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I cannot get the time off work on the Friday & Saturday.
I hope to follow it on twitter while I work.
Phoenix has landed!
Brilliant! When do we get the postcard?
Is it landing around 12 midnight in GMT?
UTC is the same as GMT so, about half-past eleven.
Cheers,
Are you my June carter.?
I doubt it. I'm definitely too old for YouTube. But I really, really love Mars. It's my favourite other planet & I'm bitterly disappointed I'm unlikely to live long enough ever to see a permanent human presence there, never mind go there myself for real.
Cheers, bless, keep well etc.
Belinda
Hoax is a word us Mars forum guys throw around. We look for the truth. The truth is what I said.
Why the call it the green valley is why I said.
It was a NASA email that called it 'Green Valley'. Should I complain?
The public will not always have Vincent.
Come on then, Vincent, show us what you're made of. Find / or direct me to an image of the area of the landing ellipse seen from above.
Cheers,
Belinda
Green valley is a hoax. That was a area void of boulders in what they call the green area to land..
I thought it was a nice name. I thought it might've been named Green Valley same way Greenland is.
But why would they hoax us? It isn't April 1st?
Cheers,
B
The best cloud image ever from Mars.
Fantastic!
This is Olympus Mons, right?
Do you have any of 'Green Valley'?
Cheers,
Belinda
Yes, different people see different things based on their knowledge and experience even when the source of their perception is identical (within the variation of the display devices).
Whatever they are, I think they're all wonderful.
I'm really looking forward to 'ground truth' images sent back by Phoenix after May 25th.
Cheers,
B
it looks like a fresh impact crater.
Not some kind of dust effect?
...Earth gets slammed by an asteroid, leaving the colonists all that remains of the human race.
I once read a story along these lines, the Earth destroyed by the 3rd World War (so it would've been during the Cold War, a very long time ago) leaving colonists on Mars to make-out on their own. Probably another John Wyndham - ?
Cheers,
Belinda
Has anyone look into the fact there may be a time delay in the mission food reserves dwindle astronauts look at one another for a food source? Who is most likely to kill another exploration team member to eat?
This was 'looked at' by (British author) John Wyndham in a short story in (about) the 1950s (???); a very long time ago anyway. I don't remember the title but I'm sure someone else in the forum will; I read it in an anthology called 'The Seeds of Time'.
Regards,
Belinda
If someone doesn't believe in the afterlife, that person would be less likely to fight for his country and freedoms and more likely to make someone else fight for those same freedoms, as this life is all he has, and he's not going to squander it.
Conversely, if someone doesn't believe in the afterlife, that person would be more likely to defend his/ her country and freedoms for a better deal in this one.
Tom Kalbfus writes:
I don't think Mars could have had a thick atmosphere with complex life on it without intelligent intervention of some kind, so the question really is one of terraforming.
I see a plot loose end here. Why would your alien travellers, having come such an immense distance, have gone to the trouble of terraforming Mars when there was an already habitable planet nearby?
SRAM:
(we scared off Belinda)
No way did you. I just went out for the day.
Nickname:
A molten Mars cooling works well for Mars but not well for Venus.
If it is all dictated just from size then Venus should be an active world like earth.
It's hypothesised Venus' heat gets trapped in its upper mantle below a too-slowly cooling lithosphere to the extent that mantle substance eventually loses density leading to a catastrophic overturn of the lithosphere per half billion years in which it sinks below magma escaping from underneath. This is given as an explanation why much of Venus' surface seems to be about the same age.
Idiom:
The center of gravity of the combined bodies is below the surface of the Earth, thus the moon is a satellite. If it was above the surface the masses would be close enough to be a 'true' binary system.
So - 2 equal-enough-sized objects orbiting an external centre of gravity = yes it is a binary system, & 1 large object and 1 small orbiting centre of gravity within large object = no it isn't?
Nickname:
Makes sense to me that if the earth is mostly molten then the heaviest objects Led Gold Iron etc migrate to the center to form a molten core, if not your Lava explanation might need a total rework.
I think the idea is, the 'proto Earth' was wholly molten as it accreted (& possibly re-melted when something collided with it/ leading to the formation of present-size Earth and the Moon) and differentiated and it cooled from the surface inwards. & this is supposed to be the point about Mars; Mars, being smaller, cooled quicker hence lithosphere thick enough to support the weight of Olympus Mons etc.
SRAM:
Re. -
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?o … &Itemid=36
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You will now classify me with the far side.
I would rather dwell there than with your so esteemed and worthy "scientist"
who so dearly clung to their FLAT EARTH and BLOODLETTING until truer
wisdom prevailed.
No, why should any of us be classified? But I would have thought 'evidence of intelligent design' such as very large reliefs of human faces in the landscape of Mars ought to be able to stand up to evidential challenge if it's got anything going for it.
Isn't that the whole point about 'flat earth'; it didn't.
Nickname:
Other than Pluto Charon system the rest is all captured items.
You mean, all for e.g. asteroidal or Kuiper Belt binary systems are the result of capture?
The odds pile up against earth 2 if you factor in the % of stars that are not good for life anywhere near them.
Probably making my guess at more like one in 50 billion, and i haven't even touched on the life starts %.
I think the idea of 'earth 2' is based on there being lots of Sun-type stars each of which will have a 'habitable zone' (where water can be wet) in some of which a planet capable of bearing life might orbit, though (if it does) whether it will actually bear life? - We don't yet know for sure how life gets started from chemistry.
If earth like places are required for intelligent life then we might be searching forever for Et as 99% of the time earth has been here it had no intelligent life, and not to sure about now either
Define 'intelligence'.
earth 2
Used to be on tv. I loved the vehicles, architecture and VR, if the characters and 'message' were excruciating.
Lava?
Where does that come from?
My understanding is it comes from the upper part of the mantle due to partial melting. That the Earth is layered is inferred from seismic waves (S waves don't go through liquid, S waves don't go through the outer core, therefore... etc.) and from the composition of chondritic meteorites which are supposed to be the most unaltered material in the Solar System; heavier stuff (iron etc.) must have sunk to the centre, lighter stuff on the outside.
'course, like the ancient Greek model of the Earth surrounded by a crystal sphere embedded with stars, - the above could be superseded anytime.
Our moon the size it is with an earth like planet in the right stellar place will be quite rare.
If you think of the Earth/ Moon system as a binary system, like some asteroids or KBOs (or indeed stars) only very mismatched in size, it needn't be so rare.
(Come on someone out there, - put me right on my physics! Why isn't the Earth/ Moon a binary system?)
It's a nice picture, but let's read your conjecture...
Any "life" to be found on Mars will be deep underground, and will be microbial, not plant or animal.
That's my point, no-one is going to encounter it accidentally.
(The lack of a cosmic-ray shielding van Allen belt will make terraforming Mars very difficult.)
The terraformers would have to make an artificial one.
I am interested in the different opinions that people have on the concept of introducing foreign life the surface of Mars.
Humans on Mars will be foreign life walking on its surface.
If there is any life there, could it destroy that?
If there is any life on Mars, it's unlikely to be at the surface. The first humans to go will have had plenty of time to decide how to protect it, (not to mention the 30+ years between now and their arrival)
Is it right to change environments to suit our needs?
We do it all the time on Earth. People agonise about it but it goes on.
Would you allow life to be brought here from Mars?
It could be fascinating.
I am not starting an argument as all are entitled to their view, so be nice.
I agree, so be nice to me as well.
Water liquid at Mars' atmospheric pressure?!! This is major stuff in contradiction of what I've learnt as an undergrad are basic laws of science.. Since they took the images, - have you asked NASA/ JPL/ MSSS etc. to comment?
I voted quarantine it on Earth. I wld be interested to know how it could be more dangerous than some of the pathogens already being kept in labs not to mention ones out in the field that might mutate.
Belinda, yours is an unequivocal reference, but I also see evidence from our current rovers' images which is very suggestive to me of present day H2O within easy access.
Are the white streaks frost?