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#1 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Io - usually ignored moon » 2015-08-21 01:04:23

Putting an atmosphere on a planet or moon is one thing, it's hard, I can't ignore that.

However, the math is in people and it shows an atmosphere would be stable around Mars and Pluto and Luna for Billions of years.

Why does it have to be a 'forever' atmosphere when millions or billions of years will do it?

I'm sick of the parroting on this subject really "it will loose its atmosphere"

Yes but in billions of years so it doesn't matter!

#2 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Io - usually ignored moon » 2015-08-15 17:40:23

I know Io is cold 180 minus C, but if we put an atmosphere around Io with an ocean would that be able to block the radiation? Would the volcanism provide enough heat to get the temperature at the surface above 0 C?

#3 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Mercury » 2015-06-03 07:00:52

If we could slow the rotation of Mercury so that its tidally locked to The Sun we could create an atmosphere which would leave a nice large terminator/habitable zone between the night and day side.

A place where the sun is either always rising or always setting, a permanent summer.

Either side of this zone would be a thin extreme zone. One side 50 degrees desert the sun boiling large in the sky, the other Antarctic conditions forever in darkness.

Humans being as we are would live in these extremes, push it, as we do on Earth.

Then you'd have a huge sun facing side of the planet that you really don't want to go near!

The other side frozen, but I do wonder what the hot air currents would do and whether a dark side polar cap would form due to recent predictions about hot air dropping at that point and cold air rising. Might get a lake or melted part at that point?

#4 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » The 10th or is it the 9th Planet, is there a Super-Earth in our Solar? » 2014-12-29 04:07:11

It's amazing to think this might be possibly and that humans could one day colonize a planet to very far removed from Earth but still orbiting the sun.

It would be like living on a rogue planet with no sun in the sky, just stars.

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#5 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming the Jovian moons... » 2014-10-10 05:56:45

Wow Thanks for the response I just read about the weather machine here http://www.nanotech-now.com/columns/?article=486 and it's indeed very interesting and plausible.

It sounds like with enough nano engineering in the future you can have radiation protection and 1 bar breathable atmosphere in normal temp ranges. I.e. Human 1.0 could step on the planet and live life just fine.

Other than the gravity problem that is.

Couldn't they use a nano blanket for the surface of a planet which takes on extra mass in some way? Therefore creating heavier surface gravity?

Off to look up G Nordley now.

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#6 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming the Jovian moons... » 2014-10-06 19:48:33

Excuse my ignorance but this thread has blown my mind a bit.

Are you guys seriously suggesting a body as far out as Jupiter could have liveable conditions on the surface if terraformed?

It never occurred to me a body that far away from the sun could have warm temperatures to walk around in? Maybe I'm misunderstanding but that is the suggestion? How warm could you get it in surface Celcius at the equator? 20 c maybe?

If that warm how about bodies further out? Where does it stop? Is Jupiter the outer limit for this sort of thing?

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#7 Re: Terraformation » Move Mars To L4 / L5 » 2014-09-29 10:30:46

That's an interesting concept I wonder how stable that would be for the planets I'd be paranoid living in a system like that!

Anyone able to answer my question?

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#8 Re: Terraformation » Move Mars To L4 / L5 » 2014-09-23 11:21:19

We're going to assume the planet can be moved in some distant future for the purpose of this hyperthetical situation.

I'm more concerned as to whether Mars or Venus would be stable in the sun-earth L4/L5 range.

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#9 Re: Terraformation » Move Mars To L4 / L5 » 2014-09-22 23:53:52

Sorry I wasn't clear I was talking about sun-earth l4/l5 does this make a difference to the calculation, I didn't mean earth-moon.

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#10 Terraformation » Move Mars To L4 / L5 » 2014-09-22 14:00:01

undormant
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Hi, I've recently learnt a bit about l1-l5 and it's very interesting.

If you could move a planet say Mars to l4/l5 would it remain a constant distance from Earth in the orbit, always trailing behind?

I presume Venus is too big?

What is the maximum size of the body in the l4/l5 range?

I've probably misunderstood the concept so please help I find it very interesting.

It seems obvious worlds would rarely develop naturally this way but if terraformers a thousand years from now could do this it opens up worlds of opputunity.

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#11 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Magmatter: Does it exist? » 2014-09-20 05:37:15

People bang on about Lunar not being able to hold onto an atmosphere.

If the moon can hold its atmosphere for 10 thousand years we could simply keep topping it up.

A Civilization capable of terraforming the body could do this.

Real pet hate of mine.

I see no reason for this obsession about a 'forever atmosphere' an all or nothing attitude to the issue when human Civilization only lasts 1000 years at a time anyway for the most part.

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#13 Re: Terraformation » Effect of low gravity on plant life? » 2014-08-17 07:48:34

Very interesting stuff, but even a terraformed Mars would still have stronger winds than Earth due to low gravity? Meaning more pressure on branches making them strong enough for winter?

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#14 Terraformation » Effect of low gravity on plant life? » 2014-08-15 08:20:07

undormant
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Hi,

I've looked online for this info but all I can find is the effects of zero gravity on plants.

I'm wondering how plants and trees etc would grow on a terraformed Mars?

We assume lower gravity would mean taller and stronger trees? Do we have evidence for this assumption?

I'm a writer so curious to know the likely answers.

Please help.

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#15 Re: Terraformation » Working out a planet's attributes » 2012-04-07 01:08:11

Well in this story the planet is natural and it's moon have been captured by technology.

However, if I write a natural system it would be useful to know it's limits.

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#16 Re: Terraformation » Impractical way to cool Venusian Atmosphere. » 2012-03-28 11:51:39

dunwich wrote:

releasing supergreenhouse gasses might work. By increasing the temprature the atmosphere would start to boil off

This I like, has anyone actually suggested making Venus HOTTER before? All that atmosphere is a problem, I agree getting it so hot it boils off into space would be a much better idea. We could then go about creating an atmosphere we actually want/need.

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#17 Re: Terraformation » Working out a planet's attributes » 2012-03-26 09:15:58

That's useful as the Roche Limit is interesting, but is there a law or mathematical equation whereby I can figure out if a body can hold another body in orbit?

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#18 Terraformation » Working out a planet's attributes » 2012-03-25 12:18:26

undormant
Replies: 5

Hi there,

I am new to this forum, well, I used to post last year before the forum went down but can't access that account now since I have changed my email address etc. I used to be Rokku, a bit of a lurker and Terraforming is my fave section of discussion.

There isn't really a good section to put this in so I'll ask for advice here if that's ok.

I am trying to write a novel and am having trouble working out the planets attributes. If anyone can tell me if I have any details wrong on a technical level can they please help me out and let me know?

I've had this discussion with some other people and we have so far come to the conclusion that:

It has a 30 hour day (an hour being the same length as one of our hours by the way) and takes 400 Earth days to go around it's sun therefore in the Goldielocks zone.

It has very similar amount of ocean percentage-wise and a very similar axial tilt.

We agreed that if Purple was twice the size of Earth but I wanted Earth-like gravity that Purple would have to be 4 times as dense as Earth materials-wise. I'm not sure what this translates as when talking about mass.

All of that kind of makes sense to me. It's when adding moons it gets a bit more complicated. Purple has 4 moons, all twice the size of our moon, they have gravity of about the same as Earth, therefore they have an Earth similar mass(?). As a sidenote they are all like Earth in terms of oceans and atmosphere etc. I guess the main question is: Can Purple hold 4 moons of this description in orbit without much trouble?

Ok so I had the moons as being Circumference (equatorial) 20,000 km and again with Earth gravity on the surface. Our Moon is about 10,000 km so willing to go down to that if it makes it work. Willing to go to 0.8 Earth gravity maybe.

The moons would be tidal locked to Purple like our system, I would want the moons to line up so they appear slightly behind each other at all times, but that would require moon 2 to be moving faster than moon 1, and moon 3 to be moving faster than moon 2 etc not sure that's natural.

I need the gravity on all bodies to be Earth-like, but I need the physical size of these bodies to be as stated, is it mathematically possible?

Hope someone can help. Thank you for your patience!

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