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#301 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Averting Global Catastrophe » 2003-03-11 17:35:29

Who said laissez-faire capitalism is set in stone?  Nobody questions that communism can't be taken straight out of the Communist Manifesto and implented, why should one exptrapolate in every detail from Adam Smith?

Perhaps government regulated capitalism is more effective and fair overall?

#302 Re: Civilization and Culture » Paperless Mars » 2003-03-11 17:00:22

actually, there are several methods of writing to CD-ROMs, ISO is just the most prevalent.

#303 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Averting Global Catastrophe » 2003-03-11 16:58:08

Your post makes no sense. 

Profitability is judged by your competition.  Fair is abiding the laws, and giving a reasonable price.  In a capitalist system, competition drives the economy.  "Fair" is being able to use your talents to make a profit, instead of being held back by a system that forces conformity and suppresses freedom of choice.

Should I not be allowed to use my talents to carve a better life for myself? 

You can do with your property what you want, within the law.  You can arbitrariliy set prices too, but that doesn't mean people will buy.  The force of competition regulates prices-look at the computer industry.  You can now get computers for $500 because online warehouse-type companies have brought the price down.

Regulations are in place to protect people.  You can't bash a law that prevents exploitation while similarly bashing the system for exploitation.

#304 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » We need a new RLV - Moving beyond the shuttle » 2003-03-10 21:54:58

AA: the SE will be built privately, by companies dedicated to the SE, not by the aerospace industry.  So the two industries are not in comptetion, for the moment.  And I think they will be able to exist in a supplemental relationship (i.e. SE cargo, RLV people/small cargo).

#305 Re: Human missions » Shuttle Cam - Sorely needed on STS-107 » 2003-03-10 21:43:59

Or the OSP should be designed to reach geosynch orbit?  I heard that it's going to be designed with increased manuverability.  This orbit seems to be the best.

#306 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Anti-matter - as a method of propulsion. » 2003-03-10 20:57:30

It would make sense to me that an advanced society would be willing to spend the energy and cost needed on Earth to produce the anti-matter for the spacecraft.  Since it isn't being produced on board, the anti-matter's speed and isp benefits may be worth the development cost. 

Earth would probably have these resources, as well as perhaps a space-based outpost, and maybe Mars.

#307 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Project Orion Revisited. - Why not an Earth Launch? » 2003-03-10 19:24:06

isp is lower than an NTR, and thrust is higher.  Your resupply ships can run better on NTRs-40% fuel mass to launch, and higher isp.  NERVA was built, Orion wasn't. 

A crack in your pusher plate, and you've got a problem.  Your pusher plate is no more of an enabler than a NTR reactor. 

I'd like to see figures on the exhaust velocity and thrust of Orion, if you could provide them.

#308 Re: Not So Free Chat » Everyday morality - Filesharing? » 2003-03-10 17:07:48

I have no intention of firing on anybody, that's not what this thread was intended for. smile

I want to explore a problamatic and thorny issue, I chose this topic for specific reasons.

I feel most people would fall into the "mixed-use" catagory in determining what is and isn't acceptable file sharing. However, I am inclined to believe that more individuals will slide towards an abusive relationship with file sharing on the whole. That is to say, most people abuse file sharing, but probably don't consider it as such.

We can generally agree that going into a brick and mortar store and walking out with the new M&M CD is simple theft. Yet less would be inclined to belive that stealing is occuring if someone downloads every single song on the CD, and burn it to their CD-R or leave it on their hard drive.

While I can accept to a point that the latter is more acceptable than the former, I must admit that the end result is exactly the same.

You point out that copy rights should only be held by single individuals- leave it to the artists to figure out how to collect. Well, that's what our current system was designed to do- it was designed so that the artist could receive a larger portion of the fruits of their labor. That model is being undermined by the new distribution scheme enabled by the internet.

And considering that P2P systems are going towards greater anominity, how can we conceivably create a system where single individuals would be able to collect revenue from a decentralized system? You end up with the horrible situation where you have the most successful artists spending ever increasing amounts of their time trying to collect on their previous art, instead of creating NEW art.

Isn't that counterproductive to our overall goal?

I also can accept the issue of profit margins, being that a CD shouldn't cost $17. Hwoever, what should it cost? P2P makes the cost zero, yet there is the very real cost of having to find artists, develop them, market them, etc. And remember, that $17 CD is only for a while- in time, the cost is reduced- yet with P2P, the internet itself- we see an explosion of media BEFORE it becomes available in brick and mortar stores.

Before companies and artists even have a chance to sell their product, it is being copied, and distributed to millions.

Is this right?

i also wonder if the quality is really a dividing issue. 8$ for a movie in a movie theater, or pay nothing for a near-DVD quality version of the movie, in your home entertainment theater, with Dolby surround sound.

How about a $17 CD of your favorite band with copy protection, or a near-perfect recording of said CD on a blank media without copy protection, for the cost of the blank CD.

Again, this is not to choose a side, but merely to explore the implications of each side.

Since a CD costs a good $0.10, I can see the band's time being worth $2 per CD, and the distribution being another $2.  Marketing a good $0.50-$1 per CD, so I would say $5-$7 is a fair price for a CD.  $10+ is a ripoff, and I would guarantee that if the price were lowered-piracy would drop.  Piracy is a reaction to bloated prices.  CDs aren't $5 apiece anymore. 

The price should reflect this change.

#309 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2003-03-09 20:26:55

What if we used solar panels to maintain our fusion reaction?

#310 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Project Orion Revisited. - Why not an Earth Launch? » 2003-03-09 20:25:58

A fusion engine, in the 20-40 ear future, may allow 1 week to a month trips to Mars. 

Orion, I just don't see the need for.  It's inefficient, perhaps useful for speed bursts in space, but you need a huge pusher plate for it, which means that you really can't make it a hybrid.  It is a rather restrictive design.

NTRs provide the advantage of providing a power plant for the spacecraft.  So would fusion drives.

#311 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Project Orion Revisited. - Why not an Earth Launch? » 2003-03-09 18:15:51

Development of liquid and gas core nuclear thermal rockets could greatly improve our space capabilities, outside of orbit.

Perhaps a hybrid NTR/VASMIR spacecraft would be an ideal planetary cruiser until more advanced propulsion methods were developed. 

The problem today is that we are really focusing on one option or another, instead of approaching a few different systems.  For example, a single shuttle design is not the best approach.  As others have said, scaleable vehicles should be designed for specific purposes.

Perhaps R&D will eventually lead to plasma sail/fusion/GCNR/solar planetary cruisers, if we let it.

#312 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Mars Exploration Rover A Launch - Cape Canaveral Launch » 2003-03-08 20:39:37

May 30: Boeing Delta 2 with NASA's Mars Explorer Rover-A from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. 2:28 p.m. EDT (1828 GMT).

Let's hope it's on time.

#313 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ILS Atlas 5 with Hellas Sat 2 - Cape Canaveral » 2003-03-08 20:35:26

ILS Atlas 5 with Hellas Sat 2 from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

#314 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Calling All Anarchists - Definition, please? » 2003-03-08 20:32:19

...interestingly, Hjalmar Schacht (Nazi Germany's Minister for Economic Affairs) did all the things a capitalist country would do to provide stimulas... regulated state finances, lowered interest rates, and even taxes... of course, there were public works projects too (new roads, etc), but still, the world was coming out of a depression and everyone was doing this. The similarities are there. Hjalmar Schacht quit when Hitler begain rearmament...

Isn't it rather telling, then, that Germany's rearmament was coming off of a revitalized economy?  The economy was booming at that point, and only stymied as the war continued.

#315 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Calling All Anarchists - Definition, please? » 2003-03-08 20:30:41

I think a main problem with these systems is what I've said before-resources will constantly have to be redistributed, because the more talented/motivated/intelligent people will always find a way to get ahead, unless they are held back.

If, then, I produce more than my neighbor, shouldn't I be allowed to keep this extra?  We are to be "paid" the same (food, shelter, etc.), so would it not be unequal to produce unequal quantities/qualities and still receive the same compensation?  Would it also then not be theft to take the extra and not reward my harder/better work? 

Unless you limit my productivity, which is in itself unfair and counterproductive, would this not be an unbalanced system?  There is a concept of economic Darwinism-the smartest, most cunning, etc. get ahead.  In my view, capitalism has been in existence throughout human history-Smith was just the first to provide a detailed description just as Machiavelli and Freud commented on human nature (as they saw it).

I do see what you're saying about Marx.  I wouldn't say he was a power-monger, I would say he was stubbornly fixed to his ideas.  He wouldn't deviate from his set of ideas-at least until his elder years, when he began to be more of a capitalist, ironically.

#316 Re: Civilization and Culture » Paperless Mars » 2003-03-08 19:21:29

Nobody would control the server-what I was saying is you could have a common exchange medium-uploading something is much easier than e-mailing it.  It could be similar to the Library of Congress.

Obviously you wouldn't put your sensitive data on this server-you might not even leave your information on there-it could be a quick, upload-download-delete (like a fax, I guess). 

My 10 MB example was just to illustrate that it wouldn't really be a significant amount, even if it was that large.

#317 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Calling All Anarchists - Definition, please? » 2003-03-08 19:18:01

Marx didn't see much beyond a proletariat revolution, and I don't know what you mean by him seeing it from Proudhon-Marx had envisioned this all along.

I really don't think Marx was a power-monger--he had an endless stream of money, and yet he devoted endless time to bringing down capitalism.  He and Engels could have been powerful capitalists if they had wanted to.

A "lay buyer" was my term for the average computer user (like your average soccer mom or whatever).  Marx had said that new machines (i.e. technological advance) would be sold for their "value."  This assumes the value is static, which I was addressing in my example.  The computer is more valuable to a hotshot programmer than to you or I.

#318 Re: Youth Group / Educational Outreach » Teenage View on Iraq - Issue?  Don't care? » 2003-03-08 12:00:21

Echus is in NZ-he doesn't have to worry.

Being an American-I don't worry about a draft.  First of all, it won't happen, imho.  Second, if it does, I will serve my country if I'm called on.  And in two years, I will be draft eligible. 

On another note-I will be going to college, which means I will be way down the draft list.

#319 Re: Human missions » OSP or air-launched vehicle? - Tell me what you think! » 2003-03-08 11:57:11

dicktice: I read your comment about subsidizing the Soyuz, and I agree, but I disagree.

We shouldn't subsidize the Soyuz or Progress.  We should build our own.  The OSP should arrive at 2 vehicles-an unmanned cargo vehicle (ala Progress) that should be capsulized, and a manned taxi-no payload, varying design possilbities.  We don't need a $500 million shuttle.  But we can't rely on the Russians-they don't have the money, and they have defaulted on many contracts for the ISS.

So, we need an American Soyuz and Progress.

#320 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Zubrin on Coast to Coast AM radio » 2003-03-08 10:18:36

Robert Zubrin scheduled guest on Coast to Coast Am radio talk show for Sunday, March 9.

#322 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Calling All Anarchists - Definition, please? » 2003-03-08 10:15:15

Apparently Marx didn't like Proudhon, and if you're looking for your debunking of Proudhon, Marx wrote it.  I had the title-have to find it again. 

Proudhon and Marx also were living, and theorizing, in a time when things like government regulation, globalization, and unionizing were not present, and not predicted-at least not by Marx or Proudhon.  In fact, the "pure capitalism" that Marx uses to debunk capitalism in Das Capital is a farse-it gets rid of any possibility of moral, government, or societal intervention into the system-three very important elements.  No system is applied as it is in the books, which the Marxist and similar thinkers ignored when bashing capitalism. 

Basically, Marx took together a wide range of critiques of capitalism, and meshed them together.  His overall system of proletariat rule factors out any rectifying actions-he was very closed minded-perhaps his greatest fault.  For example, he assumed that technological advance would lead to decreased profits-shrinking labor pool need gets rid of the profit-generating source. 

The problem was, that he didn't account for the jobs to build and support this new technology.  Also, he said that the machines would be sold for the value they would produce.  However, this is never the case-because the company that buys the machine has a special skill that takes advantage of the machine's abilities.  Therefore, the producer builds it, sells it for a profit, and then the buyer uses their unique abilities to make a further profit.

For example, take a computer.  Dell builds the computer, but then they sell it for a profit.  If they sold it for more than say, $1500, the lay buyer wouldn't buy it.  However, Joe Programmer buys this PC for $1500, programs the next Windows, and makes $50 billion.  Obviously, he made a profit.  Marx assumed that the vendor had the mind-reading ability to know what the "value" of the item was to the consumer.

And another note, Proudhon was only a major sensation in France.  Marx overshadowed Proudhon by a long shot.  And Proudhon is a pretty obscure economist-he is hardly mentioned in economics doctorate programs (throughout college), if at all.  He isn't on the level of Smith, Marx, Mill, and so on.

#323 Re: Civilization and Culture » Paperless Mars » 2003-03-08 09:55:01

You could probably have "themes" that allow you to have whatever gesture, or non-gesture, setup that you wanted.  I could use my little bar, and you could use your gestures.  If it was designed by a skilled programmer, and not using lazy coding (i.e. using English instead of real code to write the program), this could be a small, small file.  Even using lazy coding, this could probably be made under 10 megabytes, which, considering we can have 10 gigabyte DVD's, and 200 gigabyte HD's (commercially, and compact-large network hard drives can be multi-terrabyte), 10 mb is less than your average memory leak.

On another note-a major reason why we need paper on Earth is because it's fast, and not everybody has access to the same information.  Data transfer can be long and tedious (now that more and more broadband is used, we see more e-commerce usage-I just did an e-commerce business plan, and I was very humbled by the 400% increase in B2B e-commerce from 1997 to 2000). 

Mars gives us a unique chance, then.  What if we had a central information server, that everybody could connect to?  You needn't put your valuable information there-in fact, it could be on a completely separate connection than your private data.  But this way, you could upload information right to your server, and somebody over at Technocorp could get their data right away.  Download it onto a DVD, put it in their Tablet, and pass it to the right employee.  Lose it, just get it from the server again.

#324 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carriers - an idea » 2003-03-08 08:57:22

The DPF thruster is a different thruster than the Tokamak.  And what if you used a linear magnetic confinement thruster?  I certainly expect that in the next few decades, we will be able to generate a net gain of power out of fusion reactions. 

And adding a fission reactor is a serious complication politically.  Fusion is perceived in a much less harsh light than fission.  If you could keep a straight fusion drive, without fission power, that would be a benefit.

#325 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2003-03-08 08:52:27

That's what your magnets do.

Yeah, but they need a lot of power, which is basically what Robert was getting at. A fusion engine can't just shoot out plasma, it has to create energy so that you can run all the necessary systems which keep it from melting the craft to bits.

And that ain't going to be so easy.

First of all, it doesn't shoot out plasma, it leaks out plasma.  No force is required to release the plasma-it leaves because you place a "leaky" magnet at the thrust end of the drive.   

Second of all, the fusion reactor generates power, that can sustain the reaction itself.  ITER plans to have a reactor that has a net gain of 14x the input power in a sustained fusion reaction by 2014.

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