New Mars Forums

Short of finding creative ways to fund the rescue operation in what ever form it will eventually take. Nasa needs a new way of generating funds for all space programs seperate form the congress controlled budgeting down sizing that always seems to accompany any new goals. Sponsored ads on the side of any Delta or Atlas.

http://www.mosnews.com/money/2004/03/10 … sing.shtml

What I find even funnier is how the Genesis spacecraft is coming back to Earth for retrival.

Press release: CHAND NAGAR’ – AN INDIAN DESIGN FOR MOON
The Indian team topped the contest entitled Space Settlement Competition. The team assigned Request for Proposal (RFP) with an assumption that they were contractors in the year 2029, applying for a contract to build a settlement on Moon.
This is what US space agency NASA’s plan is. And to make it a reality our own Indian students from Patiala (Punjab) have given a plan to NASA, which has been selected during a world level competition held at Kennedy Space Centre, Florida from July 16 to 19, 2004.

http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=3393

Just another one of those changing landscape items.
Dancing on eggs: US space cooperation with China
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/212/1

Was the need for first aid even a consideration for when we did Apollo and the lunar landings. Barely a bandaid was given do to the weight reductions need to be made for the changes in scientific equipment that was brought each time we went there.

Knowledge of how to and what is available to do the job are different issues.

I found this reference with regards to Humans 2 Mars lots of links and details.

http://www.swri.org/swim/human2mars.htm

Topics:
Mission Designs:
Overview
NASA: 90 Day Report (1989)
Mars Society: Mars Direct (1990 - current)
NASA: Mars Reference Mission (1997 - current)
Alternatives, Areas for Improvement, Critiques

  Primary Mission Goals:
Water - Where was it, Where is it?  ( current Mars Odyssey water map )
Search for Life
Mars Geology

  Engineering Needs:
Artificial Gravity:
Biosphere Closure, Habitat (CELSS)
Communications
Navigation
Radiation Shielding
Fuel Generation
Power Generation
Marssuit Design
Rover Design

  Human Factors:
Medical Issues
Crew Isolation Studies
Command Structure, Autonomy Studies

Living and Working on Mars

  Speculation Corner - Other Links 

Mission Designs:
Overview
White House Press Release, 1/15/2004 
MarsNews: Humans to Mars 
Romance to Reality 
NASA Mars Missions (Robotic) - Past, Present, Future
NASA's Human Exploration of Mars Web Site 

NASA: 90 Day Report (1989)
Summary 
Analysis 

Mars Society: Mars Direct (1990 - current)
Mars Direct Basic Plan 
Mars Direct Supplemental Info 

NASA: Mars Reference Mission Version 1.0 (1997 - 1999)
Reference Mission: Table of Contents 
Reference Mission: Part 1 
Reference Mission: Part 2 
Reference Mission: Part 3 
Reference Mission: HTML Version, 2009 Baseline 

NASA: Mars Reference Mission Version 3.0 (1999 - current)
Summary of Version 3.0 

Alternatives, Areas for Improvement, Critiques
Lockheed Martin (very little info online)
2002 NASA plan

Primary Mission Goals:
Water - Where was it, Where is it?
Space.com: Mars Odyssey's search for subterranean water 
Space.com: Mars Odyssey's preliminary detection of hydrogen 
  Current Mars Odyssey water map

Search for Life
Space.com: Life signs detection, contamination, back contamination 
NRC study on back contamination, other remote hazards, and POSSIBLE SwIM RESEARCH IDEAS!!

Mars Geology, Climate
Mars Global Thermal Inertia Map (Mellon et al, 2002) 
Nature: The Crust and Mantle of Mars (Maria Zuber) 
ABC News: Possible radical climate shifts on Mars 

Engineering Needs:
Artificial Gravity
Mars Society Translife Project , MIT 
Translife Project: Phase 1 review documents (3/7/02)
Translife article

  1960's - 1980's Artificial Gravity Research (Theodore W. Hall)

Biosphere Closure, Habitat (CELSS)
Purdue University NSCORT project (NASA press release) 
Biosphere 2 
Example educational project - cute idea 
Greenhouses (CU project) 

Communications
Interplanetary Internet (IPNSIG)

Navigation
NASA-JPL: "Pork Chop" plots 

Radiation Shielding
Reinforced Linear Polyethelene hull shielding (NASA) 
Demron fabric (Radiation Shield Technologies, Inc.)
Mars Bars: in-situ radiation shielding 
Regolith shielding - NASA 
NASA Mars Odyssey instrument: MARIE 
Mars Society Youth Chapters: in flight radiation hazard 
CSA radiation study on ISS 
Radiation Nanodetectors

Fuel Generation
Pioneer Astronautics Mars projects, in-situ fuel generation, etc (note: METAMARS !)

Power Generation
NASA Center for Space Power

Marssuit Design
Hamilton Sunstrand Systems Mars Spacesuit 
ILC Dover (no info)
David Clark Company (minimal info)
SSOAR
Chameleon Suit (Sunstrand)

Rover Design
NASA-JPL: Inflatable Rovers , Tumbleweed rover 

Human Factors:
Medical Issues
Immune cell function supression 

Crew Isolation Studies
Europe: (ISEMSI, EXEMSI)
Russia: Institute of Medical and Biological Problems (HUBES, SFINCSS studies, issues )
Canada: (Capsules)
NASA

Command Structure, Autonomy Studies
Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS) 
Mars Society Desert Research Station 

Living and Working on Mars
Human/Robotic Teamwork: Robonaut 
NASA Cliff-bot rover 
Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station (FMARS) , space.com on FMARS 
Mars Society Desert Research Station , Wall Street Journal on MDRS 

Speculation Corner - Other Links of Interest:
NASA: Valles Marineris rendered flyover photos - incredible!
Space.com:  Lunar/Mars mining, in-situ resource usage 
Microgravity Health/Psychology Concerns (space.com) 
Amazon.com: Dead Mars, Dying Earth 
NASA Public Opinion Survey: 1/31/02
Humans to Mars?  Not any time soon...... 
Marscase: Mars info site 
Encyclopedia Astronautica 
Lunar and Planetary Institute 
Popular Science - What NASA's goals should be 
Space Shuttle CAIB report 
Summary of 2003 COMPLEX Report

SwIM Home  Boulder Office Home  SwRI Home  DoSS Homepage

While this may not be the start of AI it is in the right direction for Human and Machine interfacing in future missions.
I find it interesting to see the use of a segway for mobility.

NASA Engineers Free Robonaut with Wheels, Leg

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/robonaut_ugrades_040823.html]

The nations of old that use to fight amongst each other have seen what democracy can do in terms of world power not to mention the standard of living change by having done so.

Yes and No but mostly maybe. My thought was with regards to simular altitude and not of is density.

On the syphon I have a couple of thoughts one is to hang from orbit the container and a compressor like unit, where external atmosphere is brought in though an intake and compressed into the container to be hauled up when filled.
I was thinking that it could be shaped like a plane and have the wings covered with solar panels to power the compressor unit.

The compressor is simular to a car engine in that the intake of atmosphere which is sucked into a chamber, on the down stroke, then the intake valves closes followed by the exhaust  to compress the gas to the storage tank. The intake could be connected to a semi rigid tube that would be lowered into the atmoshpere from the orbiting vehicle. Probably miles long but I think possible. In either case use solar power and a electric motor to run the compressor.

Chill tank contents slowly and filter out liquids as they condense for later use into individual tanks.

Hubble plan lacks details Denver post editorial,
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,141 … 39,00.html

Speaking of derivative vehicles How can India do this when we can not even get started.

India designs next generation launch vehicle GSLV-MkIII, a heavier lift launcher that would meet the four tonne class communication satellite requirements, the new generation vehicle which would be developed by ISRO by 2007-2008.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_962531,0008.htm

Also if we are looking to Boeing for solutions we may need to look further.
Boeing delays first launch of Delta 4 Heavy rocket
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/ … delta4.htm

Boeing delays first launch of Delta 4 Heavy rocket
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/ … delta4.htm

India designs next generation launch vehicle GSLV-MkIII, a heavier lift launcher that would meet the four tonne class communication satellite requirements, the new generation vehicle which would be developed by ISRO by 2007-2008.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_962531,0008.htm

ISRO draws up road map for launch of Reusable vehicles, India is aiming at a technology demonstrator for Reusable Launch Vehicle in the 2015 time frame and gear itself up for planetary explorations using air breathing engines with Two Stage To Orbit (TSTO) launchers by 2025.
http://www.deepikaglobal.com/archive....e=67721

ISRO to establish Rs 300 crore solid propellants plant
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_ … 040005.htm

Funding blunder doomed Beagle
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 56,00.html