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#651 2023-06-19 14:48:06

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

A hundred acres of land could easily support all of those things in a walking community all designed on a tiny lot home layout.

To answer the quest towns have not taken much of the likings to tiny homes even when built on the lot permanently. They give many of the same reasons of other not in my back yard attitudes.


There is also no reason that the tiny lots could not also be sold for that same purpose within a development area.

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#652 2023-06-20 10:56:03

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

For SpaceNut re tiny home concept ...

Here are some images you could add to this topic, to illustrate various ways of doing "tiny home" in the Real Earth ...

1) refugee camps (tents and frame supported canvas shelters)
2) African villages ... for thousands of years tiny homes made of local materials
3) Alaskan igloo villages - for thousands of years shelter in tiny homes made of blocks of ice (packed snow)

I'd like to encourage you to consider becoming a leader in this particular important area of human need...

100 acres sounds to me like a fairly generous allocation of land ...

Is there a plot of that size near you?

A team of architects would be needed to do a first tier job of designing a community...

An individual might be able to create a rough outline of what would be needed... you might be that individual.

How much land should each home "owner" enjoy?

The organizer of this venture needs to plan for:

1) water
2) sewer
3) flooding avoidance and coping
4) electric service
5) computer service by land line (fiber)
6) telephone service (wireless)
7) fire protection (volunteers as is traditional in small communities)
8) police/judicial system (? outside entity)
9) postal service
10) groceries including fresh vegetables and fruits
11) hardware store (could be a general store as is traditional in small communities)
12) pharmacy
13) medical service (could be out of general store)
14) dental service (likewise)
15) library - probably separate
16) whatever I've overlooked.

Your task (should you decide to take it on) is to find a plot, and then persuade people to make it happen.

This is not too different from what Terraformer is bravely attempting, on a larger scale of converting an entire existing community to heat pump technology.

Your first instinct appears to be doubt that you can pull this off.  That is understandable, but this is small potatoes compared to what Terraformer is attempting.

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#653 2023-06-22 18:04:49

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

I tried the other night to make a post about this as it reminded me of the My Hacienda topic in designing of the planned infrastructure buildup of an open partial of land to make use of.

My self while there is plenty of land it is not with in my means to put such a project into motion.

I did hear that a local Catholic church was in the process that would create such a project for the homeless off-loading the cities costs to a non-profit constraint. The city from what I understand was rezoning the use codes for the piece of land to make it possible for the church to purchase and achieve this goal.

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#654 2023-06-22 20:32:10

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

For SpaceNut re #653

If you get time (and I understand your time is limited) please investigate further, to see if the proposal to create a community is more than just one person with a bold idea.  You don't have to invest any money, but it will take a bit of your time to find out more about the proposal.

It is almost certain that no one involved has any idea whatsoever about Mars or what a community might look like there.  However, the morale of the people who live in such a community might be improved if they were given the opportunity to try out some ideas being considered for the Mars project.

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#655 2023-10-05 19:09:09

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

With this we can change...
Denver experimented with giving people $1,000 a month. It reduced homelessness and increased full-time employment, a study found.

So lets find numbers for rent, cost of living, wages, number of hours one must work to support even this effort...

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#656 2023-10-05 19:23:03

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For SpaceNut re #655

Thanks for the link to the story about the Denver experiment.  I'll try to make time to read it because it sounds interesting.

Regarding your closing line ... I ** think ** the purpose of the study is to find out if homeless people selected for the experiment are able to solve all those problems themselves, so you don't have to.  It would appear from the teaser line that the method must work for some people, but I would have to read the article to find out how many.

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#657 2023-11-10 18:00:01

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

Seems that this is catching on as more and more are falling in the homeless See inside a tiny-home village that gives homeless people $200-a-month houses — and has a waiting list of 700 people

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12 Neighbours tiny-home village in New Brunswick, Canada — across the border from Maine, Courtesy of Marcel LeBrun which will grow to 78 homes.  New Brunswick's minimum wage of $14.75 an hour.
Residents aged 18 to 71 have access to a laundry room, medical services, and career training. The village's 46 staff members work to provide affordable, permanent housing and developmental assistance to individuals who have experienced chronic homelessness.

Not bad looking plus lots more images
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#658 2023-11-10 18:56:53

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Re: Why do we have Poverty in America

People end up being homeless for many different reasons.  Losing a job and being unable to make mortgage payments.  Being evicted by a spouse, etc.  One of the things that makes helping the homeless difficult is that many of them have severe mental health problems.  This makes it difficulty for them to live with others.


"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."

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#659 2023-11-11 09:25:00

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Yes the labeling or lumping all things into what now is Mental illness, also called mental health disorders, refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior.

Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.

Many people have mental health concerns from time to time. But a mental health concern becomes a mental illness when ongoing signs and symptoms cause frequent stress and affect your ability to function.

A mental illness can make you miserable and can cause problems in your daily life, such as at school or work or in relationships. In most cases, symptoms can be managed with a combination of medications and talk therapy (psychotherapy).

To which it focuses on the later as to solve all issues which is why it is not being resolved.             

Examples of signs and symptoms include:

Feeling sad or down
Confused thinking or reduced ability to concentrate
Excessive fears or worries, or extreme feelings of guilt
Extreme mood changes of highs and lows
Withdrawal from friends and activities
Significant tiredness, low energy or problems sleeping
Detachment from reality (delusions), paranoia or hallucinations
Inability to cope with daily problems or stress
Trouble understanding and relating to situations and to people
Problems with alcohol or drug use
Major changes in eating habits
Sex drive changes
Excessive anger, hostility or violence
Suicidal thinking

The issue is that the one which is with these are in denial that they need help.
So, with this built into the community as intake and follow up is part of changing some of these for the better.

Myself I have been considered poor from the time I begam to live in my township too today with a frame of mind that my being labeled is part of the problem by others. That learning how to do things with nothing has been an important lesson not just for myself but for my family as we know that living up to the jones is part of the problem that many face from friends, neighbors and even direct family members.

I have a good job but when you consider other things of family such as that's the only income you now know that the wage is minimal once its divided up to cover the family's needs. I could be depressed but instead I am happy that what I make provides for all to live with some level of what others have towards happiness.

This is not how others are able to get through this but its one of many.

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#660 2023-11-11 11:52:52

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Not thinking of any member here, but I have had a thought in my head about microflora in the guts of humans, and it's possible relationship to sub-optimal behaviors for the individuals with a particular sort.

For instance, eating junk food apparently causes microbes that tell the brain to eat more junk food.

some rodents can get a bug that makes them not afraid of a predator like a cat, and they get eaten and then more rodents eat the resulting poo, I guess.

Fungi make some ants into zombies.

Places with poor hygiene might be where bad bugs might spread, such as prisons.  Also, the homeless without good hygiene may spread such things.

One has to be careful to watch out for interference, because prisons are an industry.  There are people who make money from it, and also there are psychopaths.

I have recently started to think that some of the ruling elites actually want the "Lower Classes" to be poor enough, to be kept into their place.

In a society like that such people might have a look and think that the common people have too much money for their own good.

I guess what I am saying is there are people who do not want things fixed.  I understand that that may be a problem in a place like India, where the Hindu feels that the lower casts need to earn a route upward by suffering. 

Sometimes even Christianity tends towards the notion of promoted suffering.  It is against the teachings of the New Testament, but I have seen it occur.  We are not to seek suffering, but to take is up if we must.

Back to the bugs in the gut idea.

This is a reach, but who knows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518

We know about covid as people who get it often get sick in a manner we define as body sick.

But could an infectious organism promote a bit of mass silliness/insanity for a period of time?  Dancing might cause socialization which might allow such an organism to infect more individuals.  But over time the infection might burn out for some reason.  Maybe the immune system.

So, I am just saying that some people who are functioning in unhappy ways, may have a gut biome problem.

And I suppose the gut might not be the only place where a reservoir of such an "Infection" might reside.

If even a fraction of marginal people could be improved in their behaviors to a situation where they function better, it should be worth looking at this idea.

Done

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#661 2023-11-24 18:49:21

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These 3D-printed homes take just 4 days to build — here’s how they could solve one state’s massive housing shortage

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A recyclable 3D-printed home made from natural materials has been revealed to the public, and this may only be the beginning.

The design is part of a project to create a “factory of the future” for sustainable, eco-friendly home development by way of 3D printing technology. The 600-square-foot home, composed of wood fibers and sawmill waste, known as bio-resins, was the creation of researchers from the University of Maine.
This new type of home is a breakthrough considering how current 3D technology used to build homes often requires materials that create lots of carbon pollution when produced, like the concrete needed to build the walls. The new homes do not use concrete, instead using wood components, except for the foundation.

costs for these $10 k and up

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#662 2023-11-25 12:08:22

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#663 2023-12-12 18:31:44

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A 3D-printed home builder demolished a house before it was complete. Here's why.

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Affordable housing solution? Small business may 3D print a new neighborhood in Rochester
in the old Gonic mill.

MADCO3D, a small company located in a quiet corner of the Gonic Mills, is working to bring a new approach to filling the crisis-level need for workforce and affordable housing in New Hampshire.

Dan Bernard, one of the founding partners of MADCO3D, said the company can print a 3D home, using robots, in a week.

The company is in talks with the city of Rochester about creating a 40-home development made up entirely of 3D-printed sand concrete houses. It would be located on city-owned property on Chesley Hill Road.

Rochester City Manager Katie Ambrose said feasibility studies are being done, and the hope is to bring a proposal to the City Council next year.

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"We have 46 acres out there," Rochester Mayor Paul Callaghan said. "We are interested in creating workforce housing. There is a real need for this."

Bernard said MADCO3D is also in talks with other area developers like John and Maggie Randolph, who recently built and opened to tenants a neighborhood of small cottage homes in Dover.

"We have a large industrial robot and are soon going to have access to two more," Bernard said. "The robot can print an 800-square-foot house in a week or less. Bigger ones take a bit more time, but nothing like the construction schedule needed to build a more traditional house."

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#664 2023-12-12 20:59:17

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#665 2023-12-20 11:37:30

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Seems some 3D are not up to par as Iowa Teardown Exposes Problems Of 3-D-Printing Homes

The problem was that the concrete used in the house didn’t meet standards for environmental wear and tear.

We had vertical cracking and some horizontal cracking, which was less of a concern, and we knew we had issues” with the strength of the concrete.

it was clear that the material wasn’t hitting the levels they wanted for structural soundness. “We’re still trying to sort out whether it was because of climate,” he said, noting that the heat index reached 120 degrees this summer, with high humidity.

Clearly then new materials need to be worked on to overcome these issues.

Where money is the savoir or ruin of man it can help for 103 people How $750 a month changed the lives of a group of homeless people in California

does not seem like much for a monthly change.

Miracle Messages CEO and founder Kevin F. Adler said the $2.1 million study grew out of a pilot program from the nonprofit that gave 14 unhoused people $500 per month. In that study, he said the funds donated funds allowed two-thirds of the people to secure housing.

Just over 750 people were enrolled in the new study and 103 were chosen at random to be eligible for the $750 a month. On average, participants were 47 years old, and 78% were minorities.


Nearly a third of the people used the money for food and roughly 20% used it for housing; 11% to 12% used it for clothing and transportation; while 6% used it for health care and 13% used it for other expenses, as determined by the research group.

Of the 30% who started the program unsheltered, only 12% remained unsheltered at the six-month point.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development said that 653,104 people were experiencing homelessness, up 12% from 2022.

living off the grid learning back to the time when our forefathers came to centuries in our past.

I live off the grid in a tiny house and freed myself from capitalism. I don't have a cell phone or ID, and I don't pay taxes — here's how.

Lessons that have been learned is how to do with less.

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