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#1 Re: Martian Chronicles » Quirks on planet travel » 2006-09-27 12:46:32

I'm guessing that nobody has responded to this because of its horrendous grammar.  It's hard to tell what you're trying to say here.

#2 Re: Human missions » Totally commercially funded "Mars Direct"... » 2006-09-17 05:19:10

A Mars mission, while exciting for us, will not be as large a spectacle as the Olympics. There will be worldwide excitement when the spacecraft launches, but for as far as anyone knows, the rest of the trip could very well be rather boring... no competition, maybe no new Earth-shattering discoveries, and hopefully no drama or serious injuries. And then the astronauts will come back safely, and then who will sponsor the second Mars mission?

I couldn't have said it better.

#3 Re: Human missions » Ion to Mars » 2006-05-26 18:28:15

It's the fuel economy that makes an ion engine worth considering is why.  The engineering is what's being debated.

If there was an engine that could get you to Mars in 50000 years but got 100000000 miles/gallon (really good fuel economy), would you consider it?  How crummy does the engine have to get before you realize it sucks.

Edits were for formatting purpose only.

#4 Re: Human missions » Ion to Mars » 2006-05-26 18:16:07

Why are we even bothering with Ion Engines?  Nuclear Pulse Detonation, Anti-matter, and just about anything that's not a solar sail will go faster than the ion engine.  Even the old liquid oxygen/hydrogen will go faster.

The ion engine has a very high exhaust velocity because the particles being expelled from the engines are going pretty fast.  However, the particles aren't very big, making the energy coming out very little.  It would be good for long distance travel, not short distance trips like mars.

Now let me explain anti-matter engines.  The thrust is fast, because the particles are being expelled at the speed of light (being light after all, it has to go at the speed of light).  The acceleration would be relatively fast because of the insane amount of energy coming out of the rear due to e=mc^2.

#5 Re: Not So Free Chat » The year is 2061 - where will we be ? » 2006-05-25 22:04:10

*Probably still stuck on Earth watching rich people going to the boundary of outer space or to their exclusive LEO or Moon resorts while NASA still fumbles about trying to figure out just what to really do with itself...

I second that.  In the world of today, what could be more important than appeasing rich people???

#6 Re: Human missions » Human Mars Landing Mission for 2033 » 2006-05-25 21:52:52

If we are going to rely on NASA, the government should just burn the taxpayers' money.  At least they won't be risking any lives.

If nothing that NASA has done has proved their incompetence to you, I guess nothing will.  Having them done the pathetic Ranger probe missions, Apollo 1, Challenger, Columbia, totaling 17 dead astronauts, and many more nearly killed, and the manifestly absurd ISS, what else COULD?

On another note, these so-called “practical” ships, which I will assume are (or are similar to) Zubrin’s Mars Direct ships, are jokes.  They would do nothing to develop orbital infrastructure, and, for what they ARE to do, they would do horribly.  Zubrin speaks of humankind spreading to Mars, then, of course, as far out as it can go.  Curious.  We are going to colonize the universe with little Apollo-sized rockets, whose missions do nothing for financial profit, and nothing for orbital infrastructure?  Are we going to fight Earth’s gravity well all the way to Alpha Centauri?  I don’t think so.  It’s just so amusing.  Zubrin blabs about advanced propulsion systems (nuke-pulse, fusion, especially solar sails, or what have you), yet opposes orbital infrastructure, at least in the short term, i.e., he just wants no go to Mars NOW.

What I’m trying to get across here is that Zubin zealots don’t see the whole picture.  They only see narrowly down the path that will, yes, get them to Mars NOW.  They don’t seem to realize if significant orbital infrastructure can be attained, then the expansion into space can proceed at exponential rates that, without it, would be impossible.

So, I will now move on to what is directly relevant in this topic.  Once such orbital infrastructure is attained, then large ships could be built, out of lunar or other space resources. They could, themselves, set up orbital infrastructure somewhere else, such as Mars.  Then, huge masses could be transported between Earth and other destinations.  Mars Direct-style missions have no hope doing this.  They could only move a few people and things to Mars, as Apollo did to the moon.  But hey, at least they get us to Mars NOW.

Also, little Zubrin ships have insignificant radiation shielding.  Zubrin himself admits that one would have a 2% chance of getting fatal cancer on a to-Mars voyage, on his ships.  So as we colonize Mars, we can expect 1 of 50 people to get picked off.  But Zubrin could care less.  He’ll marginalize anything (or apparently anyone) so long as we get to Mars NOW.  Large interplanetary vessels would have no problem carrying radiation shielding, such as lead, attained from space resources (hence, the lead never goes up a gravity well).  Zubrin’s ships simply couldn’t lift that on top of everything else.

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