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List of Authors I find very interest since it is more like a united nations who's who.
Surname Name Country of Origin Current Occupation
Abiko Satoko Japan Ph.D. Student in Space Robotics
Tohoku University, Japan
Amaldi Andrea Italy Project Controller, ESA Human Spaceflight Dir. The Netherlands
Barr Yael Israel Medical Doctor
Israeli Aerospace Medicine Institute, Israel
Belin de Chantemèle Eric France Ph.D. Student Space Cardiovascular Physiology Université
Claude Bernard Lyon 1, France
Bonnewijn Sabrina Belgium Mechanical Engineer (Aerospace and Aeronautics) Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium
Chen Diane Canada Software Product Assurance Engineer
MD Robotics, Canada
Dewhurst Brian USA Staff Officer, Board on Physics and Astronomy National Research Council, USA
Eley Serena USA B.Sc. in Physics
California Institute of Technology, USA
Englund Dirk Germany/USA Ph.D. Student in Applied Physics
Stanford University, USA
Faiyetole Ayodele Nigeria Student, Master of Space Studies 2003-2004 International Space University, France
Fontaine Sylvie France Design Engineer, Ariane 5 Solid Propellant Booster Systems,
EADS Space Transportation, Bordeaux, France
Gebic Kemal Turkey Master’s Space Technologies Application, France;
Graduate Physics, France; Graduate Astronomy, Turkey
Grafe Mathias Germany M.Sc. Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Technical University of Dresden, Germany
Hales Jan Harry Denmark M.Sc. Student in Electrical Engineering Technical University of Denmark, Denmark
Hanratty C. David Ireland MEngSc (Research), B.E. (Mechanical) University College Dublin, Ireland
Jones Brandon USA Engineer
Titan Corporation, Houston, USA
Jones Edward USA Developmental Space Systems Engineer
Los Angeles Air Force Base, California, USA
Jones Amanda USA GPS Project Engineer
Los Angeles Air Force Base, California, USA
Klaus Kurt USA M.S. in Planetary Science
Adv. Computing, The Boeing Company, USA
Laufer René Germany Aerospace Engineer, Institute of Space Systems University of Stuttgart, Germany
Li Bin China Propulsion Systems Engineer, China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, China
Lim Dawn Canada Medical Student
University of Toronto, Canada
Matsumoto Kunihiro Japan ISS Payload Engineer,
NASDA, Japan
Mayrhofer Florian Austria Student of Molecular Biology
University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria
Müller Sánchez Francisco Mexico Master Student in Satellite Engineering Universität Karlsruhe, Karlsruhe, Germany
Nangalia Vishal UK Medical Doctor
United Kingdom v
Nguyen Hugo Sweden Researcher, The Ångstrom Space Technology Centre Uppsala University, Sweden
Nicolini Marco Italy Calculus, Physics, and Astronomy Teacher
Science and Technology Reporter, Italy
Ó Cuilleanáin Cian Ireland Student Master of Space Studies 03/04, ISU; B.E. (Mechanical)
University College Dublin, Ireland
Olansen Jon USA Lead Safety Engineer, Space Shuttle Upgrades
NASA/Johnson Space Center, Houston, USA
Organek Alison Canada Medical Student
University of Toronto, Canada
O'Rourke Johanna Australia Lawyer
Blake Dawson Waldron, Australia
Poon Tim Canada M.Sc. Student Electrical and Computer Eng. University of
Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Porfiri Katerina Greece Survey Engineer
Greek Ministry of Finance, Greece
Rico Julio France Master Engineer in Industrial Systems Engineering
Master’s Degree in Space Tech. Apps., France
Sentenai Alina Germany Master Student in Aerospace Engineering TU Munich, Germany
Master Student in General Engineering, EC Paris, France
Slane Kenneth USA Director, Business Practices, and Ethics Advisor
Rocketdyne Propulsion and Power, USA
Smith Leissa Canada Systems Engineer
MD Robotics, Brampton, Canada
Smith Heather USA Research Assistant
SETI Institute/ NASA Ames, USA
Takahashi Yuki USA/Japan Ph.D. Student in Astrophysics
University of California, Berkeley, USA
Tanaka Kentaro Japan International Marketing Section
JSAT Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
Tripp Timothy USA Senior Manager, Product Engineering
The Boeing Company, Huntsville, Alabama, USA
Van der List Marco The Netherlands Technical Project Manager
Bradford Engineering B.V., The Netherlands
Weik Johannes Germany/Bolivia Architect
Stuttgart, Germany
Zhu Beiyuan China Engineer, China Aerospace Science and Technology
Corporation, China
Zhu Zhichun China Engineer, China Aerospace Science and Technology
Corporation, China
Spelling your link would help with the extra T.
But I still did not find the execsummary pdf.
Martian Republic
I too feel that the shuttle external tank has value if it where give a ride the rest of the way up into orbit. To be re-used in a number of manners. They only cost 40 million in comparision to the 1 billion shuttle flight cost but it is essentially free once there in orbit. As you note there would have been at least a 100 of them to be reused. One a lot more garbage could go into one of them versus the very small progress M or proton. Also the progress M or proton could be recycled for it's engines and such making a very in expensive mission to the moon from the station possible.
Martian Republic
I too feel that the shuttle external tank has value if it where give a ride the rest of the way up into orbit. To be re-used in a number of manners. They only cost 40 million in comparition to the 1 billion shuttle flight cost but it is essentially free once there in orbit. As you note there would have been at least a 100 of them to be reused. One a lot more garbage could go into one of them versus the very small progress M or proton. Also the Progress M or proton could be recycled for it's engines and such making a very in expensive mission to the moon from the station possible.
I am posting this also under the moon direct topic.
Sorry guy's I am trying to caught up from the long weekend and all the numerous post to this topic.
Josh Cryer
You put it so nicely with the, if we develope it for the moon it will work for Mars approach to design needs.
Grypd
Your use of robotics for base construction is a plus. In another thread you make use of simular talents for re-use of any thing that is brought to the ISS. If it is there it is free since it has already be paid for.
Gennaro
The use of nuclear do to its higher outputting levels is a plus for a large base but it is a very costly in the early stages of man building initial bases on either the moon or Mars. Think free when it comes to solar energy and to the initial lower cost of the panels.
Great chemistry lessen Of getting what is needed for survival though chemical reactions.
The provision is that the plug is never pulled is the feeling I share as well, but how to get the funding and to lower the costs as we go is the question.
deagleninja
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We could send 2 Americans, 2 Russians, 1 European, 1 Japanesse, and 1 Chinesse and include every major space program in the world. Keep it simple by using mainly US tech with a dash of ESA and Russia and let the other counties help foot the bill for representation.
This is a great concept to get the other partner nations on the band wagon to the moon especially for those that have no put a man on it yet.
comstar03
Your right lets not think in 2D or just of building on the surfice.
Lets dig caves and line them to keep the precious gases from escaping, making of green houses inside these caverns and so much more.. Whether the moon ever has a large population it does not matter but it must become self sustaining and suffiencent.
Dook
Yes caves or self contained habitats.
The navies of the world live in subs for extended periods of time. We could learn a lot about the logistics of population to resources needed as viewed though there use as it would apply to either the moon or mars as the goal.
By the way the threads on your vehicles would be in high demand for use in either case.
As for the TV broadcast of the 60's nastalgia Black and white of the Moon or the color of Mars, I want both. Watching a reality show on the moon is only going to be interesting if it is made interesting. Not just simply a running camera catching everything that goes on.
As you noted with space, cost which must be lower in order to get industry to start investing. They also must have a place to call theirs to use as well in the mean time. Even if it is just an empty can with only the bare essentials to survive in it.
One big shot to mars direct just little more than flags and foot prints due mostly to travel time and the overly cautious Nasa at this time. Not to mention insufficient funds to build with while both the shuttle and the ISS are in use. Lowering costs for the ISS and for shuttle use is a must.
Major shuttle return to flight implementation plan announced for end of month. Since Nasa seems o be giving up on some recommendations.
Space elevator contest proposed ‘Elevator:2010’ aimed
at encouraging technology development
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5792719/
Seems like every activity wants to use the contest or bake off competitive style one upmanship to get things going....
We all know of what it entails to create a heavy lift vehicle.
1 payload max limit
2 stage payload drive alternate lander if possible
3 stage to leave orbit
4 stage to leave earth
5 external strap ons if needed
Selection of off the shelf may be possible for fuel to tank and of even some engines per stage combinations. The remainder is wiring and plumbing to get everything to where it needs to connect.
Grypd: Are you thinking solar reflector re-directors or are you thinking of solar cell collecting and beaming of the energy to the moon via microwave band.
You are right in trying to get something for free in the reuse of the ISS. Though it it still be a long way off before any privately own corporation can send anybody to it.
While very unique in that it is an alternative fuel for power generation. Australian engineers have created an electricity generator fuelled by decomposing bananas, and hope to build a full size fruit-fired power station.
Bananas could power Aussie homes
Would it be worth starting to lay any new modules in parallel to the existing station linking them together at the mid point and continuing to do so as each is added along the full length of the station. In addition bring up more gyro's to handle the additional loading weight of those new modules.
Depending on the close encounter of these near Earth objects what is the distance relationship to Earth that would allow for it to be deflected by gravity either to be directed on a collision course or to be captured. Any references?
Well, since we are able to see a 14 x Earth with a very small telescope maybe we have finally found a way by which to link telescopes to finally actually see them that are much larger.
One can only hope to see another blue marble around an alien sun...
I was not quite sure of which topic to post this under but her goes.
We all know that developement of Nuclear power for space use is a must but in the same vein we know how dangerous it can be as well. Though a slow process of learning and or understanding we can build safer and more robust reactors. We must over come or fears of it for the eventual use of it in space to shorten the length of time to the planets and to give the much needed power resource for use for extended flights.
Analysis: Nuclear Power Gaining Popularity
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nuclear-civil-04l.html
Speaking of adding more modules to the station, the Russian do plan on just that.
Russia to add new module to ISS in 2007
http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.htm … &PageNum=0
A lot of the designs have been tested within many of the universities and research labs but they have not been massed produced for real applied use.
I just do not get how we can keep awarding contracts this way. The money paid must be for pre paid storage of the 4 delta's.
Boeing wins rocket contract despite suspension
http://www.centredaily.com/mld....249.htm
Bureaucracy Pins Rocket to Earth, Da Vinci a privately developed spacecraft, still doesn't have a couple of precious pieces of paper it needs to get to space. I guess they feel that the rocket has not been though enough testing to ensure safety of crew and of flight area.
Structural engineering would probably run an I-beam or truss the length of the modules and to tie each module to it to give it a more ridget support system rather than putting stress on the node inter connection points. But how would one get a continuous piece up to the station since no vehicle could bring up one of the appropiate length. All the more reason to do more than science at the station.
The problem with any colonization is trade routes must be established. That in itself would aid private and commercial business to finally join in because they can see a profit is to be made.
A launching pad from a moon base colony is only one thing that it could or should be doing the other is useful mineral export trade from Earth to the moon as well as from the moon the Mars. In addition Mars should and probably be doing the same thing with exporting similar minerals to the moon as well as to Earth if one only takes the time to look.
But for china's people to want to buy American goods they need to be equal to or of lower cost than there own produced products.
Why waist the time with sending any probes at all?
We do not need science to build, only mining or bull dozer equipment. We know where we want to be for the chance of water contained regolith at the poles in deep creaters. Pick one it has two of them to chose from.
What will be of need for telerobotics is networking of satelites to allow for constant communications.
Once the cave or mining hole is dug. Then what next? Man... and more.
Lets go....