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Many Fork lifts run on LP for internal warehouse use. You would make basically a fuel pump or a suction pump( reverse of a compressor) but instead you would put it on the oxygen line from the storage unit. Mix the gasses in the intake or in the cylinder and add spark to ignite. Trap exhaust and compress to storage tank for re-use else where.

Think about your last blog.
It requires much more air to vapor to ignite. Stuff that is wet and very cold will not ignite easily. I think the methane would be more like a slush than a gas in the cold reaches of space.

I have always wonder how and why Nasa gets wrapped up in so many things that have little or nothing to do with space travel, exploration or for that matter space archelogy.

Here is a use of this highly costly resource here on earth.
NASA Uses High-Tech X-Ray Equipment to Examine Dinosaur Skull

But where is the pay back for the use of there personel and equipment? ???

Yes and that is what is disturbing in that the funding needed to carry out the 2008 Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter mission was cut..

NASA Uses Budgetary Authority To Shift Funds Toward Exploration Vision

Live from another world

Thou the title Fire and brim stone be a little off for the content of the spacereview article it however does discusion the use of this old project and the efforts to turn this sort of power level into something akin to teraforming our way of energy use and supply.

I have not seen anything as of yet that would or has cancelled the mission to Pluto by the New Horizon Probe.

Then how can we have a space craft fly off in 2008 of an umanned craft if there is no money?
On another note of Workforce Challenges at Ames Research Center - and Elsewhere at NASA

Kind of like what just transpired aboard the ISS with the recent food shortage...
When is science no longer science but is the norm needed to sustain to quest for knowlegde of any topic? When does science become the main stream of research use and is no longer science?
Science is the investigation of the unknown.. used to observe and to solve the puzzle of the unexplained.
Scientists are engineers but rather of the explorationary kind, they ask the question of why, of what, and reason to a solution in engineering terms.

One would hope that to be true but then that would require very little design effort and a very short timeline to actually having the CEV up and flying.
Looking at the Nasa time line for unmanned flight to manned was 6 years as listed by Nasa's exploration plan.
If that's is true then it is a lot harder than we both could imagine.

I think that the slow down is more related to what is coming out our government and from Nasa with regards to getting going again.
I also used to be on other boards more often and they all seem to experience up and downs with blogging commenters as the amount of news changes for the given topic forums of interest.
Not much news coming out about the CEV so there is little to talk about though this is the craft that will get us from LEO to the moon, Mars and beyound. It would seem that it is more tied up in running the gauntlet of buracracy than to actually seeing some company making it.

Yup more links on the spacetoday.net page with simular rhetoric of why not using a single rocket launch system is good, Why getting the shuttle to finish the ISS is a must and more.

[url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asecspace07010705jan07,1,4945176.story?coll=orl-home-headlines] Space policy goes private
The White House blueprint includes strong support for commercialization.[/url]

Bush Plans to Boost Commercial Human Space Flight
At least nuclear power get discussed in this one not just shuttle , atlas and delta rockets.

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Sounds very much like a military need and presence is warranted.

Sounds like the military budget should then fund NASA.

Numbered goals are in line with military expectations but on the side of the private industry developement if the companies that develope say a large thrust ISP engine are the only ones that can make such an item them there is no competition and no lowering of cost of doing space. This also hold true for the Implementation Guidelines To achieve the goals of this policy section of this document as well.

The section on Space Exploration is all Nasa and says very little.

Transformation of Space Transportation Capabilities section sets in motion to outline Within two years from the date of this policy to develop the requirements, concept of operations, technology roadmaps, pursue research, development of space nuclear power and advanced propulsion technologies to more quickly, affordably, and safely expand the reach of exploration into the solar system and beyond.

Commercial Space Transportation, U.S. Space Transportation Industrial and Technology Base is IMO where the most change is needed.

Nonproliferation and Use of Excess Ballistic Missiles section is military secrets and proliferation protection such that anything derived from the process is not allowed to be used as a weapon against us in the future.