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#1 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Advanced Photonic Laser Thruster Claimed to be Developed » 2007-09-15 17:17:46

Tim

Color me doubtful, the only news about this I've seen is a reference to this company's press release. I'm interested if anyone else as heard anything about this?

http://www.photonics.com/content/news/2 … 88894.aspx

Thruster May Shorten Mars Trip

TUSTIN, Calif., Sept. 7, 2007 -- An amplified photon thruster that could potentially shorten the trip to Mars from six months to a week has reportedly attracted the attention of aerospace agencies and contractors.

Young Bae, founder of the Bae Institute in Tustin, Calif., first demonstrated his photonic laser thruster (PLT), which he built with off-the-shelf components, in December.

The demonstration produced a photon thrust of 35 µN and is scalable to achieve much greater thrust for future space missions, the institute said. Applications include highly precise satellite formation flying configurations for building large synthetic apertures in space for earth or space observation, precision contaminant-free spacecraft docking operations, and propelling spacecraft to unprecedented speeds -- faster than 100 km/sec.

“This is the tip of the iceberg," Bae said in a statement from the institute. "PLT has immense potential for the aerospace industry. For example, PLT-powered spacecraft could transit the 100 million km to Mars in less than a week.”

Bae founded the institute to develop space technologies and has pursued concepts such as photon, antimatter and fusion propulsion for more than 20 years at SRI International, Brookhaven National Lab and the Air Force Research Lab. He has a PhD in atomic and nuclear physics from UC Berkeley.

Several aerospace organizations have expressed interest in collaborating with the institute to further develop and integrate PLT into civilian, military and commercial space systems, Bae said, and he has recently been invited to present his work by NASA, JPL, DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL).

Franklin Mead, a senior aerospace engineer at AFRL, said in a Bae Institute statement that the PLT demonstration and measurement of photon thrust is "pretty incredible. I don’t think anyone has done this before. It has generated a lot of interest."

The institute said Bae’s paper, “Photonic Laser Propulsion: Proof-of-Concept Demonstration,” was recently accepted for publication this year in the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics' Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets. It documents how he overcame the inherent inefficiencies of traditional photon thrusters in generating thrust by amplification with the use of an innovative optical cavity concept.

"For decades, rocket scientists have tried to overcome the inefficiency of photon thrusters by amplification based on optical cavities separated from laser sources, but failed," the institute said. "In contrast, Bae’s PLT (patent pending) places the laser medium within a resonant optical cavity between two platforms to produce a very stable and reliable thrust that is unaffected by mirror movement and vibration -- ideal for spacecraft control or propulsion."

Bae will present at the AIAA SPACE 2007 Conference & Exposition, to be held Sept. 18-19 in Long Beach, at four sessions: Space Transportation Systems, Promising Space Concepts from the NASA Institute of Advanced Concepts (NIAC), Space Systems for the Next 50 Years, and Advanced Vehicle Systems.

The PLT research was partially funded by NIAC (NASA Institute of Advanced Concepts) as part of a spacecraft formation flight concept grant.

For more information, visit: www.baeinstitute.com

#2 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Warp Drive » 2006-01-06 14:50:15

Tim

It'd be nice if that worked out but I won't hold my breath! big_smile

Here are a couple of other articles on it I found.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/articl … space.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/hyperdrive/

#3 Re: Human missions » ISRU Fiberglass? » 2005-10-19 10:51:28

Tim

They should use transparent aluminum, just like Scotty would want them to.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131

Air Force testing new transparent armor

by Laura Lundin
Air Force Research Laboratory Public Affairs

10/17/2005 - WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFPN) -- Engineers here are testing a new kind of transparent armor -- stronger and lighter than traditional materials -- that could stop armor-piercing weapons from penetrating vehicle windows.

The Air Force Research Laboratory's materials and manufacturing directorate is testing aluminum oxynitride -- ALONtm -- as a replacement for the traditional multi-layered glass transparencies now used in existing ground and air armored vehicles.

The test is being done in conjunction with the Army Research Laboratory at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Md., and University of Dayton Research Institute, Ohio.

ALONtm is a ceramic compound with a high compressive strength and durability. When polished, it is the premier transparent armor for use in armored vehicles, said. 1st Lt. Joseph La Monica, transparent armor sub-direction lead

"The substance itself is light years ahead of glass," he said, adding that it offers "higher performance and lighter weight."

Traditional transparent armor is thick layers of bonded glass. The new armor combines the transparent ALONtm piece as a strike plate, a middle section of glass and a polymer backing. Each layer is visibly thinner than the traditional layers.

ALONtm is virtually scratch resistant, offers substantial impact resistance, and provides better durability and protection against armor piercing threats, at roughly half the weight and half the thickness of traditional glass transparent armor, said the lieutenant.

In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both a .30 caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning Sniper Rifle with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced the glass samples, the armor withstood the impact with no penetration.

In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple hits of .30 caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire, Lieutenant La Monica said. Tests focusing on multiple hits from .50 caliber rounds and improvised explosive devices are in the works.

The lieutenant is optimistic about the results because the physical properties and design of the material are intended to stop higher level threats.

"The higher the threat, the more savings you're going to get," he said. "With glass, to get the protection against higher threats, you have to keep building layers upon layers. But with ALONtm, the material only needs to be increased a few millimeters."

This ability to add the needed protection with only a small amount of material is very advantageous, said Ron Hoffman, an investigator at University of Dayton Research Institute.

"When looking at higher level threats, you want the protection, not the weight," Mr. Hoffman said. "Achieving protection at lighter weights will allow the armor to be more easily integrated into vehicles."

Mr. Hoffman also pointed out the benefit of durability with ALONtm.

"Eventually, with a conventional glass surface, degradation takes place and results in a loss of transparency," Mr. Hoffman said. "Things such as sand have little or no impact on ALONtm, and it probably has a life expectancy many times that of glass."

The scratch-resistant quality will greatly increase the transparency of the armor, giving military members more visual awareness on the battlefield.

"It all comes down to survivability and being able to see what's out there and to make decisions while having the added protection," Mr. Hoffman said.

The Army is looking to use the new armor as windows in ground vehicles, like the Humvee, Lieutenant La Monica said. The Air Force is exploring its use for "in-flight protective transparencies for low, slow-flying aircraft. These include the C-130 Hercules, C-17 Globemaster III, A-10 Thunderbolt II and helicopters.

While some see the possibilities of this material as limitless, manufacturability, size and cost are issues the lab is dealing with before the armor can transition to the field, the lieutenant said.

"Traditional transparent armor costs a little over $3 per square inch. The ALONtm Transparent Armor cost is $10 to $15 per square inch," Lieutenant La Monica said. "The difficulties arise with heating and polishing processes, which lead to higher costs. But we are looking at more cost effective alternatives."

Lieutenant La Monica said experimenting with the polishing process has proven beneficial.

"We found that by polishing it a certain way, we increased the strength of the material by two-fold," he said.

Currently, size is also limited because equipment needed to heat larger pieces is expensive. To help lower costs, the lieutenant said researchers are looking at design variations that use smaller pieces of the armor tiled together to form larger windows.

Lowering cost by using a commercial grade material is also an option, and the results have been promising.

"So far, the difference between the lower-grade material and higher purity in ballistic tests is minimal," he said.

Lieutenant La Monica said once the material can be manufactured in large quantities to meet the military's needs, and the cost brought down, the durability and strength of ALONtm will prove beneficial to the warfighter.

"It might cost more in the beginning, but it is going to cost less in the long run because you are going to have to replace it less," he said.

(Courtesy of Air Force Materiel Command News Service)

#4 Re: Human missions » RAS says UK should reverse astronaut ban » 2005-10-19 10:48:22

Tim

About time, lets hope the government listens to them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4351688.stm

UK should 'reverse astronaut ban' 


The UK should rethink its policy ban on astronauts, a report written for the Royal Astronomical Society (RAS) says.
The report warns Britain risks being isolated on the international stage if it continues its longstanding refusal to fund the human exploration of space.

The RAS expert panel says the cost of joining other nations with astronaut programmes could be some £150m a year.

But the scientific, educational and economic benefits would be worth it, it argues.


"Recent developments across the world strongly suggest that, after a 30-year lull, space-faring nations are gearing up for a return to the Moon and then to Mars," said panel member, Professor Ken Pounds, of the University of Leicester.

"It is hard to imagine that the UK, one of the world's leading economies, would not be fully involved in a global scientific and technology endeavour with such strong potential to inspire.

"We therefore recommend that the government re-evaluates its longstanding opposition to British involvement in human space exploration."

Scientific merits

Current policy only allows for tax payers' money to be spent on robotic missions, which means the UK, although a member state of the European Space Agency (Esa), gives no funds to Esa's astronaut corps.

Those UK-born individuals who have made it into orbit recently, such as Michael Foale and Piers Sellers, have done so by taking out US citizenship and joining the American space agency (Nasa).

As well as space physicist Professor Pounds, the panel includes Dr John Dudeney, deputy director of the British Antarctic Survey; and Frank Close, a physics professor at Oxford University, who acts chairman.

Their nine-month investigation into the scientific merits of having British astronauts finds "compelling" reasons to change present policy.

The men say robotic missions to the Moon and Mars can answer many of the questions we want to ask about the origin of the Solar System and the evolution of life within it - but machines do not yet have the ingenuity and flexibility of people.

"Humans are good at making decisions that are impossible to predict ahead of time," said Dr Dudeney.

"They can deviate from assigned tasks and kick over a rock just because it's a different colour and looks interesting. But there is a symbiosis between machines and man; it's not one versus the other, it's about what they can do together."

Industrial rewards

The panel believes the industrial and educational rewards from joining other nations on manned missions beyond low-Earth orbit in the coming decades could be huge.

Dr Dudeney explained: "The UK is the fourth largest economy in the world. We have an amazingly rich and diverse capability in engineering and science; we have an enormously powerful capability and it could be used in this context to great effect."

Professor Close said his interest in science as child was inspired by the Sputnik satellite and the children of today could be similarly enthused by human spaceflight.

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The current Esa vision sees astronauts on Mars in the decades ahead
"If space science fiction is ever going to become science fact, now is the time," he said.

"And there's a natural challenge: the Moon is there, Mars is there. They can be reached by spacecraft, so let's explore them."

The panel members say they commenced their study with an element of scepticism on the scientific value of human involvement in space, but as they took more evidence and looked deeper into the issues they were persuaded the UK could play a role.

"We're talking about human spaceflight that is science driven, but which would have these other, wider and impressive benefits," said Professor Pounds.

"If it has an inspirational effect on education by getting more kids going into science, if it gives interesting challenges to industry so that it draws the brightest graduates, that has to be good for the UK and science in the UK."

As part of its fact-finding exercise, the RAS panel tested public opinion through the BBC News website.

An analysis of responses to a Have Your Say debate found 61% were in favour of the UK having its own astronauts, 26% were against and 13% were undecided.

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#5 Re: Human missions » Japan Eyes Future Manned Moon Base, Space Shuttle » 2005-04-07 19:32:03

Tim

Another update on the Japanese plan by space.com. They seem really confident that they can get a lot more for their yen then NASA gets for their buck. Manned flights, moon bases, robots, nanotechnologym, and supersonic airliners for $2.6 billion a year? Doesn't seem possible.
http://space.com/missionlaunches/ap_050 … _moon.html

Japan Announces Manned Moon Flight by 2025
By Kenji Hall
Associated Press
posted: 06 April 2005
12:20 pm ET


TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's space agency mapped out a new, ambitious plan Wednesday for manned flights to the moon by 2025 as a first step to explore the solar system's farflung planets, but said decisions about whether Japan will go it alone or collaborate with other nations won't be made for another decade.

The proposal unveiled by Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, or JAXA, marks the agency's first attempt in years to rethink its missions and rejuvenate a space program that has been hobbled by recent launchpad and space probe failures.

JAXA sent the plan to a government space panel for review, asking for a budget increase to roughly US$2.6 billion (euro2.03 billion) a year, from US$2 billion (euro1.56 billion). By comparison, NASA's annual budget is US$16.2 billion (euro12.6 billion).

"Until now, the question has been, 'Can Japan develop its own manned spaceship?' We will know the answer in another 10 years'' when the agency will review its options, JAXA Chairman Keiji Tachikawa said.

"It won't require a big budget rise,'' he said, adding that it's "too soon to know how much it will cost because things might change in coming years.''

Japan's long-term vision resembles those of U.S. President George W. Bush and European space officials, who hope to land astronauts and robots on the moon as a first step to sending space shuttle missions to Mars.

Over the next decade, JAXA's plan calls for scientists to develop robots and nanotechnology for surveys of the moon, and design a rocket and space vessel capable of carrying cargo and passengers.

By 2015, JAXA will review whether it's ready to pour resources into manned space travel and possibly building a base on the moon. A decision to possibly to try for Mars and other planets would be made after 2025.

The plan emerges two months after JAXA sent a communications satellite into space aboard the country's workhorse H-2A rocket -- its first successful launch since November 2003, when a rocket carrying two spy satellites malfunctioned after liftoff and was destroyed in mid-flight. That accident forced officials to put the entire space program temporarily on hold.

It also marks a major policy shift that was set in motion last year when a Japanese government panel recommended that the agency focus on manned space flight instead of unmanned scientific probes.

Despite being Asia's most advanced space-exploring nation, Japan has been playing catch-up to Europe in commercial satellite launches. Tokyo also has struggled to outdo China, which put its first astronaut into orbit in October 2003 and later announced plans for a trip to the moon.

Tachikawa said JAXA's plan wasn't a reaction to the recent string of failures that led to a 15-month grounding of the domestically made H-2A rocket.

JAXA will scrap several planned missions but hasn't publicly said which ones, the agency's executive director, Kiyoshi Higuchi, said. Missions will be reorganized so they aren't so cut off from other projects, as they have been until now, he added.

JAXA already has a moon survey mission planned. Its SELENE probe -- originally scheduled for launch in 2005 but since delayed -- is designed to orbit the moon, releasing two small satellites that will measure the moon's magnetic and gravitational field and conduct other tests for clues about the moon's origin.

JAXA officials said their hope is establish a base on the moon that could mine resources found on and under the lunar surface. An illustrated handout showed an astronaut directing an array of robots constructing the base, which would draw solar power from photovoltaic panels and explore the moon's poles for traces of water to convert to hydrogen fuel.

Eventually, JAXA hopes to expand missions to search for evidence about the origins of the universe and life beyond our planet, JAXA officials said.

Other aerospace projects include a passenger airliner that will travel at Mach 2 -- or twice the speed of sound -- for five-hour Tokyo-Los Angeles flights and an unmanned, hydrogen-fueled plane that can travel at Mach 5.

#6 Re: Human missions » Japan Eyes Future Manned Moon Base, Space Shuttle » 2005-03-24 12:25:35

Tim

Here's some new info. It gives what looks like an accurate account of the budget, but it doesn't exactly sound peaceful, more like they're looking forward to forming the Greater Lunar Co-Prosperity Sphere™.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20050317 … 17wo71.htm

JAXA seeks to bodily go, and to go it alone

The Yomiuri Shimbun

The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency has decided in its long-term plan to 2025 to work toward manned space activities on its own and develop a hypersonic liquid hydrogen-fueled transport capable of crossing the Pacific Ocean in two hours at Mach 5.

The plan was approved by a panel of external advisers Wednesday and will be officially approved later this month.

Under the plan, JAXA will convert its H-II Transfer Vehicle into a spacecraft capable of manned flight, with a test flight scheduled for 2008. The HTV is an unmanned vehicle used to deliver supplies and other logistic support to the International Space Station (ISS).

By 2015, JAXA intends to improve the reliability of its H-2A rocket to the extent it can be be used to launch an HTV. JAXA also will look to improve its technology for recovering capsules returning to Earth from a HTV. The agency will experiment with adding wings to an HTV, enabling it to be reused like the U.S. space shuttle. But first, the agency wants to build a single-use manned spacecraft that is similar to the Russian Soyuz.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>In anticipation of a manned international station being completed on the moon by 2025, JAXA is seeking to secure superiority in the use of the moon's resources.</span> This will be achieved through data collected by a satellite inserted into a lunar orbit in fiscal 2006 and JAXA's development of its own technology to achieve manned space flight, utilizing experience gained through ISS programs.

In September, the Cabinet Office's Council for Science and Technology Policy said it would discuss the possibility of embarking on independent manned space exploration in 20 to 30 years. The long-term plan gave concrete form to the council's policy. JAXA will make a final decision on whether it will implement the plan in full after evaluating the progress achieved by 2015.

The agency has set a goal of acquiring high-value-added technology to increase the nation's competitiveness in the aviation industry, such as by the development of a hypersonic transport that would cut the flight time from Tokyo to Los Angeles from 10 hours to two hours.

JAXA intends to demonstrate the technology of unmanned hypersonic transport by 2025 and commercialize the service some time after 2030.

JAXA estimates the cost for the long-term plan during the first 10 years at 250 billion yen to 280 billion yen a year. JAXA's current yearly budget is about 180 billion yen.

#7 Re: Human missions » Japan Eyes Future Manned Moon Base, Space Shuttle » 2005-03-02 13:09:24

Tim

I think this is great, but they can't possibly be serious about a 57 billion dollar budget can they? ???

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/ja … 50228.html

Japan Eyes Future Manned Moon Base, Space Shuttle
By Associated Press

TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's plans to start building a manned base on the moon and a manned space shuttle within the next 20 years, a newspaper report said Monday.

Japan's space agency, JAXA, is drawing up plans to develop a robot to conduct probes on the moon by 2015, then begin constructing a solar-powered manned research base on the planet and design a reusable manned space vessel like the U.S. space shuttle by 2025, the Mainichi Shimbun said.

The space agency's budget could be boosted six-fold to $57 billion to assist those plans, the Mainichi said.

The plans also include using satellites to send information on evacuation routes, locators on people's whereabouts and alerts to cell phones in the event of major emergencies like a tsunami, the daily said.

JAXA officials were unavailable for immediate comment late Monday.

Japan has long focused on unmanned scientific probes. In a major policy switch last year, however, a government panel recommended that the country consider its own manned space program.

Long Asia's leading spacefaring nation, Japan has been struggling to get out from under the shadow of China, which put its first astronaut into orbit in October 2003. Beijing has since announced it is aiming for the moon.

One month after China's breakthrough, a Japanese H-2A rocket carrying two spy satellites malfunctioned after liftoff, forcing controllers to end its mission in a spectacular fireball.

Further launches were put on hold for 15 months, but on Saturday Japan took a big step to re-establish the credibility of its space program with the successful launch of a domestically designed H-2A rocket that placed a communications satellite into orbit

#8 Re: Human missions » ESA - Aurora Program » 2004-12-30 19:37:19

Tim

I'm not particularly worried about the "big crunch". With a 10% base unemployment rate widely regarded as "normal", today's advanced industrial economies appear to be suffering from an endemic labour surplus rather than the other way around. Given ever increased mechanization and rising productivity, I see no reason for this gap not to widen either, especially without a corresponding increase in demand.

10% normal? Unemployment hasn't been that high in the US since June of 1983, hasn't even hit 7% since June of '93. 
http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.e … /feddal/ru

#9 Re: Human missions » New Bush Plan Set To Coincide With June Speech - Link included....talk amongst yourselves » 2004-05-13 10:22:40

Tim

A) PlanBush Jr= PlanBush Sr revisited.

B)This administration is also deeply committed to running up the largest budget deficits in history, which should be a larger issue in the election than space.

I would have to look up the numbers, but I'm positive that as a percentage of GNP that Reagan's deficits were larger, and they caused no lasting damage that I can see.

#10 Re: Unmanned probes » Huygens Probe to Titan » 2004-02-28 09:55:49

Tim

NASA's released a new picture  :up:
saturn-022704-540-300.jpg

The narrow angle camera onboard the Cassini spacecraft took a series of exposures of Saturn and its rings and moons on February 9, 2004, which were composited to create this stunning, color image. At the time, Cassini was 69.4 million kilometers (43.1 million miles) from Saturn, less than half the distance from Earth to the Sun. The image contrast and colors have been slightly enhanced to aid visibility. The smallest features visible in this image are approximately 540 kilometers across (336 miles).

Fine details in the rings and atmosphere are beginning to emerge, and will grow in sharpness and clarity over the coming months. The optical thickness of Saturn's B (middle) ring and the comparative translucence of the A (outer) ring, when seen against the planet, are now apparent. Subtle color differences in the finely banded Saturnian atmosphere, as well as structure within the diaphanous, inner C ring can be easily seen. Noticeably absent are the ghostly spoke-like dark markings in Saturn's B ring, first discovered by NASA's Voyager spacecraft on approach to the planet 23 years ago.

The icy moon Enceladus (520 kilometers or 323 miles across) is faintly visible on the left in the image. Its brightness has been increased seven times relative to the planet. Cassini will make several very close approaches to Enceladus, returning images in which features as small as 50 meters (165 feet) or less will be detectable.

The composite image signals the start of Cassini's final approach

#11 Re: Unmanned probes » Interstellar Probe » 2004-02-19 18:19:36

Tim

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/deepspace/ … probe.html

I saw this last week and was pretty suprised, I hadn't realized that NASA had done enough R&D on solar sails to make this a possibility any time soon. Since they seem to making good progress with nuclear electric propulsion you would think that they would just stick with that.

55603main_interstellarprobe2a.jpg

An artist's depiction of a spacecraft under the power of solar sail. NASA is exploring the use of such alternatives to traditional rocket propulsion for cleaner, more efficient methods of reaching deep space.

#12 Re: Human missions » Is Prometheus a Nuclear Ramjet? - A nuclear launch vehicle. Impossible? » 2004-02-19 18:07:48

Tim

[http://www.space.com/businesstechnology … 40219.html]Navy may help NASA build nuclear reactor for Jupiter mission

*Since this article specifically mentions Project Prometheus, I thought I'd post here. 

In addition to the extensive info in the article, there's this tantalizing tidbit:

JIMO (Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter) is also mentioned...including NASA and the sci-community considering adding a Europa lander!!  smile 

A portion of the article discusses the Europa plan in some detail, including necessary (I'd say!) precautions.  smile

--Cindy

::EDIT::  I have to admit the Europa situation does make me a bit hesitant.  If there is life there, and considering the nature of the lander...they've got to ensure those precautions.  Europa's integrity (especially as regards the life and ocean questions) must take precedent, IMO.

Looks good, especially the NASA Prometheus Animation that's located on the right side about half way down. Lets hope that if just one Bush space initiative survives to fruition, that it's Project Prometheus. Nuclear propulsion will be the backbone of our efforts to explore the Solar System in the years to come.

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