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#1 Re: Human missions » entrepreneur - funding » 2004-11-19 01:44:38

...I do not want to be beholden to corporate fat cats, over whom we have zero say and who aren't accountable to us in the least

And also, I want to be ::a part:: of going to Mars;

wouldn't my sugestion meet these two conditions?

Bill:  Taxpayer funded? Never going to happen

True, Hence the need for something like what I am sugesting!

#2 Re: Human missions » entrepreneur - funding » 2004-11-18 10:06:24

You are raising a lot of red flags here. As soon as someone starts to talk about "an advanced training course or workshop" or "I do not need to work" it sounds like a scam. There are a lot of organizations selling "training" courses for "get rich quick" scams. The only people who get rich are those giving the courses. There are also people trying to get others to invest in their "get rich quick" scam; the organizer takes off with the money and leaves investors liable for debts.

I totally agree. I do beleive however there are some genuine educational resources available. Getting involved in get rich quick scams and training courses is not something I would want anyone to get into. Also most of the knowledge that can be obtained can be learnt without spending any money.

My great wonderful idea for houses is to build then with a tipple mode solar panel for the entire roof (heat air, heat water, and photovoltaic), geothermal heat pump with vertical ground loop, on-property well with an electric immersion pump, septic tank and advanced sewage processing system constructed as an attached greenhouse. Add large batteries for power storage, high efficiency DC appliances, and compact fluorescent light fixtures. Rural homes could add a windmill; it only provides 15% power of a photovoltaic array and has a 2.7 metre (8' 10.3") diameter rotor, but can provide auxiliary power when it's dark and windy. That means no electricity bill, no natural gas/heating oil, no water bill. During the summer (or winter for a southern state) you can sell power to the electric utility. The exterior can be constructed for zero maintenance simply by using all brick with anodized aluminum trim. That means no paint and no vinyl that could be subject to UV degradation.

My idea means building high quality houses for customers, and just selling them. It's simple and honest. I've built multiple garages with my father and brother, and finished a basement. My grandfather on my mother's side built houses for a living. I have experience with framing, sheathing, drywall, roofing, concrete (garage pad and sidewalk), installing electrical wiring, and even worked on heating ducts when we moved the furnace. I wouldn't want to do duct work myself again, I'ld hire a subcontractor. I'm not a certified electrician so I'ld have to hire another subcontractor, but I can oversee a subcontractor or install it myself and have an electrician inspect it. I know suppliers for all equipment and materials, a couple companies that use the sewage treatment system, and another company that consults and sells equipment for it. This means I am qualified and can do the work.

This idea has great potential. It's the kind of house I would want to own myself. Yes it seems like a great deal of work but has the potential to generate great profits. Once the business has taken root your personal role would change and your involvent will be mainly managment. Subcontractors would do the work while you could focus your energies on expanding the business. I beleive in honest hard work. However the difference between you and those workers you would employ is that you have a dream that exponentially benefits humanity and you could use your resourcefulness and brillient ideas to aid the funding of a manned mission to mars with the awareness of the great impact and future implications of such a great feat.

Notice the word "work". Running a business is work. If you're involved with the property management business, good for you. Don't ask others to invest in your business. Let's focus on space related business.

I do not own a business, I have no training programs or get rich quick schemes. What little knowledge I do have I wish to share freely. I wish to group together in our efforts to create not one not two but many simple and honest businesses that collectively will help fund a manned mars mission in or very close to 2015. I ask that those who are succesful share freely their knowledge, help and encourage one another to acheive the same goals for a common purpose. This thread is about funding a manned mars mission by teaming together to create honest proven businesses solely for generating funds. I am trying to do this but as an individual I will be limited in what I can do. Property investment is only one idea and is an honest business.

#3 Re: Human missions » entrepreneur - funding » 2004-11-18 04:18:30

Yes there is risk involved in the property market. However this risk can be greatly reduced when you have the methology of professionals. I do not recommend any of us enter into ventures without professional training first. What I am suggesting is that for the highly profitable property market (when done correctly) would become one of our income sources we collectively perfect then once perfected and perpetuated we move to the next project as individuals but collectively. For eample one of us would take an advanced training course or workshop. We would select the best person for the training and have them gleam everything they can from the training. This individual would then train the others in the group and share all the necissary skills and resources with the others to enable each of us to produce similar productive results. Failures and risks will be reduced firstly due to the professional well sourced training our member has recieved and secondly due to feedback from the others of the group.

Very often the ideas are sound but the people and their methology are the failures. The property market can be a good example because from all the risks you have mentioned there are proven methods of avoiding and greatly reducing these risks. There is little chance of avoiding all these potential pitfals without specialised knowledge.

For me that means "Independent living" to use a buzz word. That means no utility bills. But that requires a photovoltaic panel with a low cost per watt. I'm still looking for that.

I beleive that at least basic financial indipendance is neccissary. I am working towards purchasing a property. Currently I do not need to work as my income exceeds my outgoings. I am far from where I would like to be but at least it allows me much more free time. This is why I am now focusing my attention to the things that really motivate and excite me. In a way I have been ignoring my thirst for knowledge and focusing on taking care of the basics. I wasted lots of time as a teenager and only in the last year and a half have I knuckled down and become mission critical in my approach to indipendance. I am 24 and still feel I am way behind where I could be had I made more intelligent discissions, planned and prepared. I beleie we can all learn a great deal from one another and take the first steps to financial indipendance and collectively realising a dream.

The reason property is a good starting point to financial indipendance is because it is available to us all no matter of our current status (will explain if required). Owning and correctly letting property means continual income for very little work. It's also a process that can be repeated. The first aim of our group would be personal financial indipendance. Then develope greater very financially rewarding projects from there.

#4 Re: Human missions » entrepreneur - funding » 2004-11-17 14:44:21

Property is only one lucrative means. The public interest will come from the increased awareness that a group of entrepreneurs are accumulating substancial amounts of wealth for the sole purpose of contributing funding towards a manned space mission. Our financial growth and aims will be made public, the companies we create and sources of income do not have to be related to space at all, they are simply means to accumulate funds.

#5 Re: Human missions » entrepreneur - funding » 2004-11-17 14:02:27

What if we collectively buy and let multiple properties and contually increase our investment in the property market until the annual income from those properties say in 5 years times totals an anual revenue of $1m. Instead of investing this anual $1 into projects we save it and reinvest it continually until it has become such a large amount that in say 10 years time we can fund a large portion of a maned mission to mars. The more money we harvest the more public interest we would generate. Training others our tried and proven methods and providing them with the starting capital we can multiply our efforts.

What roughly would the cost be for a manned mission to mars in 2015 using the cheapest method currently known possible?

#6 Re: Human missions » entrepreneur - funding » 2004-11-17 12:44:43

I can spend my time learning, studying and discussing but it will do little in advancing us closer to our dreams. Funding is a major limiting factor. The way in which I beleive I really could contribute is by creating wealth through business ideas and investment. Not as an individual effort but as a collective effort with other dedicated enthusiasts. I desire to create wealth to invest in a worthy future. I am willing to spend my time and energies creating wealth and learning and sharing the techniques of wealth creation with others who have a common vision. Collectively with the right methology as a group we could create our own funding and really put extra financial fuel behind space programs and research.

I propose the formation of a entrepreneur group fund of those truely dedicated. To share knowledge, to take on wealth creation projects, to lead, support and guide one another. I beleive over a period of 2 years a small group of intelligent dedicated individuals could raise in excess of $1m.

#7 Re: Human missions » Space Dev http://www.spacedev.com » 2004-11-17 11:25:43

Oh yes definately. But I was unaware until only very recently. In fact I think it was while searching SpaceShipOne related searches on google that I came across spacedev. Guess I have lot's of catching up to do wink

#8 Re: Human missions » Space Dev http://www.spacedev.com » 2004-11-17 10:46:43

I take it everyone already knows about spacedev then!

Sorry I was in a hurry. I beleive this company will become to space exploration what microsoft is to computing. I was very exited to discover spacedev and strongly beleive that commercial space programs are the way forward.

#9 Re: Human missions » Space Dev http://www.spacedev.com » 2004-11-17 08:32:21

SpaceDev (OTCBB: SPDV) creates and sells affordable and innovative space products and solutions to government and commercial enterprises. SpaceDev products and solutions include the design, manufacture, marketing and operation of sophisticated micro and nano satellites, hybrid rocket-based orbital Maneuvering and orbital Transfer Vehicles (MoTVs) as well as safe sub-orbital and orbital hybrid rocket-based propulsion systems. SpaceDev has been awarded contracts from NASA, National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO), Boeing, Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), California Space Authority (CSA) Air Force Research Lab (AFRL) and several commercial customers. SpaceDev is also developing commercial hybrid rocket motors and small high performance space vehicles and subsystems.

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#10 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Roswell Really Happened? » 2004-11-17 04:49:51

I beleive the UFO and weather balloon were cover stories in the interst of national security. New craft were being tested all through this era and many were top secret. Maybe pilots also died in test flights (purely speculative).

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