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#1 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » HOME SWEET HOME » 2006-08-21 09:24:04

Who says they were aliens? Maybe we fled and the global cultural records of catastrophe are our last remnants of that.

I do not care so much as to WHO as long as you agree that YES these are ruins of
intelligent design and construct.

Idiom, did you find the CAT in the crater ?

Do you see patterns of a city layout ?

SRAM

#2 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » HOME SWEET HOME » 2006-08-20 23:03:07

I have returned to Intelligent Alien Life sector due to the severe lack of signs of intelligence in other sections of  this bored.

Perhaps Idiom, Belinda, and Nickname, et al , will visit me in my Mars cave as I look out across the ancient ruins.

An entire world wiped out in a single moment, the destruction of the alien base on the fifth planet, now an asteroid belt, wrought severe damage to MARS. They were evil, now they are scattered, but not gone.

How can anyone deny the obvious alien maid features of this photo.

  >>>  http://dhaynes5.photosite.com/

At least 5 major constructs, 5 supporting and a Wal-Mart,  2 clicks NW of the obvious FACE.

Face it >>> you are either in the Nile or a disinformation agent if you cannot.

SRAM

#3 Re: Terraformation » The Martian Chronicals » 2006-08-19 19:19:24

Inside of Mars it is not a hostile environment .

It is a great place to hide out from space probes and surface crawlers.

ALL of the planets are semi-hollow.

GOD made them that way.

SRAM

I'm really not into X-Files, secret alien spaceships and the like. if you think planets are hollow, that is your theory not mine. A lot of people have a serious disconnect when someone mentions aliens.

No doubt you are also an atheist.

Those who do not believe in GOD also (usually) do not believe in aliens.

Angels and demons are ALIENS, Mr Athiest.

(believe in THE LORD JESUS)

(ok delete this post)

(delete my subscription)

(delete life)

(no more replies to this terror forming maniac)

out


SRAM

#4 Re: Terraformation » The Martian Chronicals » 2006-08-19 16:07:41

Inside of Mars it is not a hostile environment .

It is a great place to hide out from space probes and surface crawlers.

ALL of the planets are semi-hollow.

GOD made them that way.

SRAM

#5 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-19 11:55:23

Belinda,

The episodal model of Venus. smile

Trapped heat at Venus should make for a more active core, yet Venus has no magnetic field.

This could simply be the spin rate, or Venus didn't get a late large hit to stir it up.

Two planets being so similar ending up so differently just goes to show how small differences can make worlds of difference.

Venus might be the typical earth like planet in the universe.
Without late collisions and correct compositions all earth like places in the universe probably end up like it, or as frozen ice balls.   

It doesn't take much for a runaway greenhouse or runaway freeze on any earth like planet.

I think the moon is much more important than we give credit for.



SRAM,

Why wouldn't god go ahead and make molten planets?
Makes as much sense to create them that way.

If god is the creator then he could do whatever he wanted, not for us to decide what he did, just for us to understand the process.


NICKNAME


The moon is very important to keep the oceans stirred up.
(not to include aiding moonlit lovers to smooch in the LOON  light):shock:



   The molten planets theory does not fit with the semi-hollow planets theory.  


I believe that GOD created all planetary bodies semi-hollow and that the sun is also semi hollow.

(how's that for radical thinking ?)   (illogical ?)   

SRAM :mrgreen:

#6 Re: Terraformation » The Martian Chronicals » 2006-08-19 01:28:08

There are many unknowns about the conditions that were in effect BILLIONS of years ago.

Perhaps the local sun was much more intense in its solar radiation?

It may be blond faith but I believe that Mars was a water world three billion years ago.  Because of its small size gradually conditions changed. Attempts to head off the inevitable climate changes would have only slowed down the process of losing atmosphere and water.

I believe (religiously or mythically) that a cataclysmic event brought about the destruction of Mars whilst there was still a thriving civilization, although in decline.

SRAM

#7 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-18 22:43:53

SRAM:

(we scared off Belinda)

No way did you. I just went out for the day. big_smile

It looks like this topic may be winding down, out, over.

  Hey Belinda, Idiom, Nickname, et al ...

  Here is the link to a free NASA/others  program that lets you fly and zoom into spots
on Mars, Earth, da moon.

  Two separate sites. One in support of original download.

  NO COST TO YOU !!!

   http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/index.html

   http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.html

    http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Mars

    http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_Central

    enjoy

    SRAM >>>>>>>  dave   
big_smile

#8 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-18 20:46:51

SRAM:

(we scared off Belinda)

No way did you. I just went out for the day. big_smile

(now it must be Ian ! )


  http://download-earth.org/?gclid=CKOb7L … IgodNVp9Bg




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#9 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-18 19:45:34

SRAM:

(we scared off Belinda)

No way did you. I just went out for the day. big_smile

(now it must be Ian ! )

#10 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-18 19:36:22

Nickname:

A molten Mars cooling works well for Mars but not well for Venus.
If it is all dictated just from size then Venus should be an active world like earth.

It's hypothesised Venus' heat  gets trapped in its upper mantle below a too-slowly cooling lithosphere to the extent that mantle substance eventually loses density leading to a catastrophic overturn of the lithosphere per half billion years in which it sinks below magma escaping from underneath. This is given as an explanation why much of Venus' surface seems to be about the same age.

I can believe that Venus is as HOTT as her name.

However if I wanted to build a starbase in this sector it would be a good place to hide out. With continuous cloud cover and an inhospitable surface environment , deep underground is the place to be.

If there are mega canyons, a possible livable environment may be there.

I am not sure if I believe NASA/JPL  and its probe reports as being reported as sensed.
(those in power, manipulation and control, playing GOD with the data, as they do with MARS and the Moon)

SRAM   


:mrgreen:

#11 Re: Terraformation » The Martian Chronicals » 2006-08-18 10:12:39

Warm Mars with the Sun, Cook the Earth!

As Venus is the Earth once was.

As the Earth is, MARS once was.

(the earth, being shrouded in total cloud cover, had some protection)

(3billionyearsisalongtime)  8)

#12 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-18 10:07:36

I thought I was the local religious nutter?

Okay if we are going to be unscientific (and ungodly, for all science has been based in religious assumptions, like the fact that there are rational laws to uncover because they were invented by a rational God(Kepler) or that God would create the simpler of two equal possibilities(Occam)) then what are your revelations that the planets are hollow?

Are the public, like many sacred texts? Most talk abouts lakes of fire, not bubbles.

Or are your revelations personal? If they are can you describe them?

There is a great deal of evidence.

I am not speaking  of you , but the following stateMINT  applies to many.

THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE THAT REFUSE TO SEE.

(THOSE THAT SEEK SHALL FIND)

SRAM

(we scared off Belinda)   
:shock:

#13 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-18 09:58:49

SRAM,

Specific gravity will force all the heavy atomic elements to the center of the earth, as long as the medium is liquid.
At the exact center of the earth where gravity is near 0 who is to guess what is there, but likely its heavy atoms also from simply being churned.

Our sun isn't at the center of our solar system, Jupiter, Saturn etc all perturb the sun.

You have some interesting ideas and i would be the first to agree that science is a long way from being able to make any relevant statement about anything.

Most people forget that just a short time ago people were burning people just for thought, and now we ridicule people with ideas that don't fit what is believed to be true.

Sad to think that technology has come this far, but mans mind has not taken any giant leaps.

Your model insist on a molten creation.

Creation exist on no model.

GOD created the heavens and the earth and no model need be presented.

(How is that for far out religious fanaticism?)   big_smile

(i broke down and used a smiley face >>> how radical of me  :!:  )

#14 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Lunatic Fringe » 2006-08-18 09:47:03

how can we avoid their dreadful fate?

Mars and the fifth planet, once fully populated and thriving.

Rebellion by former Godly servants resulted in their total destruction.

The remaining structures, evidence of a once great empire.

The so called "scientist " who reject  the martian evidence, also (many) reject GOD and HIS Salvation through JESUS CHRIST >>> HIMSELF ALSO GOD OUR SAVIOR.

>>>> Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved.

SRAM

#15 Re: Terraformation » The Martian Chronicals » 2006-08-17 23:16:43

How many millions of years ago would it take to make the SUN much more active than it is today?

It is evident that MARS once WAS and DID have a vast and thriving occupation.

Those in denial are playing scientist, trying to look intellectual, whilst having the evidence shoved up their nose.

SRAM

#16 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Candor Chasma - Evidence of Current Presence - Relict? No. current & Immediate » 2006-08-17 23:06:50

There are two types of sheep.

Those that just follow the herd and those that just believe what they have heard.

SRAM

#17 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Candor Chasma - Evidence of Current Presence - Relict? No. current & Immediate » 2006-08-17 22:57:25

Tripp, I'd honestly love to say I can see 'stunning' evidence of artificiality in that picture, but I can't!
    Certainly, some things look out of the ordinary, but the detail seems blurry and the objects could as easily be natural formations, in my opinion.

    But I'm not a born debunker! The 'glass worms' of Mars look mighty suspicious to me, and their NASA designation as sand-dunes seems preposterous. I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation.
    The Face and other anomalies at Cydonia are still on my list for future clarification, too.
    I refuse to dismiss awkward evidence until I'm satisfied personally that an adequate explanation has been provided.

    In the face (sorry! ) of a strong reluctance in the human psyche to rethink fondly-held views, even among scientists, it is crucial that we all keep an open mind.
                                            smile

*I'm with Shaun on this one.  I checked out your web site, Tripp.  No offense intended, but I'm highly skeptical as well.  We'll find out for sure once humans land on Mars, or in the event any robots on the surface do further and extensive work; however, I'm holding out for the humans.  smile

--Cindy

You will not find out anything.

Classified  ABOVE TOP SECRET.

SRAM

#18 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Lunatic Fringe » 2006-08-17 22:41:37

Should not this sector be called the "Marsatic Fringe" since this is a Mars forum
and not the study of LUNA ???

Count me one of the Marsatics.

  Mars. A planet once fully populated by an advanced race of ALIENS.

  Now completely destroyed.

  It had to be >>> they were totally evil.

  SRAM

#19 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-17 22:33:22

I am just point out that you need to propose why the sun is where it is.

Also if gravity is weaker then you need another force to explain what is holding the planets together and preventing them from flinging themselves apart.

You need to add something to the theory is all. Such as a structural explanation of how your planetary models hold together.

>>>>>>><<<<<<<

I will be very unscientific.

  GOD.

     I cannot explain it. I just believe it.

        I suppose that makes me a religeous  fanatic.

          Oh well.

             SRAM

#20 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Is there any point in wondering? - Isn't the question answered, after all? » 2006-08-17 21:04:27

We exist. Therefore, other species, not of our planet, also exist. Probably, there are also space-borne entities. After all... I seem to remember HUBBLE discovering organic matter in a nebula.

Am I insane?  big_smile

Being insane does not negate reality, only the perception of it.

  I want to believe.

    SRAM

#22 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Structure on MARS? » 2006-08-17 20:43:21

Hello again,
I have found another interesting image from the NASA MRO mission archieve. It is a 3D image that when you zoom in on it seems to reveal a structure of some kind.
Take a look if you have some 3D glasses.


Click on the image for larger version, then save it to be able to zoom in on the center of the image.
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#23 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-17 20:29:51

SRAM:

That site does not address the problems of centripetal stress, or large asteroid strikes among other things. Unless they were attempting to postulate a theory of gravity where gravity tries to move everything into spheres... But then why is the Sun at the center of the system. The Hollow Planets model would be more plausible if there was nothing at the center of the solar system.


  >>>>>>><<<<<<<

It cannot  be a solar system if there is no centroid sun.

( Are there any systems without a centroid sun(s) ? )

That is the point. To fit the hollow planets model, the Sun should have formed something closer to a Dyson Sphere out where Jupiter is, with hollow planets orbiting just inside and outside of the Sun.

>>>>>>><<<<<<<

I am not in disagreement with your model.

I propose an alternate  model which allows for semi hollow planetary formation.

What if the theories are wrong ?

What if ALL the planets have hollow cores ?

A possible explanation is that the matter forming the planets and the sun is not a solid but rather  plasma, gas, and dust.

This "soup" would be more like a hot plasma-gas.

As this matter gathered and formed bodies the material would form spheres onto which more material would accumulate. Due to the postulated theory that as you
move toward the center of a mass, the gravity is LESS, then this effect lends itself
to the possibility that the center is hollow.

Pictures of the Earth and Mars seem to indicate a "spin vortex" at the poles of these planets.

A theory, a thought.  I am not being contentious.

SRAM

#24 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-17 07:59:56

Nickname:

Makes sense to me that if the earth is mostly molten then the heaviest objects Led Gold Iron etc migrate to the center to form a molten core, if not your Lava explanation might need a total rework.

I think the idea is, the 'proto Earth' was wholly molten as it accreted (& possibly re-melted when something collided with it/ leading to the formation of present-size Earth and the Moon) and differentiated and it cooled from the surface inwards. & this is supposed to be the point about Mars; Mars, being smaller, cooled quicker hence lithosphere thick enough to support the weight of Olympus Mons etc.

The idea that all planetary formation is from some blob of  the SUN being flung off
may not be the only explanation.

Consider also the condensation of large volumes of gas and dust  spinning down
to form  planets which are NOT SOLID , but do have a substantial mass.

SRAM:

Re. -

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?o … &Itemid=36


>>>>>>><<<<<<<

You will now classify me with the far side.

I would rather dwell there than with your so esteemed and worthy "scientist"
who so dearly clung to their FLAT EARTH and BLOODLETTING until truer
wisdom prevailed.


No, why should any of us be classified? But I would have thought 'evidence of intelligent design' such as very large reliefs of human faces in the landscape of Mars ought to be able to stand up to evidential challenge if it's got anything going for it.

Isn't that the whole point about 'flat earth'; it didn't.

Exactly.  Those who "know it all"  and pass judgement on things that do not fit unto
their particular paradigm, should wait for more revealing and complete evidence.

SRAM

( spelling  >>>  In Great Britain and many of its former colonies, “judgement” is still the correct spelling; but ever since Noah Webster decreed the first E superfluous, Americans have omitted it. Many of Webster’s crotchets have faded away (each year fewer people use the spelling “theater,” for instance); but even the producers of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, chose the traditional American spelling. If you write “judgement” you should also write “colour” and “tyre.”  )

In my opinion "judgement" is the correct spelling.

SRAM

#25 Re: Terraformation » The Death of Mars Theory » 2006-08-17 07:29:21

SRAM:

That site does not address the problems of centripetal stress, or large asteroid strikes among other things. Unless they were attempting to postulate a theory of gravity where gravity tries to move everything into spheres... But then why is the Sun at the center of the system. The Hollow Planets model would be more plausible if there was nothing at the center of the solar system.


  >>>>>>><<<<<<<

It cannot  be a solar system if there is no centroid sun.

( Are there any systems without a centroid sun(s) ? )

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