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#451 Re: Not So Free Chat » Heading North? » 2004-11-08 13:12:47

LO
Canadians are so compassionnated :
http://www.marryanamerican.ca/]Marry an American  big_smile

To these http://72.3.131.10/]Sorry, World,
take it easy, thanks for your efforts ...

#452 Re: Not So Free Chat » EU - Iranian nuclear deal - Good? Bad? Indifferent? » 2004-11-08 12:56:27

LO

Perhaps the US is playing bad cop, but wouldn't the Iranian's see through it? If they call our bluff, we would face a Security Council that once again does not approve our actions, and a European community further driven from us as we act unilateraly...

If Iran keeps on enrichment of Uranium programm, I don't think that Europe would condemn an US or Israeli airstrike, as nobody in Europe would be pleased to have ayatollahs owning nukes.

I'm not even quite sure that people in Teheran wouldn't see a strike at Iran with real displeasure, lots are tired of mollahs' dictatorship.

#453 Re: Not So Free Chat » Any thoughts - on this. . . » 2004-11-08 08:23:24

LO
I met one day in a train a french army general, when Brejnev's URSS was deploying so called Euro-missiles. (What USA replied with Pershings)
He told me that USSR army was much weaker than ever annouced in military balance litterature as Jane's.
The fact was that all armored vehicules of Varsaw pact were counted, even obsolete reserves like T38 tanks, making a very impressive number, when Nato counted only his first line stuf.
USSR couldn't be assured of many of its so-called allies like Polishes, Hungarians, Tchecks, which feeled occupied, not allies, and even East germans soldiers who could have been reluctant to fight against West german troops where might have been brothers or cousins.
This french general told me that Nato aircrafts and tanks were superiors by a 5 to 15 years technological gap to their russian equivalents (as an example, German Panther tank was designed to fight 1 against 8 russian T-72s) and that Euromissiles deployment was a consent of weakness.

#454 Re: Not So Free Chat » Another metaphor - for the "War on Terror" » 2004-11-07 03:09:29

LO

It's so brutal and must take a real cold-hearted *#()@&!_#$
to do something like that.
Pure brutality.
--Cindy

I don't agree, It must be the result of much hate and anger to act so wildly

The problem is that in Iraq we are fighting two types of war, on the ground it is for hearts and minds while fending off the insurgents who can cross Iraqs borders to safety if they need to but mostly hide right in site, in the general public.

Bombs in the general public wins no hearts and minds, be on coalition side with air raids as well as on terrorists side with suicide bombers

These Countries are gaining support and ways to advance there own objectives by being opposed against the war and continual prescence in Iraq.

"continual prescence in Iraq" aren't other words for "occupation" ?

So can we win, yes, but we will suffer heavier casualties than we have taken now. The enemy is elusive and can feed from our slip ups and we will make them. The footsoldiers that we are fighting are brutal and committed. But the biggest enemy is world and public opinion. And America is likely will come out weaker at the end of this from a political point of view.

It's a strange twist of mind to declare that "the biggest enemy is world and public opinion", world and public opinion don't kill

#455 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heliopolis » 2004-11-07 02:37:41

LO
If Sun looses mass, size of planetary orbits should increase, no ?

#456 Re: Not So Free Chat » A metaphor for the War on Terror - Any doctors here? » 2004-11-06 16:18:21

LO

If it's possible to pin down a moment in history when aggressive Islamic religious elements first made their presence felt, you might choose 1979, when meek and mild Jimmy carter was (Democrat) President of the U.S.A. Although the Shah had long since fled the country in January of the same year, angry young Islamic revolutionaries overran the U.S. embassy in Tehran on November 4th and took more than 60 Americans hostage for 444 days.

During theses days, Saddam went at war at Iran without any disapprovals from the West.
He was the good guy who attacked the ennemies of USA

#457 Re: Not So Free Chat » Another metaphor - for the "War on Terror" » 2004-11-06 15:43:42

LO

::EDIT::
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … Beheadings on the rise, globally.  :down:

"It's an ideal terrorist tool," said Jonathan Stevenson, senior fellow for counterterrorism at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Washington. "It is a horrifying image and I would say it is disproportionately frightening."

Centuries ago, beheadings were the way to take life of Nobless.
Punishment for the common people was hanging.
For french deputies, beheading by guillotine was somehow a democratisation of an use reserved to the Gentry.

Herk

That's gore, but why is it so more impressive than a gun salvo ?

#458 Re: Not So Free Chat » Do I dare? :-) - Election predictions » 2004-11-05 13:56:55

LO

Did you hear how the french reacted? One sed how can 59 million Americans be so dump? Here America we respect others right to chose, we dont call them dump, we disagree with each other choices but making fun of the choices is bad and most Americans dont do. That the difference from a Liberal french man that crazzy, and American that have different views. It just sick just because people dont think, or belive, vote the way you think they should does not make them dump.

Earthfirst, you're a liar : It's the british Daily Mirror that had the title
"http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/docs/Mirror/0007ACB8-ADCE-118B-9E4F80C328EC0000.pdf] How can 59,054,087 people be so dumb ?"

I'm french and said "Good luck to Bush"
We don't have a monopoly on stupid reactions (though we try hard   big_smile )
It doesn't seem very immoderate a reaction compared with the usual french bashers' ones, after all.

(If you confuse London and Paris, I understand better why your troops are in Irak instead of Iran, where WMD are being assembled...some of texan logic ?)

#459 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-05 04:13:06

LO

I doubt that there was any president in the previous century that inspired so much hatred in the eyes of foreign leaders. I'm not saying that the United States should only do whatever makes them popular internationally, but I am saying that the US isn't the only country in the world, getting along with others is extremely important.

Some of the leaders which support Bush politics do it against the will of their public opinion as for GB, Italy, Japan and even Poland.
That's the way they conceive "democracy"...
Some american fellows get out of churches where they are supposed to prey for a forgiving God and for a Jesus Christ who did forbid to Simon-Petrus to take his sword out againsts its ennemies,
that's their way to believe they are Christians...

#460 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-04 16:23:13

LO
The three hurricanes that recently swept coasts of America may had an influence on Bush reelection, after each storm, was an opportunity for the president and brother pay a to visit to the victims and show they were taking care.
Florida was among the most striked, gaining Florida would have open White House doors to Kerry.
no ?
that's a question.
another question, do hurricanes vote reps ?  ??? 
I'm anxious, earth warming means more an more hurricanes  sad

About security, I'm amazed when I see on TV so many of these little piggie things, made with wood and plaster pannels, assembled on cleats, you call a house, crushed by Big Wolf's blow.
In Europe, we almost all live in concrete houses, and few of them would be flat crushed by 160 mph winds.
I'm impressed to know that millions of people evacuate the hurricane route.
When we had "La Grande Tempête" with 160 mph winds, tens of houses were destroyed, not thousands, though plenty were severely dammaged, mainly by fall of trees.
May be that's America : "vous faites les choses en grand"
In France, before building a house, plans must be sent to the mayor and accepted. If plans are signed by an architect, authorization is easy to get, if signed by a private citizen, the mayor should consult an architect before signing his authorization. An architect signed house has his guaranty for ten years.

Other point, the american average middle class wooden houses that I see on TV, no shutters, no trebble points locks, no walls around the house, give me a feeling of insecurity, the feeling than any vilain could break in by any window or by a shoulder hit or a kick at the door.
Then, buying a gun is less expansive than securing such houses.
Here we would rather put metallic shutters and alarms, may be some remindings of the times of the "chateau forts".

Last about security: remember the Air France jet the algerian terrorists had taken under control until french police assaulted the plane. The terrorists wanted to crash it over Paris, maybe on the Eiffel tower or the Elysée presidential palace.
Why US intelligence and security services didn't take good notice of that kind of threat ? This could happen only to froggies ?

#461 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-04 14:36:27

LO
Thanks for these explanations.

That's the hostile, caustic and sarcastic DonPanic we're used to. Back to normal.  big_smile

Ho, don't exagerate my "hostility", all Americans don't listen to Bluegrass...
My way to try to dry Dems'eyes.
a people who invented Jazz, R 'n R, and gave birth to ZZTOP can't be that bad, after all.

#462 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-04 12:29:20

LO

Cheney's not going to run, it just isn't going to happen. If he becomes President it will be before '08.

How that ? do you mean that some weaponmaniac* can shoot at Bush ?
*having easily bought an assault gun thanks to NRA
Or that a terrorist gang could crash a jetplane over White House, showing that war on terror didn't reach any valuable target ?

#463 Re: Not So Free Chat » Do I dare? :-) - Election predictions » 2004-11-04 03:24:51

LO

But don't worry, I haven't lost my rightist tendencies and I'm sure I'll find good reason to disagree with you about things in future!
However, just because we can't agree on everything doesn't mean we can't stop arguing now and then and maybe have a few beers and chill out together. Right?

OK, then, like with our British cousins and nevertheless neighbourgs
let's be the best ennemies in the world  big_smile
Cheers !

#464 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ITER » 2004-11-03 16:14:08

LO

Wow  200 miles diameter.  smile  I wonder what the lagest one is now?

The CERN's LEP big ring has a 17 miles diameter. The tunnel is build partly under France and Switzerland.

#465 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-03 15:31:55

LO

Firing a satellite is a casus belli, allies don't commit casus belli at each other, do they ?

Depends Ally, are you with us, or against us?  big_smile

"A quelle heure ?" Must consult my timetable  big_smile

The evidence that our MIRVs are not calculated to theaten USA is that their range is over 6000 miles, far beyond USA...
in fact, if you know the froggies, it's like when they inflate their throat, that's just to impress the females of the kind tongue

#466 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-03 15:11:34

LO

The traditional American thing to do would be to look at the improvements over our GPS system in Galileo, improve on them, then sell them the new technology.

The traditionnal froggy say that big american limousines do not fit his cities and that US GPS doesn't allow a french drunkard to put the key in the keyhole with enough precision when going back home  big_smile
And that's a major reason indeed.

#467 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-03 14:48:15

LO

What is queer (sic!) is that the USA and the EU may end up fighting more about the rights to be afforded gays than anything else. After all didn't a prominent EU minister just resign over an anti-gay position?

Hey, let's be serious, mayor of Paris is gay, he is appreciated over parties, he manages Paris well enough to have very weak opposition.
And we're not ready to let bigotry threaten the rights conceded to women to abort and to gays to have a "Civil Union Act" that give them some of the rigths of an average family.
Many straight couples choose the "Civil Union Act" (called PACS) instead of contracting a marriage.


As for the USA versus the EU, the French have more MIRV tipped H-bombs and "boomer" submarines than many people realize and the Galileo project is not a "civilian" project no matter what the EU-nics proclaim.

Only 2 nuclear subs with 16 mirvs in operation when 2 others are in revision period, and crews at home.
Galileo isn't military, its just strategic, nuance  big_smile
It would be a kind of a sin to let an US bigot have any temptation to blind our cruise missile under development if not in agreement for an action. So, let's not commit a sin. Amen  cool
Destroying a satellite is a casus belli, allies don't commit casus belli at each other, do they ?  big_smile

#468 Re: Not So Free Chat » Do I dare? :-) - Election predictions » 2004-11-03 10:21:01

LO
To all Dems, take it easy, if you want to relax, you know that you are welcome to France. big_smile
Here in Paris, you can still sit at the terrasse of a café and light a cigarette, it's ok
you can cross the street when no car's coming whatever the coulour of the traffic light is, it's ok
You can ride your bike on the pavement, if you don't excess the speed of a running man, it's ok
gays can have an official civil union with much of the rights of a marriage. it's ok
a gay mayor can rule Paris, it's ok
one can smoke a joint without risking years of jail though it's stricly forbidden  cool

#469 Re: Not So Free Chat » Do I dare? :-) - Election predictions » 2004-11-03 09:50:49

LO
Seen from Paris, as we vote for our president one man, one vote, no doubt that the winner of majority of votes is the legitimate winner.
Therefore: "Bonne chance à Bush !"

Personally, I think that whoever is in charge of the interests of any country inherits fundamental geostrategical datas that dictate his choices, be Bush or Kerry, to a very narrow path...
Inner politic of USA isn't of my business.

Not for myself, but for french government, Kerry as a president would have been much more embarrassing than Bush. Chirac would have been seen as the worse ally of USA refusing to a popular in public opininon US president help and troops in Irak.
Bad Bush image in european public opinion helps french leaders in their goal to have a strong Europe balancing USA.

For the Middle East, Bush weights heavier than Kerry on Israel leaders, and is more able to lead a more balanced politic, if US administration realises that palestinian conflict is the central point of arab and islamic anger at USA and at the West.

#470 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ITER » 2004-11-02 10:41:23

LO
USA has participation in LHC, and maybe you will be abble to run a GRID program in your PC to analyse the experiments results as I actually run Seti@home on my computer. Maybe in the future a larger particle accelerator should be built with a 200 miles diameter, and USA offers much more space than Europe.

#471 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ITER » 2004-11-02 10:19:01

LO
I fully agree with you. Though fundamental research is open minded with lot of international exchanges and cooperations, strong funding in each country is the best guaranty that multiples theories will be studied and confronted to experiments and that original technologies will be develloped in different places.
I think that each country has his own genious, thinks different.
Some kind of brain standardisation and bureaucratisation might result from series of multinational projects.

#472 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-02 02:36:06

Hi Shaun
It's so easy to amalgamate Irakis which take arms against foreigners who invade them with real faithless and lawless terrorists.
I think you don't realise the real bravery of an Ikarki insurgee rising against the power of the US army, that has nothing in common with the odious cowardry of the terrorists.
Not any american citizen would deny the right of anybody in the world to rise up against a foreign invasion.
It's so comfortable to say that any dead Iraki is a terrorist.
Democracy is indeed a better idea than dictatorship.
I suppose that you a are a better man than these terrorists.
That your values are much higher than the terrorists' ones.
So, if democracy settlement should be paved with so many innocent's corpses, which kind of democracy are you talking about ? Wich kind of values are you defending ?
Is it up to you to determine which price the Irakis should pay for democracy ?
If you think that only one iraki child killed to set democracy there is acceptable, then, I'm not at your side, I don't share the same values as you. Definitively not.
Same for CC.
There are other means to set democracy in countries ready for democracy and people willing to get rid of tyrans have done velvet revolutions as in Eastern Germany, against the communist regime, against Milosevic in Serbia, against Chevardnadze in Georgia... without any blood pouring.
If a mass revolt had rose against Saddam's regime, then, any foreign expeditionnary corp would have really been welcome as liberators and supported by local populations, and the international community. USA would have been supported and helped by many more countries and would have been the leader of a larger coalition than for Gulf War One.
Therefore, I regret to claim that this war is a war at Irak and Irakis, has nothing to see with a liberation war, nor a war at terrorism, it's just a death and oil stinking war.

#473 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ITER » 2004-11-01 18:00:23

LO
All rationals are in favour of a settlement in France,
-the region hasn't a high sismic activity
-no hurricanes to threaten electricity supply
-a much lower cost of life and housing prices than in Japan
-an attractive climate similar to California's one
-efficient and skilled nuclear scientists and workers in the same location

#474 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ITER » 2004-11-01 15:47:53

LO
Japan and France compete for the location where the http://www.iter.org/]ITER research fusion reactor is to be build.
French arguments are quite good, as detaining the highest plasma temperature record, with a top nuclear technology, and as a location in Japan would increase the costs of the reactor by heavy antisismic securities.
The french proposal of Cararache, a vast nuclear research plant, where US plutonium is actually retreated, with an attractive mediterranean climate, is supported by Europe, Russia and China, the japanese proposal is supported by USA, Japan and Korea
French government sees US support to Japan as a sanction against France for not sending troops in Irak and as a reward to Japan for sending troops.
French government seems determined to force a decision even without USA, Japan and Korea
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0 … 317,0.html

Maybe a bluff from Chirac  ???

#475 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-11-01 13:15:36

LO

The French generally stand with us in the end, that's why I used the word "allies". They tend to be quite critical beforehand and somewhat difficult generally, hence "unreliable" as compared to the British, for example.

Should know froggies better, it's quite anarchist a people, a french assembly is a whole mess, arguing and disagreeing at each other...
They act more emotionally than the Englishes, placing friendship higher than interests.
I think US ultraconservatives didn't realise the dammage done in french public opinion by the exaggerated french bashing that followed the UNO confrontation on Irak. For a people so attached to history, the hate at republicans will be very long to vanish

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