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A good way to travel, if there was ever one devised, would be to harvest the power of neutrinoes.  If I'm getting my figures right, there are more neutrinos hitting you at night (they come from the sun, if anyone didn't know, if everyone already does, never hurts to reiterate things 8) )than photons during the day.  They only interact through the weak force and gravity, so it will be hard to stop them/use some of their energy, butmybe using high  concentracions of neutrons.  The onlu problem with this is that they decayv into protium (hudrogen 1) after about 15 minutes.  Any ideas?

I meant on mars, as part of ISRU ideas.  Of course  it would be better to use H and O, but I don't think we will have that kind of capacity.  For design simplicity of a monopropellant, and the fact that H2O2 is already there, I thought we might use that.

How many kgs of fuel does it take to bring 1 kg of mass to LMO?  Also, how much H2O2 is in the average martian soil?  Could it be 'harvested' to provide rocket fuel?

according to space.com, orbit averages 360 km

I know it would be unpalatable, but couldn't algae be used as food?  They would help to generate O2, they might even generate all of the necessary O2, but that isn't the point.  They could be engineered (in theory) to collect up nutrients and minerals, and they could have enough calories and everything.  They could be grown with more efficiency, and in less space than fruits/vegetables.  Obviously, having a dried algae bagel and water with every meal is extreme, but possibly mixing 'algae flakes' in with  say, mashed potatoes, would be very helpful to the mission.  With vitamin pills, this could provide for everyone's need.  Can we eat/drink algae at all?  Has this been tested?  What do you think?

about 350 km, stable for about 5 years, according to wikipedia

I can't believe this.  This is the ignorance and bigotry that starts wars.  People in those countries were conditioned from birth to do whatever anyone tells them to.  Of course they will.  they are not less human than you.  In fact, after your post, it seems as if it may be the other way around.  Once they are freed, i whichever manner they are freed, they will have unique views of the world.  Not bad ones either.  It is hardship that makes us human, and the west has entirely too little of that.  la dee da, stuck in our own worlds
(of course they have too much, and are confined to their own world)

Do you mean take, say, all of the mass in the asteroid belt, and lump it together?  I've had the idea.  All of the mass in the asteroid belt would be about 1/100th the mass of the earth.  You might get moon gravity, which isn't really enough.

maybe they decide to live on a piece of earth that was knocked off, maybe they build the hab on earth itself, as, even after being hit with a large asteroid, it would be the friendliest of all of the worlds.

Sounds like a great beginning.  What if they decide to go to your ceres, instead, or somewhere else?

It seems as if Lschl13 may be some sort of spammer.  They seem to need to propose ridiculous things, such as that you need an atmosphere to have gravity, and that mars can be terraformed in about 5 years, my extrapolation from what they said, with 250 kg of water and 50 kg of tree seeds.  Don't just delete their account, please, as they may just be mmisguided, but maybe try to get  them to see reason, or check their sources a little harder before posting with 'backup from nasa data'

do you mean its orbit?  The tilt is fine, I wouldn't mess with it.  If it was a large moon (earth to earth moon proportion,) then it eventually might start an aerodynamo.  But that wouldn't happen for a million years, if ever, and it would be quite a lot of money for very little profit. People would be more likely just to mine the asteroids of their metals and leave them in the asteroid belt.