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Treadle power, would work there, ya think? & I seem to recall, too. That the chariot. Could be configured with a pressurized lower half. Where a suit. In that case. Would just be a"torso". This is awesome. Y'all ever seen the video of the guy who got stuck in desert with a Citroen? & he built a motorcycle of it? Dunno if fake or not. But it does present concepts. Who knows what survival situations we may encounter?
Thanks, y'all for dropping by. & for the welcome, SpaceNut. You found it, many thanks. Yes, the chariot concept.
Found it maybe. I posted it in the first page here. Got ng back to 2002.
Still after many yrs. Trying to find a link to the standup torso suit quadracycle for the moon. I dunno why it's hard to find.
Hello Everyone
I've actually seen a design nasa is considering. A stand-up treadle bike.
By the way, we've had ongoing thread here. "Bikes on mars, don't laugh". Has evry1 here read the old article about lunar bikes? & yeh i know mars is different than the moon.
Has anyone heard of the handcarts used on the lunar surface?
ideas have been stolen from me before, so as a general rule i don`t give out an exact design. of course, MoonBike concept was independent from me. great points on here. the question of "beefiness", was answered quite well by addition of "assisting" motors, solar, etc.. & yes too, on here is the idea of a "trailer". consider this concept: while hauling the trailer & going "slow", route(s?) are being "mapped", & posibly staked out. so, on a later trip, there`s a safer ride. & the trailer can be dropped. then, the trailer can become a power station, etc..
i said practically the same thing on space.com abt 4 yrs ago. i called it a Mars Commune though. one thing not mentioned i`ve noticed most anywhere is that if some of us are gonna become Permanent Residents of OuterSpace (i`ve taken to calling this PermRes) alotta what we do here will become useless. & by saying this i mean we will eventually develop standard parts. like suits for instance, they should all fit together. it should become fairly common to quickly meltdown & refabricate most needed parts. this has been done i guess on a limited basis in the US military w/ a "Mobile Parts Hospital". i think this equipment will eventually become downsized to fit in a Space capsule. we`d be able to manufacture practically anything out of metal. i guess it does have some limitations though otherwise many would be out of business. the plastic 3d stereo lithograpy idea has been around a bit longer. i know i`m sounding like a dreamer talking about these things. & too, i think some have probably overlooked an aspect of Aerospace industry.
i don`t think a mobile rig would have room for a greenhouse. & would an expedition bring feces all the way back to a stationary base? i guess maybe if it was kept outside a vehicle.
i can`t download this movie. library firewalls in the way. is this movie a kinda fictional portrayal of a Mars mission?
yup, that`s just another example of multiuse. i hope i`m not hijackin thread too far away here, haha.
it would be kinda like a Unimog RV, pullling one of those new atv`s. i can see that. alot of ppl think there`s going to be rigid system in going to Mars, i don`t think so. many things can happen. everything will need to have @least 2 uses. a shovel can become a sled, for instance, if necessary. a vicegrip can become a trailer hitch. a suit can be an airlock. a helmet can be a window. feces can be fuel. human hair can have many uses. algae can be fuel, etc., as well as food. no doubt rats will come along inadvertantly & they would probably be hunted & eaten., maybe ran on a treadmill. fingernails could be used, maybe made into some kinda plastic.
i like this concept. i doubt i`d hang around a base all the time. what w/ a whole planet 2 explore/ not on ur life. as a matter of fact i`d say @least one individual will ba kinda "Coyote" character from KSR`s books.
checkout our thread on Bikes on Mars. just cuz they`re primarily human powered doesn`t mean pedaling all the time. ever heard of a moped? & pedals wouldn`t need 2 just power wheels. a separate human powered human powered rover could even pull a trailer behind. l like the concept too of using lander engines. in addition to hoppers they could be used to "blow" dust.
the legs (below the knees, anyway) don`t need to move up & down in linear pedaling(actually it`s called treadling) therefore less sweating, chafing, etc..
i think the original authors of the moonbike did indeed leave a bit to be desired in these departments. i`m not sure everyone has read all the references to this. one of the ways this is "beaten" is by a linear dirve rather than cyclic. cyclic pedaling has a greater range of motion than linear.
sorry folks i just had to dredge this one up.
i`d never agree w/ one person oneway. that`s a bit too much. 2, yeah. & actually any oneway missions give incentive for followups. & unfortunately w/ our consistency for abandoning space makes drastic measures even more imperitive to make certain we actually become spacefaring race. because in my opinion we may destroy our planet first. sorry to seem pessimistic. i`m not normally that way.
what happened in the 20`s was this. a guy on an upright faired bike crashed in front of the Intl olympic comittee. from then on modified bikes weren`t allowed in Olympics. no one was hurt except the industry.
if i were part of design of these, i`d certainly have them heavier than necessary. for one thing, spare parts would be carried, & more durability would equal heaviness as well. the bicycle industry suffered a setback in the 1920`s which many may be unaware of. it`s similar to the 3wheeler ATV debate. this why we haven`t seen that many changes to it. similarly the blimp is still suffering from the hindenburg. bicycles have mostly been relegated to toys by the general public at large. & only since the 70`s, giants like Alan Abbott & Chet Kyle have revived it. that`s not alot of time for innovation. i put links in the other thread for www.ihpva.org . also the fact that American teens turning 16 largely forget about bikes makes for this too. there are wide gaps between the upright bike community & hpvers. as wide as between xc skiers & downhill, windsurfing & regular, harleys & rice-burners. upright bikes still hold sway as recumbents are still too expensive, not as versatile etc..
To me, one of the most important aspect of OuterSpace endeavors is having the largest number of people living there. We`ll never get anything done, not what we really need, until this happens. There`s a limit to what remotes can do.
chopper 3wheeled atv`s were around long before unchopped ones. dunno how many deaths were associated with em. imho 3wheelers are less maintainence too. not exactly sure about the winch. CM, how do you mean about no winch? not enough weigh on the front? no axle?
excellent post, jon. i think one of the reasons HPV`s are more popular elsewhere than the US is fuel cost. that & there are quite a few areas of the world other than the US where horses &/or buggies are still used. quite a few homeless on the US west coast, live virtually on pedal powered vehicles. American yuppies are extremely far behind the times as far as some things go.
i think i mention this in the other thread. in my opinion 3 wheels are better as there is less contact w/ the ground. it`s really quite interesting that 3 wheeled atv`s were banned several years ago. i guess what happened is that kids tended to raise hell with em. i find it amazing no one thought of a simple solution to the problem. make it a chopper.