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#29151 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-26 13:36:32

The battery company that I believe made them for Hubble.
http://www.srbatteries.com/aviation.htm

SR Batteries can supply you with custom made nickel cadmium battery packs and charging systems that will meet or exceed your needs.

The problem with nickel cadmium cells is called cell membrane barrier development which reduces the effective capacity of recharge current depth. They need to be fully discharged and then fully recharged before using. If one use this style and then charges it before it is fully discharge the barrier starts to develop limiting the availability to store a charge. The barrier only sometimes can be broken down by an over voltage applied charge but not always.

#29152 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-26 13:21:40

NASA says it’s fixed shuttle foam problem
But astronauts can’t patch Columbia-level damage
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5831547/

Snipet last paragraph:
The space agency is aiming for three shuttle flights in 2005 and then five a year through 2010, by which time station construction should be completed. The three remaining shuttles will be retired at that point, and NASA’s focus will shift to flying to the moon and beyond that to Mars.

I do not see Nasa even coming close to the 5 missions a year because of the turn around times after each flight.

#29153 Re: Life on Mars » Drake Equation??? Humbug!!!!! » 2004-08-26 12:24:45

Rather than looking for planets and then wondering if life might be there. How about say how large can our planet be in the inhabitable zone from the sun and still support life.

#29154 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-26 12:01:42

Batteries have a two fold effect when joined to solar array collectors, one is the storage of a charge for later use when the solar panel collections drop off but they also act like a capacitor in that they equalize the charge to an average voltage. So even if you throw out the batteries you would still need a large capacitance bank to equalize the voltage for use under changing loads.

Changing the rotation speed of a gyro changes the counter balancing response time.

#29155 Re: Life support systems » Mars on Earth 2001 - Mars Society spacecraft prototype » 2004-08-26 11:32:55

If you want to follow up with more articles on this subject go to the MarsNews.com site

marssociety.jpg

http://www.marsnews.com/focus/mars_society/

Recent article list:

5-Aug-04 - Lessons from an Arctic Mars (MSNBC)
4-Aug-04 - The designer suit for Mars (The Sydney Morning Herald)
3-Aug-04 - Flashline MARS Crew Completes Field Season (Mars Socieyt)
2-Aug-04 - Scientists target manned Mars mission (ABC Radio's AM)
29-Jul-04 - Mock Mars spacemen camp on Devon Island (Nunatsiaq News)

#29156 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct - and sustainabilty program » 2004-08-26 11:27:45

So even if the Space Exploration Vision is mandated I still see a problem with execution of it. The first being Funding, the second being NASA and the third being lack of designed equipment to do the job of going.

In baseball that is three strikes and you are out.

Private industry might be able to do the last one but it will be the others that will stop any chance of getting it done.

#29157 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-26 11:22:25

So we let Hubble die and wait for JSWT around 2011 to be placed at the L1 zone.

Is the reason for the delay of the JSWT technical or is it funding?

If it were funding related then it would be possible to shift the Hubble repair rescue funds to speed up the process of delivery. Such that the time between the demise of Hubble and its placement of the new telescope is kept to a minimum.

#29158 Re: Human missions » Might Shuttle C - save Hubble? » 2004-08-26 09:44:11

True about the large hole cement but if you have ever done any auto bondo work you would know that it will not stay in the hole unless you put in some sort of backing materiel to aid with holding it in place.
Also a protective wrap that is used at launch need not be overly aggressive since it does not see the re-entry heat. We are not looking to protect the ship once in orbit with the wrap only on the way up.

#29159 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-26 08:13:51

Even figuring the 5 items you mentioned, Which I have no cost figures for and the need for probably a few delta 4 an couple of Atlas V to get it there. We are lookin just in rocket purchase of 500 million to probably 750 million. The operations crew, Fuel and other stuff would just add to the cost of doing this to turn it into something usefull IMO. Ya, the cost could be spread out over a few years but how long should we continue to go slowly.

#29160 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-26 07:07:41

Ball Aerospace needs room
Company eyes more space in Boulder in coming years

http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc....00.html

snipet:
One example of how times have changed: In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Ball Aerospace helped build solar observation crafts that stood about 5 feet tall. By comparison, NASA's James Webb Space Telescope — to which Ball Aerospace will add an optical subsystem before it launches in 2010 — towers five times that height.

#29162 Re: Human missions » Rocket Business model for shuttle delta IV atlasV - and others good or bad » 2004-08-26 05:51:08

Items that can change a good working model into an ineffective or non operative one.

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Fixing culture may be toughest task
http://www.flatoday.com/news....URE.htm

Snipet:
On the spring day when Discovery sits out there on its launch pad waiting to return to space, saying "go" or "no go" for launch won't be so hard.

Wayne Hale, a veteran shuttle flight director, is accustomed to making tough choices on the spot. Instead, for Hale, the stuff to sweat over includes the countless wrenching decisions that must be made during this two-plus years between the last shuttle flight and the next one.

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No rubber stamps
http://www.flatoday.com/news....TLE.htm

Snipet:
T-minus seven months and counting, or so NASA hopes.

The agency continues to press for a March or April liftoff of the first post-Columbia shuttle flight, which must go without a hitch for its manned spaceflight program to regain traction and credibility with the public.

#29163 Re: Human missions » Might Shuttle C - save Hubble? » 2004-08-26 05:44:40

It seems like Nasa has no control over its own personel to get the jobs done. Giving up is not a option nor is ignoring the problems.

I myself have sent into the return to flight several ways to overcome ands actually recieved replies of which some have  comfirmation that they were following those same suggestions. Now I find that they are giving up on the RCC tile wrap over appoach to repair.

I say how about a wrap over prevention of another harder material than the RCC tiles. Something that does not matter if it degrades an burns off on re-entry or is jetisoned before.

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Time crunch looms over shuttle fixes

Work remaining on 10 of 15 shuttle return-to-flight initiatives must wrap up by mid-December to meet the March-April launch window
http://www.flatoday.com/news....AIN.htm

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NASA's backup plan involves rescue shuttles, space station

http://www.flatoday.com/news....CUE.htm

#29164 Re: Human missions » Might Shuttle C - save Hubble? » 2004-08-26 05:34:56

The eventual return to flight of the shuttle is progress though be at a snails pace.

Radar Test During Messenger Launch May Help "Return To Flight"
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/au … _test.html

Snipet:
Radar tracking data gathered during the Delta II launch of the MESSENGER spacecraft earlier this month has provided promising results that may benefit NASA's Space Shuttle Program and Discovery's Return to Flight.

#29165 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-26 05:30:34

The results of the Aldrigde Commissions report to Nasa and to the President for the Space Exploration Vision is still progressing with internal and external changes that effect America's space programs.

Mission may be lure at Marshall
Chief hopes planet probe attracts more research, scientists
http://www.al.com/news....850.xml

#29166 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-25 12:25:22

Found this link on an old topic on what to do with a shuttle when retired. I thought that it would be easy to implement.
Plus it would give more places to do science and give the private industry more reasons to start spending some cash on space to develope infrastruture to service them.

STS-Lab:  A Low Cost Shuttle-Derived Space Station

http://www.space-frontier.org/Project....tle.htm

#29167 Re: Human missions » Moon vs Mars? - What did President Bush intend? » 2004-08-25 11:49:27

On Mars, More Water From Pricey Plumbing
What do you do with all the waste on the long journey to Mars?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/24/scien … 4mars.html

#29169 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV - iformation station for the spacecraft » 2004-08-25 11:23:24

Just found this site with regards to the shuttle from an ex employee who has tried the chain of command inside nasa to make the vehicle safer with an escape pod.
http://www.nasaproblems.com/

fig40.jpg

#29170 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 11:13:23

If I recall correctly there was some discussion on the safety margin for bring Hubble bad in the cargo bay of the shuttle fully intact. Not sure if this was a report or not. I feel to lessen that effect you might remove Items to lower the weight some, in order to increase the safety margin.

#29171 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-08-25 11:07:43

We will need to keep the media from pre-announcing state electorial status while polls are open for projected winners of each state.

#29172 Re: Human missions » Kerry's position on space - any one know were Kerry stands » 2004-08-25 10:46:59

Lawyer Advising Vets Quits Bush Campaign Presidential Elections. Benjamin Ginsberg has been advising Bush on the veterans group TV ads running against Democrat John Kerry resigned Wednesday from Bush's campaign.

It is starting to look more like a dead heet than an election.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....up_bush

#29173 Re: Human missions » Hubble mistake - Action needed » 2004-08-25 10:37:40

Who says that you need a large telescope?

Small telescope reveals new planet
http://www.cnn.com/2004....ex.html

A tiny telescope has spotted a giant planet circling a faraway star, using a technique that could open a new phase of planetary discovery, scientists said Tuesday.
The small telescope with a 4-inch diameter -- about the size that some backyard astronomers might use -- tracked the periodic dimming of light from a bright star 500 light-years away that found this latest planet is part of a network of modest instruments called the Trans-Atlantic Exoplanet Survey, known as TrES.

#29174 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-08-25 10:32:17

Japan Plans to Launch Spy Satellites
Report Says Japanese Space Panel Approves Plan to Launch Spy Satellites in 2005-2006

Snipet:
A Japanese government panel has approved plans to send two spy satellites into Earth's orbit beginning next year, a media report said Wednesday.
If confirmed, the missions would be the first since late 2003 for Japan's ailing space program, which has suffered a slew of launch and mission failures.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040825_903.html

#29175 Re: Human missions » China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US? » 2004-08-25 10:27:40

The US-China space cooperation In this week's issue of The Space Review, Taylor Dinerman discusses the potential for cooperation between the US and China on space issues.
Forum topic discusion on this web site:

http://www.spacepolitics.com/

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