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Hej djelison
Can you post one link where we can see what are true colors of Martian sky.
How corresponding esa finding of frosen sea with Nasa map of distribution H on mars?
A huge, frozen sea lies just below the surface of Mars, a team of European scientists has announced.
see more http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natu … 285119.stm
I wrote this here because :If this is true then this is big succes for Mars express and so far Mrs express wasn't succes. And this tread name is Mars express succes.
Opportunity travel map
http://mer.rlproject.com/index.php?act= … ...id=5284
After more of one year flying around planet Mars taking low res. pictures, lunching one unsuccessful probe and undiployed radar :down:
seems they found sommething se her http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc20 … f/1741.pdf :up:
Hyg probe landed in a mud according to ESA. Yes it’s true just look at crystal clear high resolutions images send by probe and see all that mud.
One positive thing about images:
When Mars rovers landed on Mars Nasa was flooded with people seeing worms, mushrooms, plants, numbers etc. Esa don’t have that problem. Esa images from Titan are so bad that people can’t se anything (although some can see lakes, big waves). Because of that all ESA staff can now concentrate on making even better camera.
Journalist:
I ask how can journalist applaud at panorama image when they can’t se anything on that image.
Remember great fairy tale The emperor has no clothes.
I just can’t do the same.
Achievement:
I wrote here that images are bullshit but soma answers titan is faraway, difficult to land low light , great achievement be satisfied with images etc. After Nasa landing on Mars and moon and Russian on Venus WE can’t be satisfied just with landing. Nice they landed but we want some results. For Russians was also difficult to land and they send also pictures from Venus in same low tech style as ESa. But Viking images from mars are far better then this crap from titan.
Sound:
For many millions we get 10Mb data from Titan so much science we get. To travel millions of km and get 10 Mb of data is crazy and 3Mb of this 10Mb are fogged out of focus images. They recorded also sound. As they proudly sad listen to this noise that you could hear if you was sitting on probe while descending trough titan atmosphere.
I think sound recording is of “great” scientific value so in future they should only record sound and drop images and others mesaurments. I hope this sound didn’t take much of remaining 7MB data.
My earlier post
Ha ha!
1.Image quality
I watch ESA press conference yesterday but nothing new. Only two new fogged images in samme low tech style. And they did worked all night but still don't know if it is something liquid on surface. I have big trouble to download on my 2Mbit DSL connections those big high resolutions images (50kb) from ESA. They are just perfect as wallpapers. What to say 3$ billion spend and get 50kb high resolutions photo. If ESA continue like this they will bit image quality from Viking mission very soon. There is no excuse to produce Viking-era images in a probe that was produced in 1997. Go a billion miles + and get 3MB in imaging upload? You gotta be kidding! Shame on you, ESA. Your imaging staff deserves to be on the unemployment line! fly across the solar system and throw back a miserable handful of pixels is INEXCUSABLE.
2. Scientific value
Now either this is just not a great scientific achievement but a great scientific gaffe by the pompous ESA on display in that televised PR traincrash last night OR we're looking at landscapes that exist only in Bryce and bad ones at that!
It's really difficult for people such as the pompous ESA who have dedicated their life to science to admit that they MESSED UP! I have yet to see the "quality" of the data they will be able to obtain from the probe, but if the miserable excuse for images they have produced is any indication, then the $3 billion would have been much better spent housing people who had their homes washed away by the Indian Ocean.
I assure you that it will be years from now and we will still be arguing whether the dark areas are liquid or floodplain.
3. What I expected
Better image quality
Probe will be alive for minimum one week and transmit data
Probe will take pictures in different direction when landed
Probe will examine ground
Probe will be so “advanced” that we can immediately say here are oceans or not.
4.Comedy
Yesterday ESA release one blurred unfocused panorama image and all journalist oohed and aahed and applauded at the panorama ESA put together. Only one thing was strange nobody couldnot se anything on that image.
The emperor has no clothes.
Let me get this straight... $3 billion and we get 3 MB of jpgs out of it? This is it. There are no hires. Just this motley collection of fogged out and blacked out shots interspersed with 1960s vintage digital photography.
I am quit sure that most people are dissapointed with this pictures. My girlfriend said just thumbnails when will better images arrive? I sad to her you just looking at high resolutions images.
4.Comedy
Yesterday ESA release one blurred unfocused panorama image and all journalist oohed and aahed and applauded at the panorama ESA put together. Only one thing was strange nobody couldnot se anything on that image.
The emperor has no clothes.
Let me get this straight... $3 billion and we get 3 MB of jpgs out of it? This is it. There are no hires. Just this motley collection of fogged out and blacked out shots interspersed with 1960s vintage digital photography
Ha ha!
1.Image quality
I watch ESA press conference yesterday but nothing new. Only two new fogged images in samme low tech style. And they did worked all night but still don't know if it is something liquid on surface. I have big trouble to download on my 2Mbit DSL connections those big high resolutions images (50kb) from ESA. They are just perfect as wallpapers. What to say 3$ billion spend and get 50kb high resolutions photo. If ESA continue like this they will bit image quality from Viking mission very soon. There is no excuse to produce Viking-era images in a probe that was produced in 1997. Go a billion miles + and get 3MB in imaging upload? You gotta be kidding! Shame on you, ESA. Your imaging staff deserves to be on the unemployment line! fly across the solar system and throw back a miserable handful of pixels is INEXCUSABLE.
2. Scientific value
Now either this is just not a great scientific achievement but a great scientific gaffe by the pompous ESA on display in that televised PR traincrash last night OR we're looking at landscapes that exist only in Bryce and bad ones at that!
It's really difficult for people such as the pompous ESA who have dedicated their life to science to admit that they MESSED UP! I have yet to see the "quality" of the data they will be able to obtain from the probe, but if the miserable excuse for images they have produced is any indication, then the $3 billion would have been much better spent housing people who had their homes washed away by the Indian Ocean.
I assure you that it will be years from now and we will still be arguing whether the dark areas are liquid or floodplain.
3. What I expected
Better image quality
Probe will be alive for minimum one week and transmit data
Probe will take pictures in different direction when landed
Probe will examine ground
Probe will be so “advanced” that we can immediately say here are oceans or not.
4.Comedy
Yesterday ESA release one blurred unfocused panorama image and all journalist oohed and aahed and applauded at the panorama ESA put together. Only one thing was strange nobody couldnot se anything on that image.
The emperor has no clothes.
Let me get this straight... $3 billion and we get 3 MB of jpgs out of it? This is it. There are no hires. Just this motley collection of fogged out and blacked out shots interspersed with 1960s vintage digital photography.
Again we se pictures of one dry planet, with some cracks on surface. No lakes no oceans. Pictures quality remind mi about Viking missions, I think my phone camera would do much better. Despite that many peoples talking about unreal images, I say look at Viking mission from 1974 and you will se also stones but better image quality. What is unreal if we can se stones and rocks on planet with solid surface. ESA again hiding pictures from public, can’t really understand why.
:band:
http://mainlymartian.blogs.com/semijournal/]Article about methane on Mars
Boynton tends to think that the hydrogen they’re seeing in those low-latitude regions is more likely to take the form of hydrated minerals than ice. One piece of evidence for this view is that the same regions have high chlorine levels, suggesting the rocks there have been weathered, which would be a way of getting hydrated minerals to form.
I can't se any rivers but I can se craters on this black area.
Titans]http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1268&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0]Titan's Big Surprise
Is there a bigger chance that life once evolve on Mars if body of water at opportunity landing place was big as the Baltic sea or Atlantic ocean?
Take a lookhttp://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/casJPGFullS02/N00006574.jpg]Strange ring
Interesting eroded stones on columbia hills http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … JPG]Eroded stone
And then driving back maybe some problems or only testing
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 1.HTML]Out again
Spirit is getting closer to columbia hills. There is clear visible horisontal outcrop on lower right side.http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/128/2P137742360EFF4900P2429L7M1.JPG]Columbia hills
As I understand until now there is no evidence of past lake in gusev crater. There is couple scientific paper about gusev lake and inflow channels and some people get theirs degree writing those papers. I hope that hills will give answers on this.
NASA don´t hide anything. NASA offer both raw and colored images. Pics looks better with solid colored sky and focus is on Martian surface. These pics are for broad publikum (kids, grandparents for everybody. In research they use raw pics and for more or less entusiastic amateurs NASA realese raw images.
I think you right cassioli. To prevent forum of dying you need to post minimum 10 animations and 25 pics of blue mars per day. :band:
I think that is normal that people after 3-4 months of intenisive debate take a rest.
See today so many post from cassioli. If you look at last actions almost all are from cassioli. I think 95% post last 2 weeks are from cassioli mostly pics of blue Mars and animations. He needs attention like a child. See this look that.
He floods this forum with his "discoveries" and I hope that he will reduce little bit his activity.
I think cassioli post too many animations on this forum. I understand to post 1-2 per week but this is too much. He discuss with him self on this forum. Are you cassioli boring at home or what?
Yes and what?
Shame on you NASA because you deceive real Martian scientist.
Martian skys are deep blue, craters are blue everything is blue this Martian blue idyll is only disturbed by green Marsman.
Bluberries are blue, strawberries are red. :band:
![http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … JPG]Eroded](http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/158/2P140388351ESF6800P2594R6M1.JPG]Eroded){kind=link}