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#30251 Re: Not So Free Chat » first terraformers would need first aid - would YOU be any good ai it? » 2004-08-23 08:14:25
Was the need for first aid even a consideration for when we did Apollo and the lunar landings. Barely a bandaid was given do to the weight reductions need to be made for the changes in scientific equipment that was brought each time we went there.
Knowledge of how to and what is available to do the job are different issues.
#30252 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-23 08:07:54
NASA Issues Additional Requests for Information
in Response to U.S. Space Exploration Policy Report
Responses to NASA Special Notice: Transforming the Private Sector Role in Space Operations
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=13736
Very lengthy report.
#30253 Re: Human missions » MarsDirect or Mars Sustained ? » 2004-08-23 07:45:28
I found this reference with regards to Humans 2 Mars lots of links and details.
http://www.swri.org/swim/human2mars.htm
Topics:
Mission Designs:
Overview
NASA: 90 Day Report (1989)
Mars Society: Mars Direct (1990 - current)
NASA: Mars Reference Mission (1997 - current)
Alternatives, Areas for Improvement, Critiques
Primary Mission Goals:
Water - Where was it, Where is it? ( current Mars Odyssey water map )
Search for Life
Mars Geology
Engineering Needs:
Artificial Gravity:
Biosphere Closure, Habitat (CELSS)
Communications
Navigation
Radiation Shielding
Fuel Generation
Power Generation
Marssuit Design
Rover Design
Human Factors:
Medical Issues
Crew Isolation Studies
Command Structure, Autonomy Studies
Living and Working on Mars
Speculation Corner - Other Links
Mission Designs:
Overview
White House Press Release, 1/15/2004
MarsNews: Humans to Mars
Romance to Reality
NASA Mars Missions (Robotic) - Past, Present, Future
NASA's Human Exploration of Mars Web Site
NASA: 90 Day Report (1989)
Summary
Analysis
Mars Society: Mars Direct (1990 - current)
Mars Direct Basic Plan
Mars Direct Supplemental Info
NASA: Mars Reference Mission Version 1.0 (1997 - 1999)
Reference Mission: Table of Contents
Reference Mission: Part 1
Reference Mission: Part 2
Reference Mission: Part 3
Reference Mission: HTML Version, 2009 Baseline
NASA: Mars Reference Mission Version 3.0 (1999 - current)
Summary of Version 3.0
Alternatives, Areas for Improvement, Critiques
Lockheed Martin (very little info online)
2002 NASA plan
Primary Mission Goals:
Water - Where was it, Where is it?
Space.com: Mars Odyssey's search for subterranean water
Space.com: Mars Odyssey's preliminary detection of hydrogen
Current Mars Odyssey water map
Search for Life
Space.com: Life signs detection, contamination, back contamination
NRC study on back contamination, other remote hazards, and POSSIBLE SwIM RESEARCH IDEAS!!
Mars Geology, Climate
Mars Global Thermal Inertia Map (Mellon et al, 2002)
Nature: The Crust and Mantle of Mars (Maria Zuber)
ABC News: Possible radical climate shifts on Mars
Engineering Needs:
Artificial Gravity
Mars Society Translife Project , MIT
Translife Project: Phase 1 review documents (3/7/02)
Translife article
1960's - 1980's Artificial Gravity Research (Theodore W. Hall)
Biosphere Closure, Habitat (CELSS)
Purdue University NSCORT project (NASA press release)
Biosphere 2
Example educational project - cute idea
Greenhouses (CU project)
Communications
Interplanetary Internet (IPNSIG)
Navigation
NASA-JPL: "Pork Chop" plots
Radiation Shielding
Reinforced Linear Polyethelene hull shielding (NASA)
Demron fabric (Radiation Shield Technologies, Inc.)
Mars Bars: in-situ radiation shielding
Regolith shielding - NASA
NASA Mars Odyssey instrument: MARIE
Mars Society Youth Chapters: in flight radiation hazard
CSA radiation study on ISS
Radiation Nanodetectors
Fuel Generation
Pioneer Astronautics Mars projects, in-situ fuel generation, etc (note: METAMARS !)
Power Generation
NASA Center for Space Power
Marssuit Design
Hamilton Sunstrand Systems Mars Spacesuit
ILC Dover (no info)
David Clark Company (minimal info)
SSOAR
Chameleon Suit (Sunstrand)
Rover Design
NASA-JPL: Inflatable Rovers , Tumbleweed rover
Human Factors:
Medical Issues
Immune cell function supression
Crew Isolation Studies
Europe: (ISEMSI, EXEMSI)
Russia: Institute of Medical and Biological Problems (HUBES, SFINCSS studies, issues )
Canada: (Capsules)
NASA
Command Structure, Autonomy Studies
Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS)
Mars Society Desert Research Station
Living and Working on Mars
Human/Robotic Teamwork: Robonaut
NASA Cliff-bot rover
Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS) , space.com on FMARS
Mars Society Desert Research Station , Wall Street Journal on MDRS
Speculation Corner - Other Links of Interest:
NASA: Valles Marineris rendered flyover photos - incredible!
Space.com: Lunar/Mars mining, in-situ resource usage
Microgravity Health/Psychology Concerns (space.com)
Amazon.com: Dead Mars, Dying Earth
NASA Public Opinion Survey: 1/31/02
Humans to Mars? Not any time soon......
Marscase: Mars info site
Encyclopedia Astronautica
Lunar and Planetary Institute
Popular Science - What NASA's goals should be
Space Shuttle CAIB report
Summary of 2003 COMPLEX Report
SwIM Home Boulder Office Home SwRI Home DoSS Homepage
#30254 Re: Human missions » Cheap heavy launcher - can it be done at all » 2004-08-23 07:01:45
A post from Andy Mcsorley on the project constellation site makes note of a past study from Caltech called 'Mars Scheme' back in 2000 called the Z-5.
#30255 Re: Human missions » Master of AI » 2004-08-23 06:54:57
While this may not be the start of AI it is in the right direction for Human and Machine interfacing in future missions.
I find it interesting to see the use of a segway for mobility.
NASA Engineers Free Robonaut with Wheels, Leg
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/robonaut_ugrades_040823.html]
#30256 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-23 05:51:24
I am reminded of where this needed to be going from an article that was writen by Jeff Foust titled Moon, Mars, baseball, and football.
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/181/1
In that it was a very good analogy of what needs to be done to achieve both goals of going to the moon but to stay and of how to do the Mars direct or other configurations of any planned missions to Mars.
For the Moon do lots of small but successful steps very often for the moon.
#30257 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-23 05:47:00
The nations of old that use to fight amongst each other have seen what democracy can do in terms of world power not to mention the standard of living change by having done so.
#30258 Re: Human missions » MarsDirect or Mars Sustained ? » 2004-08-23 05:44:38
As you noted, it should not just be scientist that get to go and to settle if you want the public even if it is a minority to get behind these billion to trillion dollar explorations ventures. You must portray the people that are doing this to the people that are left behind as common people and not the chosen few with the right stuff.
#30259 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? » 2004-08-23 05:38:05
Yes and No but mostly maybe. My thought was with regards to simular altitude and not of is density.
On the syphon I have a couple of thoughts one is to hang from orbit the container and a compressor like unit, where external atmosphere is brought in though an intake and compressed into the container to be hauled up when filled.
I was thinking that it could be shaped like a plane and have the wings covered with solar panels to power the compressor unit.
The compressor is simular to a car engine in that the intake of atmosphere which is sucked into a chamber, on the down stroke, then the intake valves closes followed by the exhaust to compress the gas to the storage tank. The intake could be connected to a semi rigid tube that would be lowered into the atmoshpere from the orbiting vehicle. Probably miles long but I think possible. In either case use solar power and a electric motor to run the compressor.
Chill tank contents slowly and filter out liquids as they condense for later use into individual tanks.
#30260 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-08-23 05:26:51
If anything becomes of the xprize I hope it maybe a scare to the Big guys on the rocketry block and Nasa. For if any achieves orbital status, look out for private industry may soon to follow.
#30261 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-23 05:17:06
Hubble plan lacks details Denver post editorial,
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,141 … 39,00.html
#30262 Re: Human missions » Rocket Business model for shuttle delta IV atlasV - and others good or bad » 2004-08-23 05:15:18
Boeing delays first launch of Delta 4 Heavy rocket
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/ … delta4.htm
May if we wait long enough India can help with one of the vehicles used as a derivative.
India designs next generation launch vehicle GSLV-MkIII, a heavier lift launcher that would meet the four tonne class communication satellite requirements, the new generation vehicle which would be developed by ISRO by 2007-2008.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_962531,0008.htm
#30263 Re: Human missions » Might Shuttle C - save Hubble? » 2004-08-23 05:13:19
Speaking of derivative vehicles How can India do this when we can not even get started.
India designs next generation launch vehicle GSLV-MkIII, a heavier lift launcher that would meet the four tonne class communication satellite requirements, the new generation vehicle which would be developed by ISRO by 2007-2008.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_962531,0008.htm
Also if we are looking to Boeing for solutions we may need to look further.
Boeing delays first launch of Delta 4 Heavy rocket
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/ … delta4.htm
#30264 Re: Human missions » Cheap heavy launcher - can it be done at all » 2004-08-23 05:09:50
Well if you were looking for the Boeing first launch of Delta 4 Heavy rocket to be the next in possible shuttle replacements, it has been delayed.
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/ … delta4.htm
#30265 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-23 05:07:01
Boeing delays first launch of Delta 4 Heavy rocket
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/ … delta4.htm
India designs next generation launch vehicle GSLV-MkIII, a heavier lift launcher that would meet the four tonne class communication satellite requirements, the new generation vehicle which would be developed by ISRO by 2007-2008.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_962531,0008.htm
ISRO draws up road map for launch of Reusable vehicles, India is aiming at a technology demonstrator for Reusable Launch Vehicle in the 2015 time frame and gear itself up for planetary explorations using air breathing engines with Two Stage To Orbit (TSTO) launchers by 2025.
http://www.deepikaglobal.com/archive....e=67721
ISRO to establish Rs 300 crore solid propellants plant
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_ … 040005.htm
Funding blunder doomed Beagle
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 56,00.html
#30266 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? » 2004-08-19 14:31:48
I do not see that any problem other than Earth has a lot more atmospheric drag that a planet like venus does not.
#30267 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-19 12:31:23
Well here is some info on the Hubble replacement being developed as James Webb Space Telescope.
Axsys Signs $18.6 Million Contract for Production of Optical Components for the James Webb Space Telescope
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040819/195264_2.html
Sorry Cindy, if I chose the wrong word with hubble but that is how it seems with how Nasa is viewing things.
#30268 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-19 12:29:05
In Many of the discusions of topics we come back to what did the president mean by first the Moon and then beyound. To use the moon as a stepping stone to space.
To sustain a Moon project does this mean a base, colonization and or can it be one shot after the other with nothing permanent ever built.
We can keep looking a startup cost as well as the long term cost but are they really what is important to exploration.
If we go to the moon should we be looking to develope self sufficiency and less dependence on Earths resources.
Should the moon be the next Launching pad to beyound?
The questions keep coming or going and even Nasa is looking for information as to what is meant in the commissions report.
#30269 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-19 12:10:50
Tell that to Nasa for if they could understand the importance of optical photo's then they would have been designing in that feature into the new telescope rather than not.
#30270 Re: Human missions » Opening space to Individual or private industry - Space CHASE Act » 2004-08-19 11:15:50
We talk a lot about what Nasa could be doing and then we find out that Nasa is doing a lot of unrelated Space activities.
NASA sets stage for personal aircraft
Flying-car dreams could spawn new type of vehicle
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5750922/
Nasa definitely needs to be stream lined for space activites only.
#30271 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-19 11:05:21
India News: India conducts space capsule recovery test
The module test, at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre at Sriharikota, was the third and last one conducted by the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) using a helicopter.
http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=45106
News release by Indian Space research organization
Includes capsule and parachute photo
http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Aug19_2004.htm
#30272 Re: Life support systems » Long Term Health Effects - Life on a low grav, rusty planet » 2004-08-19 11:02:04
It is rocket science
Resident helps NASA solve space travel troubles
http://www.zwire.com/site....1&rfi=9
The SCSU students are participating in research to help NASA minimize the negative effects of prolonged weightlessness on human bones.
NASA's land-based and space studies already show that bone loss varies greatly from astronaut to astronaut. Some experience little-to-no loss, while others experience significant bone loss
#30273 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-19 10:59:10
Well here is some info on the Hubble replacement being developed as James Webb Space Telescope.
Axsys Signs $18.6 Million Contract for Production of Optical Components for the James Webb Space Telescope
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040819/195264_2.html
#30274 Re: Human missions » MarsDirect or Mars Sustained ? » 2004-08-19 10:15:13
Going to the moon to practice yes is very different as compared to Mars at least it has an atmosphere.
Soil type on the moon versus Mars are not even of simular mineral oxides. I do not see much research on the moon leading to any developed items for Mars.
The moon has its own unique research reasons for going back to it. One is simply to finish where we left off in our search for knowledge on planet formation.
As for on the billing side of the budget unless Nasa learns how to lower the cost of doing space they stand to lose a lot more than there budgets.
#30275 Re: Planetary transportation » Combining the Rover and Hab - Go RV'ing! » 2004-08-19 09:02:12
All the more reason not to get to comfortable with an enclosed evironment without being in a protective suit less helmet but ready to place one on in a moments notice of trouble.