperature regulation while in space. However, the post-reentry white residue is a byproduct of a specific experimental process, not the intended final coloration

AI Overview
Starship turned orange after re-entry due to experimental metallic heat shield tiles that oxidized, forming iron oxide. This orange color is a result of these metallic test tiles reacting with atomic oxygen in the atmosphere at high speeds, while white patches were from deliberately removed tiles exposing white insulation. This discoloration indicates the success of these new metallic tiles and insulation testing during Flight 10, with Elon Musk confirming the phenomenon was intended to observe these materials.
Details of the Orange Coloration
Metallic Test Tiles:
The primary cause of the orange coloration was the use of experimental metallic heat shield tiles on the flight.
Oxidation:
These metallic tiles, likely stainless steel, oxidized rapidly during re-entry at Mach 25, reacting with the atmospheric oxygen to form a distinct orange, iron oxide layer.
Intended Experiment:
SpaceX deliberately placed these metallic tiles in specific areas and intentionally removed some ceramic tiles to expose the underlying insulation.
White Areas and Insulation
Deliberate Removal:
The white areas seen on Starship are from areas where the standard ceramic heat shield tiles were intentionally removed to test the white insulation beneath.
White Insulation:
This insulation, made of heat-resistant composites, was designed to withstand re-entry temperatures and reflect heat. Unlike the metallic tiles, it did not contain easily oxidizable metals, causing it to retain its white color.
Significance of the Event
Testing and Reusability:
The orange discoloration is not a sign of failure; rather, it's a visual indication of SpaceX's ongoing material science experiments to develop and test new thermal protection systems for future Starship missions, aiming for increased reusability.
Confirmation of Success:
Elon Musk confirmed that the heat shield tiles largely stayed attached, suggesting the latest upgrades are performing well, despite the unusual colors.

#28 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-05 15:13:30

AI Overview
The Bestagons: Starship's Upgraded Heat Shield
Starship currently uses black, hexagonal ceramic heat shield tiles, likely a derivative of the TUFROC material, mounted on a stainless steel hull, to protect it from re-entry temperatures. For the future, SpaceX is exploring a metallic heat shield technology that utilizes the spacecraft's liquid methane to perform film cooling.

Current Ceramic Tiles
Composition: The tiles are made of a toughened, porous, fibrous ceramic material, possibly a version of the TUFROC (Toughened Unipiece Fibrous Reusable Oxidation-Resistant Ceramic) used on other spacecraft.
Color: They are black to help radiate heat away from the vehicle more quickly.
Structure: The tiles are mounted directly onto Starship's stainless steel body.
Function: They are designed to withstand the extreme temperatures of atmospheric re-entry and can be reused for multiple missions.
Future Metallic Heat Shield
Concept:
SpaceX is developing and experimenting with a metallic heat shield system.
Mechanism:
This system incorporates tiny holes in the metallic plates. During re-entry, the liquid fuel (water or methane) seeps through these holes, creating a film that carries away heat and prevents the underlying metal from melting.
Advantages:
Metallic shields offer greater durability, are easier to manufacture in larger sections, and are simpler to repair or replace than ceramic tiles.
Material:
While experimental, the material used for this project is expected to be a heat-resistant alloy or stainless steel.

AI Overview
Starship SN9's Heatshield : r/SpaceXLounge
Starship's metal tiles are composed of SpaceX's proprietary "30X" stainless steel alloy, an evolution from commercially available 301 and 304L grades, featuring custom refinements with potentially higher chromium content for improved corrosion resistance and strength. This proprietary alloy was developed in-house to overcome limitations of previous materials, and while its exact composition is undisclosed, it is an austenitic stainless steel tailored for the extreme conditions of spaceflight.

Evolution of Starship's Materials
Early stages:
Initially, Starship used commercially available stainless steel alloys, such as 301 and 304L.
Transition to proprietary alloy:
SpaceX eventually transitioned to a custom alloy, internally designated "30X," for the vehicle's construction.
Current material:
The current standard for Starship and the Super Heavy booster is this proprietary stainless steel.
Characteristics of the "30X" Alloy
Proprietary development: The "30X" alloy is a custom formulation developed by SpaceX.
Enhanced performance: It incorporates custom refinements and potentially higher chromium content than standard grades, leading to increased resistance to corrosion and degradation.
High-strength properties: The material is an austenitic stainless steel designed to withstand the harsh conditions of space launch and re-entry.
Why Stainless Steel for Starship?
Cost-effectiveness:
Stainless steel is relatively inexpensive compared to other high-strength materials like titanium.
Machinability:
It is easier to machine and work with, which is crucial for constructing large structures like Starship.
Cryogenic strength:
Stainless steel maintains its strength at cryogenic temperatures, essential for spaceflight operations.
Resilience:
The alloy's ability to form a protective oxide layer prevents corrosion and degradation, even after multiple missions

#29 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-04 15:18:17

The tile material sure did not standup to the entry but a shuttle tile system would require lots more prep time. The transpiring would mean thicker metals to widthstand the boiling pressure between the layers that would hold the water or other working fluids.

#30 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-04 15:13:52

We have talked about this in
Starship is Go... Human missions
Landing on Mars Human missions   
VentureStar is it possible now Interplanetary transportation

transpiring heat shield pressure on entrry
When a spacecraft with a transpiring heat shield reenters the atmosphere, pressure is used to force a coolant through a porous surface. The coolant absorbs heat and forms a protective gas layer, which creates its own internal pressure that interacts with the high-pressure shockwave from the atmosphere to protect the vehicle.
Mechanism of transpiration cooling
High-pressure coolant injection: A pressurized coolant, such as a gas or liquid, is stored inside the vehicle. For reentry, a gas like Argon is often used. This coolant is forced through thousands of small pores or channels in the heat shield's surface.
Heat absorption: As the coolant travels through the porous wall, it absorbs a portion of the vehicle's internal heat via convection. If the coolant is a liquid, it also absorbs a large amount of heat during its phase change into a gas (evaporative cooling).
Boundary layer interaction: Upon exiting the pores, the cold coolant gas creates a protective film or cushion between the heat shield's surface and the superheated atmospheric gas. This "thermal blowing effect" reduces heat transfer from the extremely hot boundary layer to the vehicle.
Pressure coupling: The high-pressure injection of the coolant into the boundary layer pushes the hot atmospheric gas away from the surface. This creates a pressure gradient that helps to keep the cold gas layer stable and prevents the hot, turbulent air from reaching the surface.
Managing pressure on entry
The immense pressure on a spacecraft during atmospheric reentry is caused by rapidly compressing the air ahead of it. A transpiring heat shield manages this pressure in several ways:
Balancing internal and external pressure: To ensure proper functioning, the internal pressure used to push the coolant out must be sufficient to overcome the external stagnation pressure of the air rushing past the vehicle. Advanced systems can couple the coolant injection velocity to the wall pressure to maintain optimal performance.
Preventing turbulence: If the internal pressure is too high, the injected coolant can cause the boundary layer to transition from a stable laminar flow to a more chaotic and destructive turbulent flow. This can decrease the heat shield's effectiveness and even increase heat transfer in some cases.
Adapting to conditions: The transpiration cooling system must be actively controlled to optimize the coolant flow rate for different speeds and altitudes during reentry. High heat load areas, such as the nose cone of a capsule, may require more coolant injection than others.
Advantages and disadvantages
Transpiration cooling is a promising technology for next-generation reusable spacecraft, but it has trade-offs compared to traditional heat shields.
Advantages
High reusability: Unlike ablative heat shields, which burn away on a single use, a transpiring heat shield can be used multiple times.
Active control: The system allows for dynamic adjustment of cooling based on real-time flight conditions.
Reduced mass: The protective layer of gas allows for lighter-weight protective materials compared to passive shields.
Disadvantages
Complexity: An active cooling system is more complex than a passive one, adding potential points of failure.
Vulnerability: The pores in the heat shield could become blocked, which could cause local overheating and potentially lead to catastrophic failure.
Pressure management: Balancing the internal coolant pressure against the external atmospheric pressure is a significant engineering challenge, and mistakes can lead to reduced efficiency or even greater heat loads

#31 Re: Life support systems » Solar chimeys - Feasible? » 2025-09-03 17:38:44

A "hot chimney updraft pipe" is the central component of a chimney system where an updraft, or the upward flow of hot exhaust gases, is created and maintained. This upward movement is driven by the principle that hot air is less dense than cold air, causing it to rise.
How the updraft works
The updraft is the engine of a chimney, pulling smoke and combustion gases out of a building and supplying the fire with fresh oxygen.
Temperature difference: The heat from a fire warms the air and gases inside the chimney, making them lighter than the cooler air outside. This temperature difference causes the hot, lighter air to rise.
Pressure difference: The rising hot air creates a negative pressure (low-pressure area) inside the chimney, which pulls air from the firebox and the surrounding area upward. Meanwhile, higher-pressure atmospheric air is pushed into the appliance's air intake, feeding the fire with oxygen.
Continuous cycle: This process establishes a continuous cycle of airflow that ensures smoke and dangerous carbon monoxide are vented safely outside.
Factors affecting the updraft
Several factors can influence the strength and reliability of a chimney's updraft:
Chimney height: A taller chimney generally produces a stronger updraft because it increases the pressure difference between the top and bottom of the flue. The general rule for residential systems is that the chimney pipe must be at least 3 feet above the roof and 2 feet taller than anything within 10 feet.
Temperature difference: A greater temperature difference between the inside and outside air results in a stronger draft. For example, a cold chimney can cause a reverse draft or "backdraft" when you first start a fire.
Obstructions: Blockages like soot, creosote, or debris can restrict airflow and weaken the draft.
Negative air pressure: Air-tight modern homes can create a negative pressure environment that works against the chimney's natural draft. Installing a combustion air kit or opening a window slightly can help.
Pipe configuration: Excessive bends or horizontal runs in a chimney pipe can decrease the draft, as each turn adds friction and slows the airflow.
Solving updraft issues
If a chimney isn't drafting properly, it can fill a room with smoke, which is a serious health and safety hazard. Solutions include:
Pre-heating the flue: To fix a cold backdraft, you can warm the flue with a rolled-up, lit newspaper or a heat gun for a few minutes before starting the fire. This creates a small, initial updraft to get the system working correctly.
Proper sealing: Seal any gaps or cracks around the fireplace or chimney to prevent air leaks.
Damper installation: Consider installing an air damper to better regulate airflow.
Wind considerations: A chimney cap with a special design, such as a Vacu-Stack, can prevent wind from blowing back down the chimney

#32 Re: Home improvements » Misc. Home Projects » 2025-09-03 16:25:02

saddened to hear your hard work has broken due to mother nature...

#33 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-03 16:16:58

found the image comparison that I had wished to see.

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#36 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-02 15:32:55

Sure would be nice to see the other side as its hard to tell what side is being shown.
Sure has burn holes in multiple locations

#38 Re: Meta New Mars » Housekeeping » 2025-09-02 15:14:32

Not only able to log in but here is the link to what my house looked like in late november 2024
http://40.75.112.55/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=11

create this topic How to create an image attachment

#39 Re: Life support systems » Solar chimeys - Feasible? » 2025-09-01 15:12:45

AI Overview     
For the flow of air exiting a pipe, the updraft velocity is a function of the thermal energy input (heat) and is described by the principles of the stack effect. In this phenomenon, heated air is less dense and creates a pressure difference that drives the flow.

The updraft equation links the thermal energy, which is characterized by the temperature difference, to the resulting mass flow rate. Stack effect equation for flow rate The stack effect equation is a practical model for calculating the flow rate Q generated by a temperature differential. Q=C_{d}A\sqrt{2gH\frac{T_{i}-T_{o}}{T_{i}}} 

where: 
Q = flow rate typically in cubic feet per minute or m^{3}/s
C_{d} = discharge coefficient (for a smooth pipe opening, usually 0.65 to 0.70
A = cross-sectional area of the pipe m^{2}
g = gravitational acceleration 9.81\,m/s^{2}H = effective height of the pipe mT_{i} = average indoor or internal temperature (Kelvin)T_{o} = outdoor or external temperature (Kelvin) 
This equation can be simplified for an enclosed pipe with a known height and a large opening.
It shows that flow rate is directly proportional to the square root of the temperature difference, T_{i}-T_{o}. 
Relating thermal energy input to temperature change 
The thermal energy input is related to the change in the air's internal temperature by the fundamental heat transfer equation: q=\.{m}c_{p}\Delta T where: q = rate of heat input W or J/s\.{m} = mass flow rate of air kg/sc_{p} = specific heat capacity of air at constant pressure 1005\,J/(kg\cdot K)\Delta T = change in temperature of the air as it passes through the pipe K Calculating updraft velocity To determine the velocity v of the exiting air, you can use the mass flow rate \.{m} and the air's final density \rho _{exit}: v=\frac{\.{m}}{\rho _{exit}A} where: \.{m} = mass flow rate kg/s\rho _{exit} = density of the air exiting the pipe kg/m^{3}A = cross-sectional area of the pipe m^{2} 
By linking these equations, you can model how a specific thermal energy input q translates into a temperature change, which then drives the air flow Q and determines the exit velocity v.
The updraft is a self-sustaining process driven by the buoyancy created from the thermal energy input

#42 Re: Human missions » Whither the ISS? » 2025-09-01 14:56:21

Video NASA's New Space Station Has A Big Problem

NASA’s next-generation space station, built by Axiom Space, is meant to replace the ISS and pave the way for commercial space habitats. But behind the excitement, there’s a major problem that could jeopardize the entire project.

Indicates money issues and mismanagement but the first unit to be complete in 2025 and launched to connect to the Harmony side of the ISS.

#43 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-09-01 14:35:29

AI Overview
SpaceX's Starship can carry a maximum of 100 metric tons of payload to the Moon, but this requires refueling the spacecraft in Earth's orbit. Without orbital refueling, Starship's cargo capacity for a lunar mission is significantly reduced.

Orbital refueling for lunar missions
Because Starship is designed for full reusability, it expends most of its propellant getting into Earth orbit. To have enough fuel to travel to the Moon, land, and return, it must be refueled by multiple "tanker" Starships in low-Earth orbit (LEO).

Mission architecture: This architecture involves launching a Starship lunar mission vehicle into LEO, followed by several tanker Starship launches to transfer propellant.

Payload capacity: With in-orbit refueling, the Starship Human Landing System (HLS) variant is designed to land up to 100 tons of payload on the lunar surface.

Number of refuels: The exact number of tanker flights required is still under development, with estimates ranging from 4 to over a dozen.

Payload for NASA's Artemis missions

For NASA's Artemis program, Starship will serve as the Human Landing System (HLS), which will ferry astronauts from lunar orbit to the surface. The HLS variant of Starship is specifically designed with modifications for lunar landing and operation.
Crew and cargo: The HLS includes features like an elevator to deploy crew and cargo to the lunar surface.

Recent progress: As of late August 2025, a Starship test flight successfully deployed a test payload into Earth orbit, a crucial step towards demonstrating its payload capabilities. However, the much larger challenge of orbital refueling has yet to be demonstrated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_HLS

AI Overview
An on-orbit payload half-fueled for a lunar mission is a theoretical scenario that does not align with SpaceX's current plan for Starship. For crewed lunar missions, the Starship Human Landing System (HLS) variant is designed to be fully fueled in low Earth orbit (LEO) by multiple tanker flights before departing for the Moon.

The main reason for this full refueling is the physics of orbital mechanics:

Massive fuel requirement: A Starship carrying a significant payload requires nearly its full fuel load to achieve a lunar trajectory and land on the surface. It must rendezvous with multiple tanker Starships in LEO to receive enough liquid oxygen and methane to top off its tanks.

Delta-V demand: The change in velocity (delta-V) required to leave LEO, travel to the Moon, and descend to the surface is very high. A fully fueled Starship with a payload is designed to use almost all of its propellant for this portion of the mission.

Lunar landing: Unlike returning to Earth where atmospheric drag can assist with deceleration, the Moon's lack of atmosphere means the Starship must perform a propulsive, or rocket-powered, landing. This requires a substantial amount of fuel.
The Artemis III mission profile

As an example, consider NASA's Artemis III mission, which will use a Starship HLS to land astronauts on the lunar surface. The planned mission profile highlights why a half-fueled payload is not feasible:
A Starship HLS launches with its payload into LEO.

The HLS is met by 10 to 20 tanker Starships to transfer propellant.
Once fully fueled, the Starship HLS departs Earth orbit for the Moon.
After landing, the HLS uses its engines to lift off from the lunar surface and return to lunar orbit, where it is not required to return to Earth as part of the initial contract.

While early estimates from SpaceX indicated that only half-refueling might be necessary for the lunar HLS mission due to lower gravity, the most recent information and assessments suggest a much higher number of refueling flights are needed to fill the tanks completely. This is also due to the possibility of "boil-off," the evaporation of cryogenic propellants in orbit, which reduces the amount of usable fue

AI Overview
While specific fuel amounts are subject to change during development, SpaceX's Starship Human Landing System (HLS) requires a full propellant load of roughly 1,200 tons to return from the lunar surface to lunar orbit. This is followed by a journey back to Earth and is made possible by extensive refueling in Earth orbit.

The departure profile for an Artemis mission
The Starship HLS lunar departure is part of a larger, complex mission architecture designed in cooperation with NASA for the Artemis program.

Astronaut transfer: After exploring the lunar surface, astronauts board the Starship HLS from the Moon's surface.
Lift-off from the Moon: Using its powerful Raptor engines, the Starship HLS launches vertically from the lunar surface. It will use a combination of vacuum-optimized Raptor engines for primary ascent and side-mounted cold-gas or RCS thrusters for final adjustments and to mitigate lunar dust kick-up near the surface.

Rendezvous in lunar orbit: The Starship HLS will then rendezvous and dock with a waiting Orion spacecraft in a Near-Rectilinear Halo Orbit (NRHO).
Transfer and return: The crew will transfer from Starship back into the Orion capsule, which will then transport them back to Earth.

Why Starship needs to refuel for the moon mission
Unlike the Apollo lunar module, which was much smaller and had a two-stage design with a disposable ascent stage, Starship is a fully reusable, single-stage-to-orbit-from-the-moon system. It requires a significant amount of fuel for every stage of its journey:
Leaving Earth orbit (Trans-Lunar Injection): The ship needs fuel to depart low Earth orbit (LEO) and head toward the Moon.

Landing on the Moon: Maneuvering into lunar orbit and performing a soft landing requires a substantial amount of propellant.
Leaving the Moon: Taking off from the lunar surface to rendezvous with the Orion capsule in NRHO requires a very large amount of fuel.

The role of orbital refueling
Due to Starship's mass and the fuel needed for the round trip, it is impossible for a single launch to carry all the necessary propellant.

Tanker flights: Multiple Starship tanker vehicles will launch from Earth and refuel a Starship propellant depot in Earth orbit.
Depot rendezvous: The Starship HLS for the lunar mission will launch, dock with the depot, and take on its full load of fuel before departing for the Moon. SpaceX's orbital refueling system is currently still under developmen

#44 Re: Meta New Mars » Housekeeping » 2025-09-01 13:54:44

tahanson43206 wrote:

For the record, here are the NewMars members currently set up to log into the phpBB3 NewMars test site.

The test site is able to accept images for display on the NewMars site via link.

SpaceNut
GW  Johnson
RobertDyck
Calliban

The login address is: http://40.75.112.55/phpBB3/ucp.php?mode … =index.php

The password is whatever you set when you opened the account.  Most likely it is the same as you use on NewMars.

(th)

I have forgotten my account password from so long ago and the email option did not seem to function.
Then again its been over a year since I was last able to get on a real computer.
Currently I am using the laptop. Send to my email if you would.
Thank
You

#45 Re: Human missions » Falcon Heavy, but then what? » 2025-09-01 10:12:39

AI Overview


The Falcon Heavy has a maximum payload of 63,800 kg (140,700 lbs) to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) when fully expendable and about 26,700 kg (58,860 lbs) to Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO). With boosters recovered, the LEO payload is around 57,000 kg, decreasing further if the core stage is also recovered. The payload capacity depends on the mission profile and whether the boosters are recovered for reuse.
Payload Capacities by Orbit and Mode

Fully Expendable:
LEO: 63,800 kg (140,700 lbs)
GTO: 26,700 kg (58,860 lbs)

Mars: 16,800 kg (37,040 lbs)
With Boosters Recovered:
LEO: ~57,000 kg (126,000 lbs)

Key Factors Influencing Payload Mass

Expendability:
The highest payload mass is achieved in a fully expendable configuration, where booster recovery is not prioritized, and therefore all available fuel is used for lift.
Booster Recovery:

Recovering the two side boosters and the center core reduces the rocket's maximum lift capability to space because less fuel is available for the mission, according to Wikipedia.
Mission Profile:

The intended orbit and trajectory for the payload significantly impact the required launch energy and, consequently, the maximum attainable payload mass, notes Space Exploration Stack Exchange.

Comparison or the

AI Overview
For version 2 of Starship, SpaceX promised a payload mass of 100–150 metric tons to low-Earth orbit (LEO) in a fully reusable configuration. This represents a significant increase over the payload capacity of its predecessor, Block 1.

Payload mass by version
While SpaceX continues to rapidly iterate, the progression of Starship payload capabilities can be tracked by its different "Blocks".

Block 1: An early version used for orbital test flights, with a reusable payload mass of about 15 tons.

Block 2 (Current): Features a stretched propellant tank, reduced dry mass, and a more robust heat shield design. This allows it to meet the promised reusable payload capacity of 100 to 150 metric tons.

Block 3 (Future): This next-generation version is expected to further increase payload to 200 metric tons in a reusable configuration and up to 400 metric tons in an expendable mode. It will be taller and will use more powerful Raptor 3 engines.
Factors influencing version 2 payload

The higher performance of Starship version 2 compared to version 1 is achieved through several key upgrades:
Stretched tanks: Increases propellant capacity to boost performance.
Reduced dry mass: Optimizes the vehicle's structural design to carry more payload relative to its own weight.

Advanced heat shield: Enhances thermal protection during re-entry to improve reusability.
Upgraded avionics: Supports more complex missions and capabilities, such as on-orbit refueling.

Primary payloads for version 2

A primary driver for the increased payload capacity is the deployment of next-generation Starlink satellites, known as "V3" satellites.
Each V3 satellite is much larger and heavier than previous versions.

A single Starship launch is expected to deploy a massive number of V3 satellites, potentially adding 20 times the network capacity of a Falcon 9 launch.

In addition to Starlink, the version 2 Starship will also be used for other critical missions, including the Human Landing System (HLS) for NASA's Artemis program

#46 Re: Meta New Mars » Housekeeping » 2025-08-31 16:47:36

The usernames TestID* are not in the banned and the last id created is TestID18375.

#47 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Drag Aerodynamic » 2025-08-31 11:29:14

This part of a rockets landing equations where the molecular content with the amount of resistance to movement and changes heat build up due to the friction that an atmoshere.

#48 Re: Meta New Mars » Housekeeping » 2025-08-31 11:20:23

I just check the list of Banned and these are the unconverted accounts that remain. such as username Ufo_man is now testun1 as I need to find where it was left off at.
I was first removed from the banned list then the username was updated in the profile and set to inactive.
The old account shows 3 posts and while can set the post counter to 0 we might delete topics if they hold the first post if not removed so that the remaining discusion stays.

#49 Re: Human missions » Falcon Heavy, but then what? » 2025-08-31 11:08:13

They forget that its been a main stay for making money for Elon to continue refining the BFR and Starship that will have a much lower flight rate which will rise costs even when its reused.

Sure its just 63 mT versus the promised 100 mT for starship which is not designed for the cargo or manned use at this time.

AI Overview
Falcon 9 has become the all time leader in cargo mass ...

The SpaceX Falcon 9's payload capacity depends on the specific version and whether the first stage is recovered. A fully expendable Falcon 9 can carry 22,800 kg (50,265 lbs) to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and 8,300 kg (18,300 lbs) to a Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO). However, for reusable Falcon 9 flights, the payload to LEO is reduced to approximately 18,500 kg (40,800 lbs) and to GTO, it is around 5,500 kg (12,100 lbs).

Here's a breakdown of Falcon 9 payload mass limitations:
Expendable vs. Reusable

Expendable:
When the first stage is not recovered and expended, the payload capacity is at its maximum.

Reusable:
To enable the first stage to land and be reused, the rocket carries less propellant, resulting in a reduced payload mass to orbit.
Orbital Targets
Low Earth Orbit (LEO): A lower orbit, where the payload can often be heavier.
Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO): A higher, more challenging orbit, which typically lowers the rocket's available payload capacity.

Specific Figures for Falcon 9 Block 5 (Current Generation)
LEO: 22,800 kg (expendable) / 18,500 kg (reusable)
GTO: 8,300 kg (expendable) / 5,500 kg (reusable)

#50 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2025-08-30 17:58:24

From what I read it did do a single engine burn but not for long as it was testing reigniting the engine in a vaccumn before it did a deburn from orbit. From what is described the starship look fairly beat up as it neared the ocean showing lots of burning on its skin.

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