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#26 Re: Human missions » Article about colonizing Mars - Does someone remember this? » 2005-02-10 19:40:45

I doubt that anybody would cough up several billions for seats on Mars missions.

They would not cough up billions of dollars of currency, but billions of dollars worth of equipment is entirely possible.

#27 Re: Human missions » Article about colonizing Mars - Does someone remember this? » 2005-02-10 17:49:54

You can't just go and claim the whole moon, especially when no one has been there in over 30 years. I think that Antarctica should set the precedents for ownership of objects in space.

#28 Re: Not So Free Chat » royal marriage to Camilla Parker Bowles: April 8 - WILL YOU BE THERE? » 2005-02-10 17:43:28

Why do people care so much about the personal lives of the royal family?  It seems unlikely that this marriage will have any noticeable affect on anyone here.

#29 Re: Human missions » Hubble Mistake **2** - Action still Needed » 2005-02-09 13:13:56

-No facilities exsist for manned Soyuz launchers from French Guiana, and would take time to construct. Time Hubble doesn't have. It takes a little more then a launch pad to fly a manned Soyuz.

Aren't they already building Soyuz facilities in French Guiana?

#30 Re: Not So Free Chat » New free chat issue - Opinions? » 2005-02-07 14:11:52

I have read a hypothesis that autoimmune diseases like asthma and some types of diabetes might be caused by excessive hygiene.  There seems to be some pretty good evidence supporting this idea, such as how the probability of these diseases occurring appears to be proportional to the people's standard of living.

#31 Re: Human missions » A new EELV v SDV - A new spacedaily opinion piece » 2005-02-07 12:52:11

Some have also estimated that the Delta IV may inflict 25-27g loads upon any CEV.

Whoever came up with that estimate is clearly wrong.  Based on engine thrust payload mass and stage masses, the CEV should experience a peak acceleration of around 3.5g at the first stage burnout.

While Jeff Wright makes some good points, he is clearly not an objective observer and many(or even most) of the figures he uses are exaggerated.  Be skeptical about all of his claims.

As I have been posting for months, it still seems to me that a 5 segment RSRM with an RL-10 cluster or RL-60 upper stage can throw cargo to LEO at a lower cost than any other US option.

I think that that option will cost more than you believe it will.  You need to consider all of the costs involved in actually launching a vehicle rather than just building it.  It will also require a second stage that is much more powerful than normal to compensate for the low performance of SRBs.  In addition, unlike with CEV the acceleration for the SRB vehicle could actually be enough to cause some major problems.

#32 Re: Human missions » Return to flight slipping » 2005-02-05 18:13:41

The damage to the shuttle would probably be damage to the wings rather than to the life support.  Shuttle and ISS would still have trouble supporting a full crew for an extended period of time, but the situation should not be too critical if you only sent up around 4 astronauts on the shuttle rather than 7.  Later, when the ISS is more complete and better supplied, it will be capable of supporting more people.

#33 Re: Human missions » Finally, a sensible solution to the Hubble debate - ... that we can all agree on...maybe. » 2005-02-04 22:58:52

Now you argue against one service mission against replacement cost assuming the replacement will last at least a decade. Hubble required its first service immediately after it was launched. How many years or just months would the new one last before it requires replacement? The point is if you can't get service cost down your alternative is to pay both replacement and service cost for the new one, or worse yet have to replace it completely very frequently such as every year or so. To repeat this point, if you can't get service for Hubble down to where it's affordable, you can't afford to launch any other telescope. Do we want to restrict all space operations to short-duration probes? Or do we shut down the entire space program and save the American taxpayer $16 billion per year (and the Canadian taxpayer $300 million/year).

Hubble was launched with an improperly ground mirror, which was why it’s initial images did not have the expected resolution.  It is not like it broke soon after launch, it was defective to begin with.  If Hubble II is not broken to begin with, we can expect it to last at least 5-10 years.  Saying that we will have to launch new telescopes every year is simply ridiculous.

Your other claims are even stranger.  How exactly does the high cost of Hubble servicing missions cause new telescopes to be unaffordable?  Why should we restrict ourselves to short duration probes when we have already launched probes that have operated for decades without maintenance?  What leaps of illogic did you go through to conclude that NASA should be shut down if Hubble isn’t serviced?

Using the mirror and cameras built for Hubble is generally a good idea. However, as I said my opinion is that we need to ensure we can service a telescope and keep costs down before launching anything else. This will be the last service of Hubble, it's life will eventually come to an end. Then we should launch a dramatically improved telescope. I would suggest starting with medium Earth orbit (MEO) where it's orbit is stable without using fuel. That would require a manned vehicle that can travel from LEO (where any shuttle would park) to MEO and back. An on-orbit tug with a CEV style capsule could do it, but we don't have it yet. Yes, I would like that vehicle to be reusable as well. Also give it a larger mirror; a single-piece large mirror could be launched on edge to keep aerodynamics down. Russia proposed launching a disk shaped lander for Mars on the side of an Energia. If Russia can do it, can't America? Let the engineers debate whether it's better to side launch like Shuttle-C or on top of an EELV. Do you think astronomers would like a 24 metre space telescope? But we're not ready for that yet, so let's keep Hubble.

NASA has been complaining that it is too expensive or too dangerous to service Hubble in LEO with the shuttle.  Sending astronauts to MEO via shuttle tug and capsule would be much more dangerous and expensive.  If we send a telescope to any orbit besides LEO, then we are not going to have people servicing it.

There is also no point in having a single 24-meter mirror.  The sheer weight of something like that would be prohibitive.  Even large ground-based telescopes use segmented mirrors now, so it makes no sense not to do the same if you are going to use a mirror that big.

#34 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV III - Continued from previous » 2005-02-04 15:12:22

Depends on your perspective doesn’t it. Can the US compete in the international launch market either way?

If the dollar keeps getting weaker, then the US certainly should be able to compete in the international launch market.

#35 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV III - Continued from previous » 2005-02-03 19:50:42

Slush hydrogen is not supposed to increase the Isp at all, it is supposed to increase the density.  You can get a little bit higher Isp with methane than with kerosene, but it also has a significantly lower density.  The decrease in density is usually enough to keep methane from being preferred over kerosene.

#36 Re: Not So Free Chat » A great gift for our children to worry about? » 2005-02-03 12:16:55

I think that we can be fairly certain that the dramatic rise in atmospheric CO2 concentrations over the last 150 years is a direct result of human activities.  What is less certain is how much that increase in CO2 has affected the global climate.  Even less certain is how much it will affect the climate in the future.  We think that it is responsible for the slight warming trend that has been observed in recent years, but it is hard to get an exact quantification of it's effect, or an accurate estimate of what the future effects will be.

#37 Re: Not So Free Chat » McCarthyism - ...will it rise again? » 2005-02-02 18:17:03

If plasma cannons become effective, reasonably affordable, and easily obtainable, then I think that criminals will start using them too.  If chemical, biological, or tactical nuclear weapons were cheap and legal, I think that you would see some criminals using them as well.  Should they be allowed to?  I think that you have to set limits somewhere.

In any case, a group of people armed with semi-automatic pistols is not going to be able to defeat a modern military.  I don't think that the "we need guns so we can start an insurrection if necessary" argument is very credible in the current era.

#38 Re: Not So Free Chat » McCarthyism - ...will it rise again? » 2005-02-02 17:43:33

Pro-terrorist how exactly?

What else do you call a bunch of armed militants trying to overthrow the government?

As for the national Guard interpretation, it's a common myth, a sort of McCarthyism of the Left. Only other writings from the period, the writings of the Founders themselves, the Amendment's placement in the Bill of Rights with the use of the term "the people" and numerous court rulings refute this interpretation.

There are also numerous court rulings that support that interpretation.  It also makes sense since the National Guard is the only well regulated militia that I know of which has an important role in national security.

Add on top of that the fact that police are neither capable of protecting anyone before a crime is committed nor do they have a duty to do so and this entire perversion of the Second Amendment is not only logically indefensible but morally reprehensible. To deny people the means to protect themselves then not provide that defense by other means forces citizens to choose between endangering themselves at the hands of criminals or becoming criminals themselves by violating the unjust law and in the process undermines the government and makes it a force against the people. Find out how to assign every American an armed guard and it's a valid, if screwy position, otherwise it's complete nonsense.

The problem is that every time you give people better weapons to defend themselves, you are also giving other people better weapons to attack them with.  If you let people have whatever weapons they want, then you will end up with an arms race that the criminals will win.

#39 Re: Not So Free Chat » McCarthyism - ...will it rise again? » 2005-02-02 16:54:45

2nd amendment:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It certainly appears to be talking about the National Guard.  I don't think that it is intended to be pro-terrorist.

#40 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct *2* - ...continue here. » 2005-02-02 14:58:00

Experience shows that larger rockets trump massed produced small rockets in terms of cost/lb to LEO.  This relative advantage grows if you want to go farther away from Earth than LEO.  Even if you ignore the difficulty in managing a flotilla of small craft and the failure modes added by having three separate refueling per mission, I don't see how the swarm of small vehicles could be more economical than a large vehicle.

#41 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Super Sail to Mars - Boiling paint with microwaves » 2005-02-01 22:05:28

Orbit a nuclear reactor. Attach a microwave generator.

Does it even have to be orbited?

#42 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Super Sail to Mars - Boiling paint with microwaves » 2005-02-01 22:03:55

It turns a solar sail into a sort of solar thermal rocket.  It could be useful, but I wonder what sort of Isp range it is expected to have.  If the Isp isn't high enough then the sail would not be worth using even if the microwave generator were free.

#43 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potpourri II - Continued from previous » 2005-02-01 15:47:40

Damned UN, what then is their definition of "genocide"?

Genocide: something that only happens in countries that don't have any friends who are permanent members of the UN Security Council.

#44 Re: Human missions » Orion Starship - Orion Starship » 2005-02-01 12:25:32

d1^2=a1
d2^2=2a1
d2=sqrt(2d1^2)=sqrt(2)*d1

A highschool student could do it. tongue Do you want a geometric construction now instead of one based on calculators or radicals?

The geometric construction is equally trivial. 

MR, why do you think that we should limit ourselves to the mathematics and science used by the anchient greeks?  Much more powerful and usefull mathematical tecniques have been developed since then.  It makes no sense to only use outdated ideas and methods when we now have something that is clearly better.

#45 Re: Life support systems » Iss Plant growth experiments - planning the future in 0g » 2005-01-31 22:50:26

You would have to devote a lot of resources to the project if you wanted the astronauts to be able to grow all of their own food.  That is why they are starting with small scale expiraments.

#46 Re: Human missions » Orion Starship - Orion Starship » 2005-01-31 21:30:48

Newtonian physics is classical physics.  Modern physics is based on people like Einstein, Plank, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, etc.

#47 Re: Human missions » Orion Starship - Orion Starship » 2005-01-31 18:22:18

Unless someone demonstrates a method for creating such exotic matter, or at least a clear theoretical path that has no physical law roadblocks, then it is not a valid point of contention to FTL travel.

The other thing that has to happen is that someone will have to figure out a way that things can go FTL in a relativistic universe without going back in time.  Either that or they will have to resolve all of the paradoxes that happen when something does go back in time.

#48 Re: Interplanetary transportation » VASIMR for LEO Launches? - What prevents it? » 2005-01-31 17:56:07

The power it takes to accelerate the fuel is equal to the mass flow rate times the square of the exhaust velocity(P=mC^2).  In other words, power equals thrust times exhaust velocity(P=TC).  This is a basic result of kinematics and applies to all types of engines, not just VASIMR.  All electric engines are basically power-limited, so you have to make a trade off between thrust and Isp.

There is a lot of hype around VASIMR, but it helps to remember that it is just another electric engine, and that it is bound by the same restrictions that apply to other electric engines.  According to its proponents, VASIMR will be thottleable through a wider range of Isp than current electric engines and have a higher power density.  It will also not have any problems will grids wearing out and having to be replaced.  However, as nice as these advantages are, they are all evolutionary rather than revolutionary.  Modern ion engines are already at least 60% efficient, and they typically weigh less than 20% as much as the power plants that they need to run them.  Since electric engines have already gotten this advanced, much more improvement can be gained through work on power plants than on the electric engines themselves.

No practical concieved power plant, even a fusion reactor, would give you enough power to push the weight of the reactor off the ground either with VASIMR. It will be beyond any doubt limited to in-space maneuvering only without some far-future super fusion reactor. A secondary engine with much more thrust would be needed.

Definitely true.  Even a nuclear thermal engine has difficulty getting off the ground on Earth, and nuclear thermal engines can have a much higher specific power than any nuclear electric engine due to the lack of things like radiators and turbines.

Also, unless someone comes up with a portable fusion reactor or a next-generation (or perhaps a revolutionary) fission reactor, then there are no practical power plants light enough to operate a VASIMR even for efficent space-only flight.

Current/near term power plants would be able to operate a VASIMR in space without any problems.  Just don’t expect it to get you to Mars in a month or anything like that.

#49 Re: Interplanetary transportation » VASIMR for LEO Launches? - What prevents it? » 2005-01-31 00:55:31

When people say that VASIMR can have a high thrust, they mean that it has a high thrust compared to other high-Isp electric engines.  The thrust is still very low compared to chemical engines, and it is not enough to overcome the Earth's gravity.

#50 Re: Human missions » Orion Starship - Orion Starship » 2005-01-30 22:11:21

Professor Hawkins has proven a multi-verse exists ( with many different universes with different properties each different to each other including our universe)

No, he hasn't.

Hyperspace has also be proven through science to exist, but yet our technology hasn't establish a method to access and use it.

No, it hasn't.

remember the laws of physics keep changing as our understanding increases.

People can't change the laws of physics.

It was science fiction that has show the science reality the way before the science reality has proven it works....200 years ago we didn't have cars or planes or electricity all not practical and now look at us, don't think we can't find that hyperspace does work and how to access it in the next 200 years.

There are also a lot of science fiction ideas that have proved to impossible or impractical.

Cold fusion was a myth , now fact.

Cold fusion is still a myth.

Faith , openess to new ideas, and a drive to discover is the heart of a true pioneer and explorer.

Openness to new ideas can be a good trait, but blind faith in ideas that have little/no evidence to support them is usually counterproductive.

You are " limited speed "  person similar to " flat earth " person, that is what it sounds like from what your have typed.

I think that people who say they know how to create a vehicle that can exceed the speed of light are a lot more like "flat Earth" people then people who don't claim to know any way to violate relativity.

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