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"Oh if we lose another orbiter, Shuttle will never fly again for sure."
Yeah, we can't lose another. We 'could' still run on two orbiters, but there's no way they'd fly again if we lose another.
Amazing how some places totally made a mess of the Stafford Covey task group report as negative when it was positive.
Proof is now obvious with the FRR passing through to a pass and a launch date of July 13 now to be set with a griffin announcement.
Depends on what failed.
If one of Shuttle's antique 20+ year old computers is fried, replacing it will be pretty hard. Its unlikly that such computers are still built anymore.
The flight computers are updated - within reason - all the time. Note how we lost two computers on STS-92. We don't go on Ebay looking for Commodore 64s
Stafford Covey give the green light to lauch on July 13.
Serious issue noted with a failed avionic board relating the ECO sensors. Atlantis now doesn't have one at all (and she's needed for RTF as STS-300) and Discovery's is under repair.
Could be a real showstopper
While it's not got much to do with RTF, the CEV is getting a few mentions.
Lockheed Martin's lifting body design is getting all the favorable comments so far.
All important Delta DVR tomorrow.
Stafford-Covey RTF meeting on Monday.
FRR on Wednesday
THEN it's Griffin's call on the July window.
LOX Feedline Bracket Ice Debris concern no longer a launch constraint for Return to Flight:
Then you must be in the know of when a shuttle will be retired then from the multiple choices listed below.
1 2010 because exploration doctorate said so
2 when station is finished or we say we are
3 never because station will never be finished
4 was retired but need shuttle because of unseen eventWell I am sure the one that you might not realize is that even though the president said so that congress can over ride this and direct its continued use or change when it is retire just as well though the Bill process of signature by the president.
http://dev.space.com/spacenews/spacepol … .html]NASA Bill Hangs Condition on Shuttle Retirement
The senior U.S. senators from Florida and Texas are pushing back against NASA’s plan to retire the U.S. space shuttle fleet by the end of the decade regardless of whether a replacement vehicle is ready to enter service by then.
And these are the same senators that want a Hubble rescue mission..
Personally I feel that shuttle will still be need but in a much lower capacity once the 2010 or Iss completion time frame has occurred but it will still be in need for we have not figured out a way to get the large cargo bay sized items need for replacement or repair to the station by any other means. Not to mention that the CEV has no such goals is a dead give away. Only a Shuttle C could forfull this at this point and thats not even being built at this time.
2010 will be the retirement date, I'm pretty convinced.
Endeavour first, prior to her next Maintainance Period in 2009.
Probably not as inacurate as one might precieve but non the less, we are talking shuttle and not really the ISS or is that the other way around.
Flights to the ISS on what is manditory for shuttle use and or status has not officially changed. This is still on Griffins plate on how to solve and only congress can really change what will be done for ISS construction. They control the purse strings.
Ps
The site nasaspaceflight is not an actual Nasa site run by Nasa.
I know it's not a NASA run site. With the same token, we at USA hate NASA.gov
I read some of the RTF slipping and some of the info was very much inaccurate, so I wanted to start a new one and at least give some insight from KSC.
Don't give up on X-33/VentureStar just yet. Lockmart's got two, one at Edwards and USAF is sniffing around this still.
Linear Aerospikes = good
Tanks - possible solution over the past year.
She's not totally dead.
HAH!
last flight: cupola. And initially it was said this item was needed as a sort of control tower for certain robot-arm/space module coordination stuff when assembling.
trailing last of 23 missions, who wants to bet it won't fly at all?
Betting Cupola won't fly, or the Shuttle?
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/future/ shows a new manifest of 23 flights.
Notice that if most of the U(L)Fs disappear from our requirements, there are 15 or so assembly missions. So we can do this if required.
28 launch mandate reduced to 23 and maybe as low as 15 before retirement.
"The rocket equation, which dictates that all rockets must be mostly fuel, is one of man's greatest challenges really. "
Propellant requirement on mass of the rocket will still be the problem to get around for the next 20 years I'm afriad.
As some of you will have seen here: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com]http://www.nasaspaceflight.com (where the USA sources tend to go to get info out) on the last two stories, we have a LOX Feedline Ice Concern and a number of reviews coming up.
It's gonna get busy so I thought I'd log on after being a lurker for so long to see if July will still happen.
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