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#29251 Re: Human missions » Might Shuttle C - save Hubble? » 2004-08-19 07:10:26

US Working To Resume Space Shuttle Flights In March
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-04u.html
The ISS urgently needs large scale resupply.

#29252 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ISS cutbacks » 2004-08-19 05:05:06

The last half of this page of response postings at  http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin/ikonboar … 260;st=165
have really been dealing with Iss cutbacks under the Hubble Mistake action needed topic. My response is the same from here down.

But in response to why other vehicle that could lift modules or nodes to the iss for install.
First you have the shuttle arm used to place into location for attachment to the Iss.
second is that each module was not designed to take the pressures of launch to orbit on the hulls or outer shell.

Designing a new shell to take these forces would probably weigh more than each module and still there would be the need for how to remove from protective casing once in orbit with the ISS and what to do with the casing as well.

#29253 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-19 05:01:53

The last half of this page of response postings are really dealing with the ISS cutbacks isssue on this site under the science and technology topic ISS cutbacks

http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin....ntry169

But in response to why other vehicle that could lift modules or nodes to the iss for install.
First you have the shuttle arm used to place into location for attachment to the Iss.
second is that each module was not designed to take the pressures of launch to orbit on the hulls or outer shell.

Designing a new shell to take these forces would probably weigh more than each module and still there would be the need for how to remove from protective casing once in orbit with the ISS and what to do with the casing as well.

#29254 Re: Life on Mars » Life on Mars... Should we care? - I say no, terraform the place! » 2004-08-18 18:07:37

I too have longed for a chance to get into space but little or none of a chance since I am not rich, powerful and nor am I member of the working Nasa clan.
But the only reason to care at all about find any form of life is to know if it would be harmful to human life.

Also any more recently introduced lifes from Earth may have hitched rides aboard ours and other nations probes of the past 30 years plus.

#29255 Re: Planetary transportation » Simple Mars Vehicle Part 1 » 2004-08-18 14:17:42

While not being a 100% on target with this topic it does have some details of interest.
Next-gen rover to practice searching for life
Researchers prepare Zoë for test in Chilean desert
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5725501/

#29256 Re: Planetary transportation » Combining the Rover and Hab - Go RV'ing! » 2004-08-18 14:17:09

While not being a 100% on target with this topic it does have some details of interest.
Next-gen rover to practice searching for life
Researchers prepare Zoë for test in Chilean desert
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5725501/

#29257 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Rutan's SpaceShipTwo! - one passenger, orbital... » 2004-08-18 12:45:10

• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html

#29258 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-18 12:39:57

• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html

#29259 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Masten, new contender in the RLV market - Looks at DC-X an RVT as inspiration. » 2004-08-18 12:39:18

Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html

#29260 Re: Planetary transportation » baloon launcher - Cheap way to get to space » 2004-08-18 12:38:25

• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html

#29261 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-08-18 12:32:35

• Aug. 17, 2004 | 6 p.m. ET
Space-race updates on the World Wide Web:
• Flight International: Could SpaceShipOne go orbital?
http://www.flightinternational.com/fi_issu....ode=106
• X Prize Foundation: Argentine rocketeers test escape tower
http://www.xprize.com/press_r....0040813
• Masten Space Systems: New entrant in suborbital market
http://masten-space.com/
• The Guardian: Space travel goes sailing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article … 27,00.html

#29262 Re: Unmanned probes » Hubble to be fixed - Huzzah! » 2004-08-18 12:06:57

More on the other topic of is hubble a mistake action needed.
spacedaily article link on that page.
http://www.newmars.com/cgi-bin....ntry172

#29263 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-18 11:37:47

I had posted snipet from the same article with respect to the mating of the de-orbit stage if the gyros are left in that unit and not part of any change out operation done by the canadian arm dexter in that it would be unstable for use due to vibrations.

#29264 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Venus - methods anyone? » 2004-08-18 11:21:44

Venus: Inhabited World?
Interview with David Grinspoon

http://www.astrobio.net/news....thold=0

snipet:
The planet Venus is like Earth in many ways. It has a similar size and mass, it is closer to us than any other planet, and it probably formed from the same sort of materials that formed Earth. For years scientists and science fiction writers dreamed of the exotic jungles and life forms that must inhabit Earth's twin sister.

#29265 Re: Human missions » Moon vs Mars? - What did President Bush intend? » 2004-08-18 11:15:36

Well the debate is on for Manned vs. unmanned (again).
See the http://www.spacepolitics.com/ another blog site with commentary from the Truth news web site.

#29266 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-18 11:11:09

Of course with Hubble 2 they needed to update everything to last much longer than the Items did that needed replacing over all the years that hubble has been in space.
Batteries, Gyro's ect...

#29267 Re: Planetary transportation » Combining the Rover and Hab - Go RV'ing! » 2004-08-18 10:48:19

Here is an article from a while ago on the topic.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/lunar-04s.html

This link will provide more blog comments for when this article came out from the Project constellation.us site.
http://www.jburk.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=489

#29268 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-08-18 10:36:18

Wgc
I am getting tired of preaching this, here's whats need to be done, so far no president has committed to anything like this.

1) Space activities need to be made a cabinet position
2) Our space efforts should not compete against Veterans and the poor, funding it from that part of the budget is stupidity.
3) space funding should be multiyear, not subject to annual permutations.
4) Funding for space should come from multiple agencies in the government.
Perhaps satellite launches and aeronautics should be part of the department of transportation.

Well here is a list of What I believe to be current cabinet posts and who is in them. So how would that work giving it a post? Would that also mean a separate budget?

I agree that action must be taken but what form should it take is the question.

Cabinet Position             Cabinet Official
Agriculture Secretary         Ann Veneman
Attorney General             John Ashcroft
Commerce Secretary         Don Evans
Defense Secretary         Donald Rumsfeld
Education Secretary         Rod Paige 
Energy Secretary             Spencer Abraham

Health and Human Services
Secretary                               Tommy Thompson

Homeland Security         Tom Ridge 
Housing and Urban Development     Alphonso Jackson

Interior Secretary             Gale Norton
Labor Secretary             Elaine Chao
Secretary of State         Colin Powell
Transportation Secretary         Norman Mineta
Treasury Secretary         John Snow
Veterans Affairs Secretary         Anthony Principi


President Bush's Advisors         Position Advisor        
White House Chief of Staff         Andrew Card

Director of the Office of
Management and Budget         Josh Bolten 

National Security Advisor         Condoleezza Rice
Director National Economic Council     Steve Friedman

#29269 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-18 09:24:48

On a note of the shuttle return to flight.
Nasa news release Discovery Milestones Set Stage for Return To Flight
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/au … pdate.html

Since the first few flights will require a second shuttle be staged within a reasonable time how far off the time line is the next shuttle in its preperations for any such rescue attempt if needed.

#29270 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars steerable parachute » 2004-08-18 08:55:51

Just what Nasa needs to do, award another contract to the big guy's in the space biz. Did not the commissions final report say to use the private industry. I know that they recently asked for information on just that section of the report.

#29271 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » ISS:  Soldering Surprise » 2004-08-18 08:34:51

I has posted this yesterday under the Iss cutbacks topic.
So we actually can build things in space if given the tools. Who would have thought it something other than the science being trumpeted as the only use of the station.

Now here is a real surprise of science being done on the ISS.
Soldering Surprise
There's nothing routine about working in space, as astronaut Mike Fincke found out recently when he did some soldering onboard the International Space Station.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004 … solder.htm

#29272 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Da Vinci in the Running - Let the Space Race Begin! » 2004-08-18 07:45:57

All to service who, the elite of Nasa or the super wealthy. I do not think so. Space should be for everybody willing and wanting to go.

Yes the rockets are small but the knowledge that is gained by those that are attempting. This is done because it was not shared out of fear by The military, or Nations leaders and by Nasa. Not to mention the big guys in Lockheed and Boeing wanting to keep there piece of the pie.

So yes they are recreating the wheel but learning as they go to keep design, launch, operations and manufacturing costs down. This in its self will open up markets.

#29273 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-18 07:05:13

The rise and fall of a nations lead in the super power race can now a days be related to emerging nations come to dominance. For the same reason that a nation can come to power the inverse can be there down fall.

Just look at the manufacturing industry as a whole for the US. We have Seen nearly every job type outsourced and though this has made the Businesses more profitable to the owners and stock holders. The end result though has been rising unemployment rates, loss of job skills and so much more as it relates to the standard of living.

On the flip side of that if your jobs are unionized, civil serviced or government in form they become protected from this outsourcing to other nations that have lower labor rates.

#29274 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-18 05:31:49

The Case Against Hubble
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/hubble-04p.html

Snipet:
Aviation Week magazine reports that Hubble's engineers have concluded that the problem can't be solved simply by docking a Deorbit Stage to it- equipped with its own set of super-precise gyros- to precisely stabilize Hubble, or radio precise attitude information from the Stage's gyros to Hubble's own attitude-control system.

The is because the docking fixture- where the Stage must attach itself to Hubble- is fastened to a thin, mildly flexible aluminum bulkhead on Hubble's rear.

No matter how precisely the Stage tries to control its own, and the attached Hubble's attitude, the Telescope will wiggle back and forth - only slightly, but more than enough to ruin the super-precise pointing which Hubble must carry out to make any usable astronomical observations.

#29275 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Masten, new contender in the RLV market - Looks at DC-X an RVT as inspiration. » 2004-08-18 05:07:30

The Ansari X Prize hopes to do the same for space tourism. Scaled Composites’ chief engineer, Burt Rutan, believes that eventually passengers could experience a brief space voyage at a cost of $30,000 to $50,000 per person, with prices dropping in the long run to $10,000 to $12,000 each.
It is unclear what effect the popularity of the Ansari X Prize will have on U.S. government space spending.

http://www.easttexasreview.com/story.htm?StoryID=1855

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