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As far as trying to use metal to build that space station, it pretty much a lost cause. You have to make too many launches to get a sufficient amount of metal to be able to build a sufficiently big enough space station to make the effort feasible even in the next twenty thirty year time frame. If we try it, we will only have a more glorified ISS space station to show for it and still not get the job done that you say you want done.

But, if your still bent on putting up such a White Elephant, the best effort to be able to get such a project done would be to bag it and use polymers and epoxies to build that space station. Take bag out there that several hundred feet to maybe thousand feet or so and turn a rocket engine backward into the bag and inflate it to full size. Then go across that carbon fiber bag with other carbon fiber pieces to thicken outside wall and add strength to the outside wall. Add radiation shielding and insulation and other such things. Also put carbon fibered cords for structural strength of the space station. It has the advantage of not having all those seams that can leak on you. Beside, once you have the outside layer, you can increasingly be able to project the Astronauts from harmful radiation and such. You also have a foundation to work off of to support future projects some time in the future.

Larry,

That why I qualified what we wanted to do with those investments. That why those goals were stated so everyone will know what we want to accomplish. Now there will be some companies that will make money, which is perfectly OK, we expect companies to make money on there government contracts. That what there in business for. We expect Union Jobs created also, that was one of the reason for building those project. We expected to create good paying Union Jobs to be create. We expected to be generating hundreds of billions to maybe one trillion dollars of Government credit per year to finance these infrastructural projects. On these infrastructural building projects, I figure that we will be creating between 8 to 12 million new jobs that will be created building those projects. So there going to be a lot of business bidding on those government contracts and a lot of Union Jobs being created in the process of building those infrastructural projects. Actually, we wanted thousand of US Companies bidding on US Government contracts and we wanted millions of Union Jobs created as a result of our activities. We don't really consider that a major problem and would like to do the following things.

I personally would like to see the President sign into law the act to build these things:

1. Sixty to seventy subway system in the major city of the United States.

2. Build and Amtrak passenger train system to every major US City on the Continent of North America. I would like it to be a levitated Rail System that goes at three to four hundred miles an hour.

3. Water projects of NAWAPA, dikes, dames, levies, locks, etc. To promote the development of the water supply inside the United States.

4. Nuclear Power of fission power and the commitment to develop fusion power for future use.

5. Would like to see an economic summit of all the major nation to carry these policies worldwide for the rest of the world and for there benefit too.

6. I would like to see an aggressive space program as a National Space Mission Goal of the United States. Where the United States Would take a fairly long range time frame goal of forty to sixty year or so. Something like build a city on Mars of say 100,000 people or so as our stated goal of what we want to accomplish in that time frame. Now we would have other stated National Space Goals too, but that would be the big one that would be our main prize that we are after. That way everyone would know what we are trying to accomplish and can get on the same page to get the job done.

Larry,

No, that not how it works at all. You have absolutely no idea how the physical economy run or how it functions.

The way that a physical economy is suppose to be run by a national government like the United States is like this:

1. The Federal Government picks a worthwhile project that needs to be built like subways, levitated super trains, nuclear power plants, build new cities and/or National Space Goals like next generation shuttle and/or lunar bases and/or Mars bases or cities.

2. The Federal Government that get it funds by generating it own credit through it own banking system like Treasury Notes or from a Third National Bank run by the congress or management.

3. Interest rates at simple low interest rates of 1% to 2% long term loans by the Federal Government to finance those projects. These loans will spans a time frame of twenty to thirty year or so to build those projects, because that how long it will take to build those projects that we decided to build and we need built too.

4. Those Scientist, Engineers, Machinist and tool and die people are important, because they are the ones that develop those new technologies and build those machines, fixtures and such.

5. After this prep work been done, then you bring in those un-skilled worker and train them how to run those machines and actually build those things that we want built. So now we have to have a government training program to get those un-skilled laborers trained to master those skills so they can build those things. So now we have a learning curve to bring there standard of living up in a productive sector of the economy.

That how Roosevelt did it when we were in the Great Depression of the thirties. That how those dams were built. That how the Tennessee Valley Authorities was created that electrified that area of the United States. That how the US was salvaged and put back into use to rebuild America and get us ready for World War II which was on the horizon and was imminent.

Larry,

The best place to start the industrializing of space would be to start on the Moon setting up mining and manufacturing facilities there. We would also want to build a lunar base too. As the first initial break out into an industrialized space factories and colonization program. We may have small space station, but we would have to send up too much of the supplies from the Earth to set them up and resupply them if we where to go for space station only. Later on, we could add mining near asteroid mining to our list of resources for our factories. We the current technology at our disposal that is about all that we could do right now. For the next ten to twenty years, this should be our primary target for getting into space.

We then should have a second twenty to thirty years after the first ten to twenty where we intend to colonize Mars and develop the technologies to run the new manufacturing technics that we need to run those factories. New technologies, like laser welders to replace those old electric or gas welders and new technologies like that. We will also need to develop new shuttle for the Earth, Moon and Mars and new deep space space ship that can travel to Mars from Earth in a few days or so and back to Earth in a few days. We need large ore caring mining ship with space foundries etc. Since most of this technologies don't currently exist, that means we will have to spend the next ten to twenty years developing those technologies to accomplish this mission if we wanted to actually do it. To run a manufacturing economy that could build the required equipment to replicate itself so that we wouldn't have to bring stuff from Earth anymore or at least a decreasing amount of stuff coming from Earth, would require to keep it running or to build it bigger in size. You would have to have hundreds of nuclear powered ship, deep space space ship for both passengers and cargo ships, you would have to have mining colonies on asteroids, the moon, Mars.

To put something this big together, it would take forty to sixty years to do it. It would not be cost effective for the private sector to do it, so it would have to be a government project with private business participation in it. It would have to be setup around a government national mission of setting tax plan, creating cheap long term loans to private business with government build infrastructure projects. We would probably also have to have agreements with other nations too to proceed with such a project.

Larry,

Exactly, if we keep budget cutting and trying to get the minimum that we need to get there, but not get what we should have gotten in the first place, we whined up with the Space Shuttle and International Space Station. We got the Space Shuttle that nobody wanted because everybody wanted the Shuttle to do something different. So it was neither cost efficient nor could it do what it was supposed to do. We needed the International Space Station to give us a purpose for the Space Shuttle and a reason to have a shuttle. Now we have two pieces of hardware that we don't know what to do with. Some good science work is being done, but it devours the NASA budget for much of anything else.

Larry,

The question is:

What are you trying to accomplish in space and what do you want to get done over the next twenty to thirty years or so?

Once you answer that question, then you can decide on the type of National Space Program that the United States Needs to have in space. Just about everybody on this board refuses to answer this question and then they doesn't understand why we don't have a good space program at NASA. A good Space Program will look like the Kennedy Moon Mission Program and what Kennedy intended to follow through other other programs like Orion nuclear space ships for deep space space mission. He understood that Chemical Rocket won't get us where we wanted to go in space and was only first effort to get us going.

We haven't had a decent Space Program since then. Oh, we have done things and we have even done good things space, but no mission orientation mission like the Apollo Moon Landing and the intended setting up of the Lunar Bases that were to follow. I watched NASA do Great things for seven years and then I watched it turn into what it is now and with no vision. They still do great things in space, but it has no purpose or reason to exist or justify our reason to keep funding it.

Larry,

I have no problem with the basic idea of a spinning space station, but what your are describing would take a lot of resources and need something to manufacture those plates to make the basic  space station. There would be absolutely no way to build the next space that we build, doing what your suggesting that we do. It would probably take twenty to thirty years to even be in a position to even start building such a project even. If we set up a lunar mining and manufacturing facility and/or could mine the asteroids or possibly have an intermediate space station up there first, then what your suggestion might be possible, otherwise it won't be possible. It won't be possible, because it requires too much resource to put it together and manufacturing capabilities in space that we don't currently have to do such a project like that.

Larry,

Those not-for-profit coalition wouldn't do a whole lot with those spare boosters or anything with those retired shuttles.

Once they used those spare boosters up, then they would be back in the same boat there in right now and nothing much would change from what it is right now.

Giving those not-for-profit coalition those retired shuttle wouldn't help either. It cost about 1/2 billion to 1 billion dollars to launch one of those shuttle, which would cost too much for those not-for-profit coalition to own or operate.

So it wouldn't make any difference either way. A not-for-profit coalition group is just not going to make a serious space effort no matter what you say.

Larry,

Yes, they did that too Egypt and in other countries too, but they changed there strategy on how they were going to deal with the United States. The British could no longer go head to head with the United States, because the United States has now become a world power and could militarily take Britain out if they had to. So Britain went to a tack tick of subverting the United States from within and not to get into a military confrontation with the United States. That pro-British Tory Faction inside the United State that started about forty years before the American Revolution and was present and was the primary cause of the American Civil War is still present inside the United States. Matter of fact, the Democratic Party was the party of traitors from the time of it creation until the time of FDR who changed the character of the Democratic Party under his leadership. This Tory faction also captured the major Banks of New York and a few other places and were also sympathizers of the South seceding from the Union. Most of those abolitionists were also pro-break up of the Union too. So Abe Lincoln had his work cut out for him when it came to saving the Union. We are assuming that he doesn't get assassinated first, before he can complete his mission. After he was elected President, they were going to storm Lincoln train in Baltimore and kill him and when he got to Washington DC another southern city, he had only 2,000 faithful union solders to protect him.

By the way, the Tory faction inside the United States still exist, but nobody referees to them as Tories anymore.

Larry,

I think we have all seen spammer on this board. I have seen three or four different spammers on this board myself before there post were deleted. Two of those were sex sites, big boobs and something else.

When I first see them, it generally take one to three days before most of them get deleted.

Larry,

Actually the real reason that we fought the civil war was not because of slavery or the desire by the south to form a confederation. Actually it was a British operation to break up the United States and they were going to re-colonize the individual pieces of the United State back into the British Empire. The Scottish Rite Free Mason acted like a British secret society inside the United States. The Scottish Rite Free Mason Society was set up in Charleston South Carolina during the War of 1812 when the United States was fighting Great Britain. During the War of 1812, Great Britain occupied Charleston for two years during that war. The British set up a police type state in Charleston for those two years that they occupied Charleston and the Great Southern Mason or the Scottish Rite Free Mason Society came out of that occupation of Charleston. Over the next thirty years or so, this Great Southern Mason Group took over most of the rest of Mason in the South and was the foundation for taking the South out During the Civil War. Many of the States like Texas, Arkansas and Tennessee did not want to go out of the Union, but it was this inside group that actually took those states out of the Union. They have to overthrow or what amounted to an over throw of those pro-union forces inside those states to take them out of the Union. They also wanted to take California out of the Union or spit it up too. But, that effort was thwarted by a Democratic Governor who was pro-union vs most of the rest of his party that that was Anti-union and California stayed in the Union in one piece. The South knew that they could not win a war with the North by themselves, because the North was too powerful for them. They were hoping that Great Britain would intervene into the American Civil War and come in on there side. The primary restraining factor for keeping the British out of the American Civil War, was the fact that the Russian Navy Pacific fleet was sitting in San Francisco and the Russian Atlantic Fleet was sitting in New York Harbor, with a letter from the Czar that gave full authority to Abraham Lincoln to use them if the British came into the American Civil War on the side of the South. Then after the development of the Iron Clad ship by the United States and the Russian having the only other Iron Clad fleet in the world, put an end to any idea that the British would come into the American Civil War on the side of the South to break up the Union.

The American Civil War was an attempt by the British to destroy the United States and was an international affair and not just an American Civil War that most people think it is. We had major powers outside the United States who were routing for either the South or the North to win this Civil War. So this American Civil War was not just a private war inside the United States, but had some involvement from overseas power in too.

Larry,

For anyone that interested in the John F. Kennedy speech that he gave a Rice University on going to the Moon. Go to the first two links. The third link is a news update of Kennedy looking over the progress of getting everything ready for going to the Moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTyYM-dU … re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhIjI_N … re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSM-hk2y … re=related

Larry,