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#28851 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) - rover » 2005-01-07 05:44:41

Great though for using what works and to keep changing as needed the instrumentation package as we go but there in lays some of the problem that may require altering the MER to much. For each instrument requires power consumption rates that are different, The weight of the instruments that you would want to swap out for the new one would also need to have simular properties of weight distribution and have the same basic shape in addition in order to fit in the same location.

#28852 Re: Human missions » Hubble Mistake **2** - Action still Needed » 2005-01-07 05:36:45

I think if a shuttle mission to Hubble is to be done, IMO it should also have a bigelow inflatable Hab sent just prior to launch to aid with in space shuttle inspection, possible repair and to serve as a safe haven if they are forced to wait. This would give the inflatable all the test trial that it would need and would give Nasa back some confidence that it can do this style of mission. It would also set in motion the oportunity for stepping back into space as a start to creating supply chain infrastucture to not only keep the ISS manned but also the new Habitat as well. The more places in orbit we have to go and do science within the more chance we will have at getting launch cost down and possibly more of a chance for private industry to finally start building without contracts. So as to have ships ready and off the shelf for such activity.

#28853 Re: Human missions » More ISS hardball - How does this affect US vision? » 2005-01-06 13:55:48

Russia To Focus Its ISS Projects

Well the Russians are not sitting by idle with there plans to use the Station to its fullest in the air.

Russian ISS segment would be complete by 2011. Plans call for launching into orbit a multi-purpose laboratory module in 2007, a science and power platform in 2009, and another laboratory module in 2011.

What segments does the US have remaining to place into orbit?

#28854 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Deep Impact Crashing mission - Comet Tempel 1 target » 2005-01-06 08:28:04

To read the past, NASA smacks a comet

It's a concept even kids can relate to: If you want to see what's inside a rock, whack it with a hammer.

The impactor is expected to hit the surface of the comet - a potato-shaped object estimated at 2.5 miles across and 7 miles long - with the energy of 4.5 tons of TNT.

The event - whose effect on the comet's course researchers liken to a mosquito hitting a 747 in mid-flight - will be widely watched.

Astronomers also will train the Hubble Space Telescope and its infrared counterpart, the Spitzer Space Telescope, on the comet during the impact. Large ground-based observatories also will record the spectacle. In addition, a legion of amateur astronomers has been enlisted to supply digital images of Tempel 1 before, during, and after impact. They can spend longer stretches of the calendar monitoring the comet than can big telescopes, where observing time is a precious commodity.

#28855 Re: Human missions » Long duration Human space missions - Can we survive them? » 2005-01-06 08:23:16

Building a tool to examine bone quality for space and Earth-based diagnosis

A portable imaging device currently in development by the National Space Biomedical Research Institute (NSBRI) will produce clear, highly detailed pictures of bone and tissue, helping physicians manage bone health in space and on Earth. The Scanning Confocal Acoustic Diagnostic system, or SCAD, will enable doctors to determine the rate of loss and plan treatment options with the aid of high-quality images, taken noninvasively.

Sort of sounds like an ultra sound machine used to view new born child developement.

Other noble uses for this technology:

“Aside from use inflight, my goal is to make this device available to physicians across disciplines to improve the diagnosis of osteopenia and osteoporosis,” Qin said. “Because such diseases are essentially painless at the initial stages, they are difficult to pinpoint and often diagnosed late.”

#28857 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » TRMM Spacecraft - (Earth's Tropical Rainfall Patterns) » 2005-01-06 07:48:05

Last year the satelites funding was to be terminated but got a last minute reprieve and now its seems that it will have another. It would seem that it is in the right place at the right time do to all the servere weather and disaster patterns as of late.

#28858 Re: Human missions » Hubble Mistake **2** - Action still Needed » 2005-01-06 07:44:51

With regards to all the contracts to rescue the Hubble it sure would be interesting to find out what escape and or condition clauses these all contain.


Space Robot Maker MDA Nets Hubble Repair Deal

MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd. said on Wednesday it has signed a $154 million deal to help NASA's controversial repair mission to fix the aging Hubble Space Telescope.

The Canadian firm that built the Canadarm robotic arm technology used on NASA's space shuttles won the contract "to provide a potential information and robotic servicing solution" in a rescue project being eyed for 2007.

"It's a proving ground for the human race, whether we can do this (repair work) in space," Friedmann said.

MDA signed a C$6.5 million ($5.3 million) deal in December with Lockheed Martin Corp. to work on docking technology that would allow a spacecraft to rendezvous with Hubble for repairs and, at a later date, remove the space observatory from orbit.

corporate news releaseMDA Signs Contract Valued At $154 Million U.S. To Provide Hubble Rescue Solution

Canadian space robot may make Hubble service call

Dextre is the dual-armed robot built by MDA under contract to the Canadian Space Agency to conduct exterior maintenance of the International Space Station. The robot is specially designed to perform complex tasks in the harsh environment of space, such as installing and removing batteries, power supplies, computer units, and scientific payloads. It will be adapted to replace batteries, gyroscopes, and perhaps an instrument on the $1.5-billion scientific Hubble Space Telescope to extend its life.

MDA space robots to the rescue, maybe Deal with NASA holds great potential for the Richmond company

The big "if" associated with the deal is because NASA is also considering an alternative rescue plan using a space shuttle and its crew. If NASA picks the shuttle option, the MDA contract can be revoked.

The target date for launching a rocket that will carry the robots to Hubble is December 2007, although a NASA official cautioned that the space shuttle-based rescue is still being considered.

The pressure on NASA to consider such an option increased last month when the main U.S. association of scientific advisers, the National Research Council, said a space shuttle mission was the most secure option for performing crucial maintenance on the aging Hubble.

#28859 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Deep Impact Crashing mission - Comet Tempel 1 target » 2005-01-06 06:55:01

Nasa DEEP IMPACT SPACECRAFT LAUNCHING ABOARD DELTA II JAN. 12 update

July 4, 2005, the Deep Impact spacecraft will arrive at Comet Tempel 1.

Deep Impact is comprised of two parts, a "fly-by" spacecraft and a smaller "impactor" to be released into the comet's path for a planned collision. The effects of the collision with the comet will be observed by the fly-by spacecraft, the Hubble, Spitzer and Chandra great observatories, and by telescopes on Earth.

I wonder what the fly-by will accomplish?

#28860 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) - rover » 2005-01-06 05:53:54

yup saw that but if it raises the cost to much or if it comes at all down to the integrity of the quality of the units built IMO just say no and build a real good unit that will last.

#28861 Re: Human missions » NASA Exploration of Mars Strategic Roadmap Committ - Planning the future. » 2005-01-05 11:22:47

This the first direct comments from the Indo-Asian News Service with regards to medical efforts by there nation in cooperation with the US for possible mars mission in the future.
US astronauts to go to Mars after 2020

#28862 Re: Human missions » Hubble Mistake **2** - Action still Needed » 2005-01-05 10:41:53

The worst part about all of the discussion on shuttle, Hubble, Iss is not that we have them but that we do not get enough science from them, that they cost to much, that there is to much risk in using them and that we can not repair them robotically in the time frame left ect.... wa wa wa

First space does cost a lot
second we must take some risks
Third we must do and succeed by doing, oh we can not do it

#28863 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) - rover » 2005-01-05 09:39:02

Mars Science Laboratory: Next Wheels On Mars

Very good write up of how the sky crane will work and the testing that will be done to ensure success.

The price tag for the MSL project is just under $1.5 billion – that includes the rover’s nuclear power source, as well as the launcher to hurl the hardware to Mars – either a Delta 4 Heavy or an Atlas 5 rocket.

At present, MSL is a one-of-a-kind robot mission. That could change. Talk has begun on tossing two of the roving labs Marsward.

MSL science instruments and their respective principal investigators (PIs) are:

Mars Science Laboratory Mast Camera: Performs multi-spectral, stereo imaging at lengths ranging from kilometers to centimeters, and can acquire compressed high-definition video at 10 frames per second without the use of the rover computer. PI, Michael Malin, Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, California.
ChemCam: A laser-induced remote sensing device for chemistry and micro-imaging. It ablates surface coatings from materials at standoff distances of up to 33-feet (10-meters) and measures elemental composition of underlying rocks and soils. PI, Roger Wiens, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico.
Mahli: This Mars HandLens Imager for the Mars Science Laboratory images rocks, soil, frost and ice at resolutions 2.4 times better, and with a wider field of view, than the Microscopic Imager now onboard the dual Mars Exploration Rovers, Spirit and Opportunity. PI, Kenneth Edgett, Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, California.
Alpha-Particle-X-ray-Spectrometer: Reveals elemental abundance of rocks and soil. It will be provided by the Canadian Space Agency. PI, Ralf Gellert, Max-Planck-Institute for Chemistry, Mainz, Germany.
CheMin: An X-ray Diffraction/X-ray Fluorescence instrument for definitive mineralogical analysis. It identifies and quantifies all minerals in complex natural samples such as basalts, evaporites and soils, one of the principle objectives of the MSL mission. PI, David Blake, NASA's Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California.
Radiation Assessment Detector: Characterizes the broad spectrum of radiation at the surface of Mars, an essential precursor to human exploration of the planet. The instrument would be funded by the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters. PI, Donald Hassler, Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, Colorado.
Mars Descent Imager: Produces high-resolution color-video imagery of the descent and landing phase, providing geological context information, as well as allowing for precise landing-site determination of the rover. PI, Michael Malin, Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, California.
SAM: This Sample Analysis at Mars features an integrated set of devices consisting of a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer and a tunable laser spectrometer. It conducts mineral and atmospheric analyses, detect a wide range of organic compounds and perform stable isotope analyses of organics and noble gases. PI, Paul Mahaffy, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland.

#28864 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » The Millau Highway Bridge » 2005-01-05 08:37:06

France's soaring Millau bridge seen from orbit by Proba is a micro-satellite developed by ESA's General Support Technology Programme.

#28865 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Planned Earthly or Space Telescopes - from any nation » 2005-01-05 08:07:32

Libya set to build largest telescope in North Africa

Libya has ordered a 13-million-dollar telescope from France. Built by Sagem, a French electronics group, the telescope will be two metres (6.5 feet) diameter and remote-controlled.

#28866 Re: Human missions » ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2005-01-05 07:27:38

Well the Repaired Oxygen Generator Fails Again Aboard ISS

Russian flight controllers used 7.1 pounds of the 110 pounds of oxygen and air aboard Progress 16, which arrived on Dec. 25 and contained about a two-week supply, Navias said during ISS mission commentary today.

Additional oxygen sources aboard the ISS include a 42-day supply in the form of solid fuel canisters, as well as two full tanks inside the U.S.-built Quest airlock.

Station crew troubleshoots oxygen generator problem

The reserves are in the form of so-called "candles," which produce oxygen as a by-product of combustion,

Crew can breathe easy despite bad generator

Solid-fuel oxygen generation cartridges burn lithium perchlorate within metal housings. The resulting chemical reaction produces oxygen that is vented into the station's atmosphere. The devices are similar to those used aboard commercial airliners to produce breathing air for drop-down emergency oxygen masks.

Well the russian equipment may be cheap but is it really worth it in the long run?  ???

#28867 Re: Human missions » NASA Exploration of Mars Strategic Roadmap Committ - Planning the future. » 2005-01-05 06:54:46

So my question, is there a moon planning committee as well or any other planet or solar system exploration planning effort other than this one?

#28868 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tsunami in Asia » 2005-01-05 05:56:47

Well this mornings radio news had an arab news media as saying that a joint Japanese, US and a few other nations set off an atomic bomb that caused this catastrophy.  sad This same radio news also warned of child trafficing, kidnapping and such fears. sad
They also commented that not much news of the American efforts to aid in this disaster were being broadcast as another way that the media was clouding the reality of things. sad Then they topped this all off with the followup news on Bagdad assasination and car bombing as if to put more bad light on the US war. sad
Just Great how the news media can play both sides to distort the truth. :angry:

#28869 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Krakatoa eruption in the 1800's » 2005-01-05 05:47:34

Yup heard of the island that blewup the impact of the dust in the atmosphere lowering temperatures and making for some of the best sun sets.

#28870 Re: Civilization and Culture » Should we use an ecological approach? - Creating a Stable Martian Civilization » 2005-01-05 05:44:18

Sounds sort of like a biosphere or domed facility, a dry run here on Earth to see if it can be done.

If we use the biosphere experiment of utah as the base line we can expect a few things before we start. IMO do not try to copy all the various environments here on Earth or to try and use all types of creatures or living organisms in it.

Things that effect changes with in the domed world would be solar energy recieved from the sun fluctuation, Earth weather patterns and of course Murphy's law sad

#28871 Re: Human missions » 2005 budget year effects - How it will effect Nasa's Future » 2005-01-05 05:32:02

Or at least informing others of new release not heard by the general public in all parts of the world and of there sources.

#28872 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » *Where* Does Space Begin? » 2005-01-04 14:54:34

I guess from a human point when the air can no longer sustain one's being. But from a rockets stand point it would be to achieve orbit velocity. Also from a rockets stand point that would also be re-entry heat shield required.

#28873 Re: Human missions » Long Duration Lunar Mission "Dry Run" - for Mars Direct » 2005-01-04 12:57:48

If memory recalls correctly the Lunar Prospector failed to prove the presence of ice.

#28874 Re: Human missions » ESA - Aurora Program » 2005-01-04 12:27:01

I guess that the last part of the education question should be is: What is a reasonable cost per particular level achieved? To what proficiency level does that amount of education increase productivity versus on the job or some hybird of the two forms?

Which brings me back to why is space so costly, is it because we pay a design engineers cost for a laborer level of educational need?

#28875 Re: Human missions » NASA Exploration of Mars Strategic Roadmap Committ - Planning the future. » 2005-01-04 11:50:41

NASA Exploration of Mars Strategic Roadmap Committee Charter

PURPOSE AND DUTIES

1. The Committee will draw on the expertise of its members and other sources to provide advice and recommendations to NASA on Mars exploration, including robotic exploration of Mars to search for evidence of life, to understand the history of the solar system, and to prepare for future human exploration. The purview of the Committee also includes advice and recommendations on human expeditions to Mars after acquiring adequate knowledge about the planet using these robotic missions and after successfully demonstrating sustained human exploration missions to the Moon. Recommendations to be provided by the Committee will help guide Agency program prioritization, budget formulation, facilities and human capital planning, and technology investment.

2. The Committee shall function solely as an advisory body and will comply fully with the provisions of the FACA.

3. The Committee reports to the Associate Deputy Administrator for Systems Integration (ADA-SI) and to the Administrator.

A first step lasting 15 months but very important if we ever want to colonize mars in the far off future.

The NASA Exploration of Mars Strategic Roadmap Committee will be meeting 4-6 January 2005 at NASA JPL.

NASA PAO supplied the following membership list of this committee to NASA Watch:



Alphonso Diaz, NASA Science Mission Directorate, co-chair
Charles Elachi, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, co-chair
A. Thomas Young, Lockheed Martin (retired), co-chair
Ray Arvidson, Washington University
Robert Braun, Georgia Institute of Technology
James Cameron, producer/writer/director
Aaron Cohen, Texas A & M University
Steven Dorfman, Hughes Electronics (retired)
Linda Godwin, Johnson Space Center
Noel Hinners, Lockheed Martin (retired)
Kent Kresa, Northrop Grumman
Gentry Lee, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Laurie Leshin, Arizona State University
Shannon Lucid, Johnson Space Center
Paul Mahaffy, Goddard Space Flight Center
Christopher McKay, Ames Research Center
Sally Ride, University of California, San Diego
Lawrence Soderblom, U.S. Geological Survey
Steven Squyres, Cornell University
Margaret (Peggy) Whitson, Johnson Space Center

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