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Good to here the mission is on track.
How much of a cost savings to the reduced time spent tracking the unit, hum... I wonder?
There has been a number of stories running on the food shortage or at least the prospective chance that one will occur for the crew some time before the next progress is to arrive. Though this is not all that bad considered how close they are to us it could and would terrible to any crew on the Moon or Mars.
What ever happened to the food growing projects?
The occupied ERV lander seems to not have the down mass capability for the rover and consumables needed for the duration. What would the numbers be for a bare bones unmanned (ERV) lander that is derived from the manned version? In other wards less crew weight, oxygen system, heaters ext... Would this new vehicle be capable then?
Yes these are all great things that have been done to further the use of ground based telescopes but what of all the old units. Have there sites all been bull dozered to make way for these brand new units.. In a word no. There role and work has changed and even possibly lessened. Why should space telescopes be any different?
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News article that proports the possibility and impact of doing a single mission for the michoud plant.
Michoud cheers support for space shuttle Panel backs manned flights
Each 154-foot-long tank costs about $43 million and takes about 18 months to build.
Under a space plan crafted by President Bush in the wake of the shuttle Columbia tragedy, NASA is expected to retire the current shuttle fleet in 2010, once they complete the 25 to 30 trips needed to finish construction of the international space station.
Each of those trips would require a fuel tank from Michoud. But work building the tanks could end before then because NASA has a backlog of seven tanks. Another 12 tanks are in various stages of completion.
There looks like there are some hidden military goals of space that were not clear to all in congress.
What is America's top-secret spy program? Experts think Democrats objected to satellite weapon
What is the hush-hush intelligence project that apparently costs a fortune and has angered key Democratic senators?
Senator: Mystery Spy Project Dangerous
The latest mystery in Washington espionage circles came to light in an unlikely venue: the floor of the U.S. Senate.
Tucked inside Congress' new blueprint for U.S. intelligence spending is a highly classified and expensive spy program that drew exceptional criticism from leading Democrats.
Well here is another way of putting it the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) shorlists six foreign projects for moon mission This was intended to allow foreign packages of experiments to be on the orbiter but they are now trying for a lander instead.
I guess I do not understand the ERV? It lands empty of crew, creates fuels from insitu material, crew boards with samples, launches to Mars orbit, and is the size of a soyuz.
Ok then what's in orbit to dock with if anything from the trip from Earth to the red planet?
Where's all the consumables for the return trip if there is nothing in orbit?
How will you get the needed fuel for the return to earth burn since it was all exhausted to get to mars orbit?
Yup that was one of the orginal intents once it had out lived it's usefullness. It was I think some time ago that it was ruled to hazardous to return in that manner though.
Earlier I had put forth the concept of cannibalizing it while in orbit to supplement a Hubble II replacement by the shuttle crew or by any other means. If shuttle where used then the lighter remaining pieces could be brought back down.
Well with the aging employee comes the problem of educating replacements.
SPACETEC ADVANCES WITH KEY FEDERAL PARTNERSHIPS
The SpaceTEC national center of excellence for aerospace technician training has entered into partnerships with two key federal agencies—the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the U.S. Department of Labor (USDOL)—underscoring the importance of SpaceTEC’s mission to train the next generation of space industry workers.
WELCOME TO THE SPACEPORT CENTER...
BCC's Spaceport Center operates from the Center for Space Education at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex. The two-year Associate Degree programs prepare graduates for entry-level positions in the aerospace industry, including both reusable spacecraft such as the Space Shuttle and expendable vehicles such as the Delta IV and Atlas V.
The last workshop by Nasa was August 24.
http://probews2.arc.nasa.gov/Conf_Session3.shtml
Page gives reference to a Neptune polar orbitor and team info but not much else can be gotten.
to long wait :down:
• Dec. 8, 2004 | 7:25 p.m. ET
Holding out an X Prize cup: Now that the X Prize Foundation has handed out its $10 million purse and trophy, it's raising fresh funds for follow-ups, including the X Prize Cup , envisioned as an annual suborbital space competition modeled after the great aviation races of the past and present. In a letter to its e-mail list, the foundation admits that this year's space race left its "fuel tanks dry," and asks for donations to meet a dollar-for-dollar match of up to $100,000. Check out X Prize Race News for the letter and further background.
Now on the flipside of things going towards mars research we have the mars society desert center and a few others from the same group but where is Nasa other than a token appearence.
Well the russians are doing what Nasa is not Russian scientists are selecting volunteers to be locked in a capsule for 500 days to test plans for a trip to Mars.
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Here is another effort to simulate the conditions that will be seen by 0 g's on the trip to mars.
Travelling to Mars in your dreams?
Can you imagine spending eight weeks in bed? ESA is looking for female volunteers who are prepared to do just that for a study taking place in Toulouse, France, from the end of February next year.
And that is all on the bet that nuclear power for prometheus is developed on time and not delay or cut from future budget years between now and the far off future.
Congress Passes Bill Allowing Space Tours
Industry lobbyists contended that space tourists must fly at their own risk, and that more stringent safety regulations would stifle innovation. The bill requires passengers to be informed of the risks involved, and the Federal Aviation Administration may issue regulations to protect the non-flying public's health and property and the country's national security and foreign policy interests.
Chinese Threat to American Leadership in Space
According to the Pentagon, China publicly opposes militarization of Space and tries to prevent or slow down the development by the U.S. of anti-satellite weapons (ASAT) and missile defense by diplomatic means. In private, however, it is considering that the development of such weaponry may in fact be inevitable if they wish to maintain any pretence to multipolarity in the future, even going to the length of searching abroad for technical knowledge.
Jumping back in from the other threads thoughts.
Once the partners agreements to lift the modules to the station have been forfilled and the US wants to back out, there becomes a time when only a shuttle size cargo area will be needed for repairs. This by in large will force the US to support this few missions with the current orbitors for ever how long the partners plan on keeping the ISS in orbit.
Point was, we have already seen that the gyros must use a shuttle to get them there and there must be other parts that can only be replaced by the shuttle ex. solar panels, radiators ect..
So even when we think we can get rid of the shuttle it keeps coming back to haunt us in the end or at least until the ISS comes down.
I am continuing my thoughts on shuttle and ISS in the ISS woes thread.
But then you also have to pick your partners carefully since there are the security reasons to think of as well.
The fat will not necessarily be trimmed thou but other side effects will also be seen.
Such as the rationalization that the Hubble mission should not be done or at least the second guessing as to the least costly method. Mission cancellation, or of delay creep to launch dates. There are other facilities also being hit by the role back of employment numbers.
Well we are seeing the effects of the current years passed budget in the ranks of employee layoffs but what other side effect will this also have is a deeper question.
News on previous post of the Space-industry firms may join forces. Space-related firms aim high for future
Business and government leaders discussed their concerns about an aging workforce and a lack of collaboration in the state at a space-industry meeting that drew 225 people Wednesday to the Colorado History Museum.
Space industry slows Large companies' growth to continue in 2005, but pace of hiring to slacken
Colorado's space industry remains a bright spot in the state's otherwise sluggish economy, but key aerospace contractors here forecast a slowdown in their job hiring in 2005.
Big companies still anticipate adding to their payrolls. But the hiring pace is expected to moderate from what, in some cases, has been rapid growth, as work wraps up on contracts and companies await word from Uncle Sam on pending deals.
Colorado's space industry remains a bright spot in the state's otherwise sluggish economy, but key aerospace contractors here forecast a slowdown in their job hiring in 2005.Big companies still anticipate adding to their payrolls. But the hiring pace is expected to moderate from what, in some cases, has been rapid growth, as work wraps up on contracts and companies await word from Uncle Sam on pending deals.
Here is some more on the outer planet exploration.
Nuclear-powered mission to Neptune could answer questions about planetary formation
In 30 years, a nuclear-powered space exploration mission to Neptune and its moons may begin to reveal some of our solar system's most elusive secrets about the formation of its planets -- and recently discovered ones that developed around other stars.
This vision of the future is the focus of a 12-month planning study conducted by a diverse team of experts led by Boeing Satellite Systems and funded by NASA. It is one of 15 "Vision Mission" studies intended to develop concepts in the United States' long-term space exploration plans.
A mission to investigate the origin and structure of Neptune --expected to launch between 2016 and 2018 and arrive around 2035 -- will increase scientists' understanding of diverse planetary formation in our solar system.
The plan is based on the availability of nuclear-electric propulsion technology under development in NASA's Project Prometheus. A traditional chemical rocket would launch the spacecraft out of Earth orbit. Then an electric propulsion system powered by a small nuclear fission reactor – a modified submarine-type technology -- would propel the spacecraft to its deep-space target. The propulsion system would generate thrust by expelling electrically charged particles called ions from its engines.
Here's another link on this with some interesting facts.
Chilly Quaoar had a warmer past
Crystalline ice suggests remote object has radioactive interior.
Question how does one get radioactive material from gas clouds condensing? ???
Part of the problem that the exploration office must deal with is not doing R&D developement of probes, rockets and such but of the concepts to measure, test for and to select the places that we wish to go. This should be done with steady state selectible products. When the R&D work has been done then include such devices into on going missions.