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#1001 2021-11-08 15:04:15

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Epoch Times: Effectiveness of 2 of 3 COVID-19 Vaccines Used in US Drops Below 50 Percent After 6 Months: Study

The effectiveness of the three COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States has declined in recent months, with protection against infection falling under 50 percent for two of them after six months, according to a new study.

Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine dropped to 58 percent in September from 89.2 percent effectiveness in March, researchers found. During the same time frame, Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine fell to 43.3 percent from 86.9 percent, and Johnson & Johnson’s shot declined to 13.1 percent from 86.4 percent.

Dr. Stephen Hahn, head of the Food and Drug Administration during the final portion of the Trump administration, said last year that the agency wouldn’t authorize COVID-19 vaccines that weren’t at least 50 percent effective against infection.

The researchers also found that the vaccines’ protection against death waned after six months, particularly among older people. Instead of comparing the effectiveness in March and September, though, they used the data to pinpoint the effectiveness from July to October. For those 65 or older, the effectiveness against death was 75.5 percent for Moderna’s vaccine, 70.1 percent effective for Pfizer’s vaccine, and 52.2 percent effective for Johnson & Johnson’s jab.

For younger people, the effectiveness was higher: 84.3 percent for the Pfizer vaccine, 81.5 percent for Moderna, and 73 percent for Johnson & Johnson.

While early data showed high vaccine effectiveness against both infection and death, “our results suggest vaccines are less effective in preventing infection associated with the Delta variant,” researchers wrote.

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#1002 2021-11-08 17:40:20

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Any truth in the rumour that Governor Newsom of California has been seriously ill since he had the booster? Apparently he hasn't been seen in public for the 12 days since he had the booster.

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#1003 2021-11-08 20:09:03

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Here is what I found on the governor

California governor’s wife tells critics ‘get a life’ after Gavin Newsom cancels UN trip

“Due to family obligations, Governor Newsom will no longer be traveling to the 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP26) and will instead be participating virtually, focusing on California’s landmark climate change policies,” spokeswoman Erin Mellon wrote in a statement announcing the cancellation.

Gavin Newsom's wife, California Democrats bristle at questions about governor's continued absence

Covid 19 US 46,532,058 Confirmed cases in U.S. with 758,186 Deaths in U.S. with todays ending numbers are 46,603,382 U.S. CASES with
865,806 deaths of which we are closing in on herd immunity by vaccine at 72%

So much for the, Regeneron reports COVID-19 antibody cocktail reduced infection risk by 82% for 8 months

It seems that are the infected number rose so did the numbers of those getting vaccines, 12,904,395 eligible Floridians — 60.1% of the state’s population — had completed the two-dose series of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines or have completed Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose vaccine, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

More than 60,000 Floridians have now died of COVID-19; testing positivity rate drops to its lowest since May 2020AAQnicU.img?h=524&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

People are increasingly returning to work and they risk accelerating the spread of COVID-19 without the rule, U.S. tells court that blocking COVID-19 vaccine rule to cost lives

vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe Covid


almost 40 percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10 percent of Democratic adults.

This month, about "25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from Covid, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties," the Times found. The analysis – which defines "Trump counties" as any that saw at least 60% of their electorate vote for Trump in the 2020 election – also observed that the gap appears to be climbing.

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#1004 2021-11-09 21:41:42

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Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) has reported that COVID was 40 Times More Likely to Kill Unvaccinated versus the 11.6 in fully vaccinated people.

November 8, the U.S. as a whole has reported a total of 46,405,253 COVID-19 cases since the start of the pandemic, along with 752,196 deaths.

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#1006 2021-11-11 17:55:41

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The post I made above (#1001) cites a study that shows Pfizer vaccine is only 43.3% effective at preventing infection. That isn't "misinformation", that's from a study. And reports of myocarditis and pericarditis come from the CDC. I think the CDC is a reliable source.

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#1007 2021-11-11 18:17:00

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Yes that is months after injection where by the body is getting rid of what it thinks is not natural for the body which seems to be the case for even natural immunity as well as for all of the vaccines.

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#1008 2021-11-11 18:22:25

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The efficacy rates look only at Covid disease. If they looked at all-cause mortality/disease you would find a very different picture.

UK stats suggest there is hardly any difference now between vaccinated and unvaccinated on all-cause mortality between the two groups. Given that the "unvaccinated" group includes all those who could not be vaccinated because they were so close to death, that's instructive I think.

There Covid vaccines are probably the worst ever performing vaccines of all time.

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The post I made above (#1001) cites a study that shows Pfizer vaccine is only 43.3% effective at preventing infection. That isn't "misinformation", that's from a study. And reports of myocarditis and pericarditis come from the CDC. I think the CDC is a reliable source.


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#1009 2021-11-11 18:30:40

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#1010 2021-11-12 10:53:59

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Some say the Australia and New Zealand lock downs are too brutal and doing damage to the economy, while some are skeptical of certain vaccines. I believe some of it is cultural and NZ and Aus are vaccine hesitant because of the flipper babies event with Thalidomide as it was sold as a cure all drug during the 1950s and 60s, I believe per person per capita NZ and Aus were hit bad and  the drug was sold under the brand name Distaval, as a remedy for morning sickness

Some numbers

They say the COVID-19 pandemic has now killed 5 million people around the world, COVID-19: Germany, US join Romania’s red travel list, Aus and NZ still have restrictions while some Nordic countries are opening up again and once more trying to live with it.

Biden Covid Deaths

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/bide … h-tracker/

347,050 Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office.


For the first time since April, Taiwan has reported "Triple Zeroes" 0 Covid Deaths, 0 Imported Cases, and 0 Local Cases
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4318166

Group claims vaccine mandate will damage economy
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … arns-biden

Facebook takes down Brazilian president Bolsonaro video over false claim linking COVID-19 vaccines to AIDS while India still promotes Cow Urine magic voodoo cures, numbers now fall but death rate rose sharply

more numbers

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

USA Cases 47,700,489
India 34,414,186
Brazil 21,926,526

and you have the whole entertainment industry some of which are pro-vaccien or anti-vaccine or non political

Lorde postpones Australian and New Zealand world tour dates to 2023
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/m … ncertainty

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/news/mus … 3/13625260

Eric Clapton may have had a reaction and some say this added to Covid conspiracies,


Vaccine hesitancy is a delay in acceptance, or refusal of vaccines despite the availability of vaccine services. The term covers outright refusals to vaccinate, delaying vaccines, accepting vaccines but remaining uncertain about their use, or using certain vaccines but not others
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_hesitancy
Proposed laws that would mandate vaccination, such as California Senate Bill 277 and Australia's No Jab No Pay, have been opposed by anti-vaccination activists and organizations.
Charlotte Cleverley-Bisman, is a child known as the face of a New Zealand campaign to encourage vaccination against meningococcal disease after contracting and surviving severe meningococcal sepsis

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#1011 2021-11-12 16:37:21

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Not about either president

On Trump’s Last Full Day, Nation Records 400,000 Covid Deaths

Trump Leaves Office With 13.5 Million Americans Vaccinated for COVID, Falling Short of 35 Million Goal

347,050 Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office.

Vaccine doses administered 437,352,000 Fully vaccinated 54.33% Received at least one dose 67.95%

Which means increased vacinations should be if the vaccines was for the current variant reducing numbers even more but for the same period its 50,000 lives saved that would have died.

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#1012 2021-11-12 18:24:18

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You say "from" Covid. You mean "after a positive Covid test (which in some cases will be a false positive)".

The vast majority of the 347,050 will be very close to death anyway. You can tell that because you won't see huge rises in your 5 year average mortality rates after the initial impact. Covid is just taking its place alongside all the other lung pathogens that finish off people with weakened immune systems: the aged, people with cancer, people with diabetes, people who are grossly obese, people with other lung pathogens etc etc.

Keeping very old people alive is not necessarily a good thing. It means that while they might have had a relatively peaceful death from respritatory failure they will now have to die from painful cancers, distressing dementia conditions, immoblising diseases like Parkinsons or septicemia, often involving amputation of limbs.

Time you got real rather than pumping out Big Pharma propaganda.

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Not about either president

On Trump’s Last Full Day, Nation Records 400,000 Covid Deaths

Trump Leaves Office With 13.5 Million Americans Vaccinated for COVID, Falling Short of 35 Million Goal

347,050 Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office.

Vaccine doses administered 437,352,000 Fully vaccinated 54.33% Received at least one dose 67.95%

Which means increased vacinations should be if the vaccines was for the current variant reducing numbers even more but for the same period its 50,000 lives saved that would have died.

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#1013 2021-11-12 18:48:42

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CTV News is one of the mainstream media news outlets in Canada. And the article originates from Reuters.
EU lists rare spinal condition as side-effect of J&J COVID-19 shot

CLARIFICATION: Reuters says this story was based on a European Medicines Agency statement from Oct. 6 and was released inadvertently on Nov. 11.

Europe's drug regulator on Thursday recommended adding a rare type of spinal inflammation called transverse myelitis as a side-effect of Johnson & Johnson's single-dose COVID-19 vaccine.

Reports of this serious neurological illness was also at the heart of trial halts in the early stages of development for both AstraZeneca and J&J's shots, which are based on similar technology.

Giving updates on the safety of all coronavirus shots, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said it was assessing reports of a rare blood condition known as capillary leak syndrome following inoculation with Moderna's vaccine.

The EMA said it had recorded six cases of CLS and was assessing all data, but it was not yet clear if there was a causal association between the reports and the vaccine.

In CLS, fluids leak from the smallest blood vessels causing swelling and a drop in blood pressure. The condition has also been studied with vaccines from AstraZeneca and J&J.

The EMA said there was currently not enough evidence of a possible link between rare cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome and mRNA-based vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

The regulator is reviewing if approved coronavirus vaccines could cause MIS. The syndrome is a serious but rare condition in which different body parts become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs.

J&J and Moderna did not immediately respond to requests for comments.

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#1014 2021-11-12 18:54:10

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Trump infection were from viraint A
Bidens infections were from variant D

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Of course since most of the vaccinated were done back before May we are now seeing deaths from the dropping immunity and are in need of a booster shot to slow those rates.

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#1015 2021-11-14 18:54:38

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#1016 2021-11-14 19:01:32

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You think the virus is having a conversation with Trump and Biden?  lol

You sound like a fully paid up rep for Big Pharma.

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Trump infection were from viraint A
Bidens infections were from variant D

https://media.zenfs.com/en/axios_articl … 62d97e986c

Of course since most of the vaccinated were done back before May we are now seeing deaths from the dropping immunity and are in need of a booster shot to slow those rates.


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#1017 2021-11-14 19:03:27

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The clue is in "caregiver" ie grandparents. Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. 

Tell you what - why doesn't the state get off our backs and let us deal with the virus as we see fit. If this was a really bona fide plague people would be holed up in their houses by personal choice.




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#1018 2021-11-15 17:58:23

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Cases of Potentially Faster-Spreading AY.4.2 Variant Hit 40,000, up 10,000 in a Week

AY.4.2 is a sub-lineage of the Delta variant found almost entirely in the U.K., where it has accounted for around 15 percent of samples sequenced per day recently. Two mutations notably associated with AY.4.2 are called Y145H and A222V, both of which affect the spike protein that the SARS-CoV-2 virus uses to enter human cells.

Connecticut nursing home COVID-19 outbreak results in 89 infected, 8 dead

"We are encouraged to see only 3 active cases of covid-19 remaining within our nursing home. Of the total 67 residents affected over the course of this outbreak, 56 are fully recovered and off isolation. Sadly, we have lost 8 individuals with serious underlying health issues to Covid," Kevin O'Connell, the Geer Village Senior Community CEO, wrote.
Facility leaders said 87 of the 89 infected residents and staff were fully vaccinated, so leaders are "obviously concerned we experienced some level of waning immunity."

Sounds to me like they have not got a clue for the vaccines and when they needed to get a booster.

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#1019 2021-11-18 15:22:46

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I know that Luois has been talking about deaths not covid related and those being blended in even though they were not so here is the poroof that we were paying attention to that and not putting them together after all.
Alarm grows as mortuaries fill with thousands of extra non-Covid deaths

These are the deaths as caused by hospital getting so full that they get deigned that help when they need it most.

Nearly 10,000 more people than usual have died in the past four months from non-Covid reasons,

Office for National Statistics showed that England and Wales registered 20,823 more deaths than the five-year average in the past 18 weeks. Only 11,531 deaths involved Covid.

It means that 9,292 deaths - 45 per cent - were not linked to the pandemic.

Weekly figures for the week ending November 5 showed that there were 1,659 more deaths than would normally be expected at this time of year. Of those, 700 were not caused by Covid.

More than 6.6 million minors have contracted the virus, 23,000 have been hospitalized and about 750 have died.

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Nope, that wasn't the point I was making. I've been talking about all-cause mortality for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Death is about the only reliable statistic.  The point is that a vaccine that saves you from death by one disease (if it does) but causes you to die from another is not much use. There is a strong suspicion, borne out by the statistics, that this might be the case.

The other point that I have made, that people who are really dying from cancer or heart disease or general respiratory failure are being listed as "deaths from Covid" is a different point and won't be affected by the stats given in your  link which is looking at excess mortality (excess from a 5 year average for all cause deaths) across the population at large. 

The fact you have nearly 10,000 excess deaths across both vaccinated and unvaccinated people tells you nothing per se, except that something odd is going on. The fact these excess deaths occur at the same time as a whole population vaccination programme is reaching its height should make anyone sensible pause and reflect. This link shows how vaccination in Sweden is associated with a very large uptick in excess mortality:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/ano … bout-covid

This has been happening all around the world. It needs investigating.

Sadly the medical and epidemiological professions are so totally corrupted by Big Pharma they engage in a conspiracy of silence and refuse to speak up.

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I know that Luois has been talking about deaths not covid related and those being blended in even though they were not so here is the poroof that we were paying attention to that and not putting them together after all.
Alarm grows as mortuaries fill with thousands of extra non-Covid deaths

These are the deaths as caused by hospital getting so full that they get deigned that help when they need it most.

Nearly 10,000 more people than usual have died in the past four months from non-Covid reasons,

Office for National Statistics showed that England and Wales registered 20,823 more deaths than the five-year average in the past 18 weeks. Only 11,531 deaths involved Covid.

It means that 9,292 deaths - 45 per cent - were not linked to the pandemic.

Weekly figures for the week ending November 5 showed that there were 1,659 more deaths than would normally be expected at this time of year. Of those, 700 were not caused by Covid.


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The military was told to get the vaccines as well as any civilians that are working on the many federal cites. They had a deadly for even getting the single shot J&J as part of the choices. Of course that means you are not following orders if you did not get one.
Soldiers Who Refuse Vaccination Can Still Serve, But Their Careers Are Over

In a memo to the force last week, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth said active-duty soldiers, reservists and Guardsmen who refuse the vaccine will be "flagged," meaning they will be barred from reenlistment, promotions and potentially most schools.
The deadline to be vaccinated is Dec. 15 for active-duty soldiers and June 30 for Reserve and Army National Guard troops.
There is little evidence of widespread anti-vaccine sentiment in the military. As of last week, 92% of active-duty soldiers are fully vaccinated, far outpacing the general U.S. population, which is at 59%, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

There are those that feel that Delta Covid variant may mutate itself into self-extinction and has already done so in one part of the world, scientists claim. Japan is recording an insignificant 140 cases a day despite being riddled with the Delta strain only three months ago.

COVID-19 cases are climbing nationally as the U.S. barrels into its second holiday season during the pandemic, with most families planning this year to gather for Thanksgiving.

United States cases
Updated Nov 22 at 2:44 PM local
Confirmed           Deaths
47,701,872         771,013
+40,630             +322

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#1022 2021-11-23 15:51:00

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Seems we may be in the vaccine trail finally with SARS-CoV-2 T-cell immunity is a central goal for vaccine development antibody levels often decline over time and need boosting, T-cells have the ability to stay in the bloodstream for several years.

Wanting to get the mandate of vaccines in the court at this time but now pushing to limit border crossing of the disease. US to require vaccines for all essential, nonresident border crossers in January

lessens to be learned from Israel on Boosters

Of course for those that truely had the virus Some GOP states carve out "natural immunity" COVID vaccine exception but we know that that will wear off too.

Vaccines reduce Covid transmission by 40%

Not sure that the natural would be provable for the same ability as a virus mutates...

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Scientists uncover coronavirus-related SARS-CoV-2 in Cambodian bats sampled more than 10 years ago

In the recent study, scientists relied on metagenomic sequencing to identify “the nearly identical viruses” in two Shamel’s horseshoe bats, initially sampled in 2010. According to the authors, the findings suggest “the current understanding of the geographic distribution of the SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 lineages possibly reflects a lack of sampling in Southeast Asia.”

In addition to bats, authors warned that certain species of cat, civet, and weasels found in the region are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection, and could ultimately serve as intermediary hosts for transmission to humans. What’s more, groups of pangolins seized during anti-smuggling operations in 2020 showed signs of viruses of the SARS-CoV-2 sublineage.

interesting but  need more...

its bad enough that 39 us states have seen a sudden surge in the virus and filling of hospital beds but now we  have another variant
Europe is also seeing its 4th wave of the virus as well.

coming Scientists are closely tracking a coronavirus variant with a 'worrying' number of mutations. They don't yet know if it's more infectious.

The variant, called B.1.1.529, has 32 mutations in the part of the virus that attaches to human cells, called the spike protein — the target for existing vaccines and antibody treatments. A higher number of mutations in the spike protein may change its shape and means there is a greater risk that those vaccines and treatments won't be effective against it.

The highly infectious Delta variant, which is the most common variant worldwide, has 11 to 15 mutations in its spike protein and some of them help it avoid the immune response, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Yup that is why the current vaccine is not a cure...

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#1024 2021-11-26 19:07:24

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The World Health Organization (WHO) has scheduled a special Friday meeting to discuss a newly emergent and "heavily mutated" variant of COVID-19 that could bypass immunity provided by vaccines and prior infections.

South African scientists detected more than 30 mutations to the variant's spike protein. The spike proteins on the surface of the virus enable it to attach to human cells, infecting them and allowing the virus to replicate through the body.

The mutations of the virus may increase its contagiousness or make it capable of bypassing vaccines and any immunity from prior infections, the WHO said in a briefing.

Some of the mutations are so new that scientists have never seen them until now. As a result, medical experts aren't yet sure how the mutations may affect the variant's transmission or symptoms.


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Didn't an American President say "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

This is co-oridinated fear - a pyschological assault on the minds of people in the world's democracies.

The purpose is clear: to introduce Digital ID (beginning with VaxID) and then Digital Currency. Then every individual can be controlled by the state.

In case you don't know, plans for programmable Central Bank Digital Currencies are far advanced and were put in the formal policy outcome for COP26 on the absurd grounds that not printing money will somehow save the planet.

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The World Health Organization (WHO) has scheduled a special Friday meeting to discuss a newly emergent and "heavily mutated" variant of COVID-19 that could bypass immunity provided by vaccines and prior infections.

South African scientists detected more than 30 mutations to the variant's spike protein. The spike proteins on the surface of the virus enable it to attach to human cells, infecting them and allowing the virus to replicate through the body.

The mutations of the virus may increase its contagiousness or make it capable of bypassing vaccines and any immunity from prior infections, the WHO said in a briefing.

Some of the mutations are so new that scientists have never seen them until now. As a result, medical experts aren't yet sure how the mutations may affect the variant's transmission or symptoms.


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