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Back to the first post it is with dishearting thought that I think that we will not make choice
a) 2001 to 2033 AD
as with the current line of progress by nasa on a manned capsule and heavy lift which also make choice
b) 2034 to 2066 AD
as well not likely with the funding as the lift vehicles will eat up per launch a huge amount leaving little for the R&D developement needed for a mars mission which making choice
c) 2067 to 2100 AD
likely for a Nasa mission. But if the private industry as we have been talking in other topics of making a lift vehicle a bit more capable (50Mt-70Mt) but at a 3rd less than a Nasa mission we could be going in the early period of choice B.
Continuing Helicopter in http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7194 even thou its about a small ride along the topic still does need all the same discusion as its scaleable even on a large scale.
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If Chinese or Hindu India or Russian or Shinto Buddhist Japanese culture were to help build most of the first 'Mars Town' many doubt American Culture or US History and Customs would dominate and instead by replaced or dominated by others.
However the US and NASA is still the major player in space, many of the successful Private-Alt-Space companies are also based in America.
Nasa astronaut will be first Native American woman in space
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/62602361
'We want our country to do it first': A NASA executive says a US-China Mars mission is not in the cards
https://www.insider.com/nasa-china-why- … ion-2019-7
That is not to say a Nation or Empire or Country will last forever, it seems China will win the race for a Fiirst Mars Sample Return and what goalpost shift would take place if China landed on mars first or they build that first Mars village before anyone else? Perhaps politically USA showed its method was better than Soviet rule, America's culture was better than the idea of a USSR, the world shifted from Russia being first in space, to USA being first on the moon.
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The 343 Day Winter 343 Day Summer after a while Mars might mark its own events and develop its own festivals
Also celebrated in Grenada and Liberia Africa, Philippines, while it was an American colony in the first half of the 20th century, celebrated Thanksgiving. Wampanoags, a tribe of Native Americans who, along with the last surviving Patuxet, had helped Pilgrims and Puritans get through the previous winter by giving them food in that time of scarcity. During the revolutionary period, political influences affected the issuance of Thanksgiving proclamations. Various proclamations were made by royal governors, and conversely by patriot leaders, such as John Hancock, General George Washington, and the Continental Congress, each giving thanks to God for events favorable to their causes. As President of the United States, George Washington proclaimed the first nationwide thanksgiving celebration in America marking it "as a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favours of Almighty God". Wampanoag are a Native American people and an Indigenous people of the Northeastern Woodlands based in southeastern Massachusetts and historically parts of eastern Rhode Island. The centerpiece of contemporary Thanksgiving in the United States and in Canada is Thanksgiving dinner or turkey dinner, a large meal generally centered on a large roasted turkey. Thanksgiving may be the largest eating event in the United States as measured by retail sales of food and beverages
https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/ … nksgiving/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eustaciahu … d904978a46
Record Turkey Prices Could Make for a Fowl Thanksgiving
https://www.wsj.com/articles/record-tur … ewer_click
Alaska Natives celebrate Democrat Mary Peltola's historic win in US House special election
https://www.firstpost.com/world/alaska- … 65291.html
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In a troubled colony, a settlement of hungry people on Mars, they might celebrate 'Thanks Giving' if your nation goes there and sells them some cheap Turkey or if they don't get Turkeys and instead another bunch from Asia arrive and give them 'Mooncakes' then colonists might celebrate a Chinese festival instead?
https://web.archive.org/web/20180910094 … n-asia.htm
Mid-Autumn Festival
Taikonauts enjoy 'home-grown' meal during Mid-Autumn Festival
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/topnews … dfefd.html
A traditional Chinese festival during which the most popular food is moon cakes, Similar holidays are celebrated in Japan the Tsukimi Festival, Korea Chuseok Vietnam Tet Trung Thu and other countries in East and Southeast Asia. The Burning incense in reverence to deities including Chang'e and performance of dragon and lion dances, the Chinese have a Dragon folklore that is similar but different to the European Dragon mythology, versions of lion dance related to the Chinese lion are also found in Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam, Lion dance also exist in Balinese cultures however Indonesia is equatorial and almost 90% muslim. maybe it spread through language or the Monks and Buddhists took the festival from town to town across Asia moved around by boat or originally helped spread the Festival of harvest during the autumn full moon since the Shang dynasty, it was a celebration of reaping of rice and wheat with food offerings made in honor of the Moon, perhaps even it was originally a Pagan or Folk religion ritual?
What Thanksgiving, Christmas travel could cost you this year
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/w … t-you-year
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Well with a mars year of 688 earth days when would you celebrate the holiday, or would you simply do so when it happens on earth no matter where it is during the Martian year.
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Since the movement of the Sun and growing food has been an important part of human life I think Mars might have its unique pagan style festivals but based on Mars Time. The Celtic people were probably more of a collection of culture maybe stretching across Northern Spain, France, perhaps stretching as far as Constantinople or modern Turkey, the Celt first to sack Rome, Before Christ or Before Common Era July 18, 387 B.C was a cursed day, the Celts departed, then driven out and defeated by Romans but still surviving in far away regions, La Tène culture in the Iron Age and until the late Bronze age, Celtic languages remain widely spoken in areas of France, Ireland, Scotland there are similar patterns in music, the art, craft and designs Archaeology, similar writing, part of Celt culture seems to blend with Christian culture and become Insular art, also known as Hiberno-Saxon art, Lindisfarne Gospels show some of this art and perhaps influence can be seen in Carolingian manuscripts which also blend style of Rome and Byzantine.
The spread of culture and religion and custom changes a region. In Eastern Europe there was a Teutonic Knight Deutscher Order fighting the Pagans until the witches and people who followed folklore would yield and finally listen to 'God' or maybe they just wanted to build a fort some claim a guy defend his princedom against attacks of pagan Prussians. Peace of Thorn was signed on 1st of February 1411 the Knights ceded the Dobrin Land to Poland. There was a Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War but even if the Knights lost they would often retain territory and leave behind huge wonders, Castles that functioned as both Church and Fortress. There is a different spread of customs on the West of Europe Celts and Welsh culture has a different story, he was a Slave got his freedom and came back a Missionary to convert people to Christianity. 'Latin' was probably the internet language of its time, spreading the Rome approved Bible to far off regions removes the need for specialized linguists and translators allows distant kingdoms to quickly communicate with each other in a common written tongue.
Purchased by Celts as a Welsh slave, he lived and worked an isolated existence as a shepherd. St Patrick and Halloween, the Gaelic festival Samhain, which are believed to have pagan roots. St Patrick falls very close to the March Equinox is an annual celebration that occurs on March 20, the Autumn or Fall Equinox '22nd of September' but Halloween could have marked the end of harvest or a festival for the dead in the afterlife, the original Halloween stretches back to Dark Ages old Celt art and writing and possibly into prehistory. Imbolc celebrated spring, Ostara, from the Saxon goddess and the British have a lot of ancient Saxon culture that often unrecorded, people today sometimes associate these festivals with Druids, Shamanism or Stonehenge and ‘New Age’ hippie movements.
This 2012 article asks
'Was St. Patrick a slave-trading Roman official who fled to Ireland?'
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-st-patric … -fled.html
Broadcast 3030 Hotel Mars with Richard Easton
https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/06-de … ard-easton
Vanguard Satellite, 1958 | NASA
https://www.nasa.gov/content/vanguard-satellite-1958
Mar 17, 2015 · Vanguard 1, the world’s first solar-powered satellite, launched on St. Patrick’s Day (March 17) 1958.
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This is interesting. Who exactly will you be thanking? And for what? The only things living on Mars are microbes, if that. And I doubt they will greet you with a warm welcome, food and hospitality. About the most you can expect from them is diarrhea.
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."
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If the United States of America and NASA build the only towns and cities on Mars and only Americans settle Mars then its culture will be very similar but I think if it is something different for example a MegaCorp with 'Cyborgs' or its Hindu Desi Indian, Europeans, Spanish, Chinese speakers then I'm not sure they would honor the same traditions, a 'Christmas' might exist due to Western culture but I am not sure about the rest of the culture, language and traditions.Where American's go some of the USA's culture will often follow. Yet other people have other events and history and cultural identity to mark with their own unique celebration.
Do the South Koreans in their South Pole base inside Antarctica mark a celebration of Thanksgiving for example.
Mars might eventually have tradition totally different to Earth.
Back on Earth in the USA
'Thousands gather for Midland Fourth of July Celebration, despite downpour'
https://www.ourmidland.com/news/article … 184760.php
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Thanksgiving traced to the Pilgrims and Puritans who emigrated from England in the 1620s and 1630s, a tribe of Native Americans who, had helped them get through the previous winter by giving them food in that time of scarcity in exchange for alliance. They brought their previous tradition of Days of Fastin. Perhaps also a big celebration in Saint Lucia moving between British and French rule part of British West Indies, Grenada with British colonial period, Liberia the Legislature of Liberia enacted a statute declaring it a national holiday, the Dutch once had part of Brazil and NYC, Thanksgiving is observed by orthodox Protestant churches in the Netherlands, celebrated by the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Brazil which is of American origin,the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church, the Church of the and by evangelical churches such as the Foursquare Gospel Church in Brazil.
There is no sure date, 2nd Monday in October in Canada, 1st Thursday in November Liberia, 4th Thursday in November in U.S. and Brazil, the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia accepted the territory by the Norfolk Island subject to British agreement, Norfolk Island once a penal settlement in Australia thinks it must be a Wednesday instead.
Canada’s Trudeau warns chains might make statements about food prices
the Annual national holiday in the United States and Canada now a horror movie?
Thanksgiving: release date, teaser and everything we know about the Eli Roth horror movie
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tha … 03804.html
Fall's almost here! Thanksgiving, end of daylight saving time, more dates to bookmark for 2023
https://abc13.com/first-day-of-fall-202 … /12251060/
Top Washington Post columnist calls for Biden to drop out of 2024 race
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … -drop-2024
What if Mexico still considers Hispanic culture of Mexico a territory that Includes California and Texas? Alta California, Texas, Nuevo México??
Other cultures looking to Mars?
Mid-Autumn Festival: Why Is It So Important to the Chinese People?
https://sea.mashable.com/life/26844/mid … ese-people
Hindus head to Vedic Society Hindu Temple for winter festival
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/117198 … -festival/
Rath Yatra: Hindu festival celebrated in India and UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/65973944
10 of the Most Famous and Popular Festivals (Matsuri) in Japan
https://www.tsunagujapan.com/10-popular … festivals/
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The Pagan Festival that became a Christian Holiday or Saints Day and then arrives in America by Celt cultures.
20 Spooky Halloween Stories That Will Keep You Up at Night
https://www.rd.com/list/scary-halloween-true-events/
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Fun time on Mid Autumn Festive of Shenzhou 16 astronauts at Tiangong Space Station (CSS)
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KFC for Christmas: Why is this trend big in Japan and how did it start?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/kfc … /lailxix0s
KFC launched its first 'Colonel for Christmas' ad campaign in 1974 and ran similar ads in subsequent years
12 of the most unusual Christmas traditions around the world
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/in … 63258.html
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Christmas tree collection, holiday recycling underway
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023/12 … -underway/
NASA Astronauts Test Out Moon Elevator for 2025 Landing Mission
https://gizmodo.com/nasa-astronauts-tes … 1851124048
Hindus
What is Tulsi Pujan Diwas? Significance, mythology, and all about the Hindu festival
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/eti … 266529.cms
Tulsi Pujan Diwas, also known as Tulsi Vivah, is a significant Hindu festival that celebrates the sacred Tulsi plant
Some people who pray to a 'Snake'
Indian snake charmers celebrate 'Nag Panchami' festival
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIfZ5Kz91eQ
The other culture from the East
Chinese New Year begins on the new moon that appears between 21st day of January and 20th day of February. The Korean Seollal in North and South generally occurs in January or February on the second new moon after the winter solstice, unless there is an intercalary "leap day" eleventh or twelfth month in the lead-up to the New Year. In such a case, the New Year falls on the third new moon after the solstice. During Occupation the Japanese rulers had forced a ban of celebrations on the Koreans.
Korean Childrens Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9X0ZW68qUw
Space Epoch has secured a new $28.2m (200m yuan) funding round, aims for a splashdown recovery test in 2024 as part of development of the XZY-1 stainless steel, reusable methane-liquid oxygen launcher.
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1739969857888965019
Xenon and Krypton
LANDSPACE's HongQing completed China's first in-orbit firing of a Krypton thruster on HongHu-2 satellite launched by Zhuque-2
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/statu … 6533787690
iSpace / Interstellar Glory's JD-2 engine, delivering 100 tons of sea-level thrust, passed tests for variable thrust and re-ignition. This low-cost, high-performance LOX/methane engine will be used for its Hyperbola-3 rocket.
https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 3460195529
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LunarNewYear wishes delivered on time by the Shenzhou-17 crew
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SpaceX eyes new launch site for Mars-bound Starship rocket
https://www.aol.com/news/spacex-eyes-la … 57016.html
Immigration of Brazilian Japanese in past times and Japanese Peruvians
From 1921 to 1929 the Social Affairs Bureau, Department of the Interior, encouraged emigration to Brazil, during the same period that social work in Japan expanded. This paper concerns the policy of encouraging emigration as a relief measure for unemployment after World War I. In this study I examine governmental assistance to the 'Kaigai Kogyo' (International Development Co., Ltd.' Emigration Consulting Company) during the early stage of this period, the first half of the 1920s. During this time, the Japanese government offered assistance to the Kaigai Kogyo in order to educate people who were interested in emigration, which also created the opportunity for cooperation with the employment services office. The emigration encouragement policy of the Social Affairs Bureau expanded gradually, and included such activities as financial assistance to the Kaigai Kogyo, offering compensation for the commission of each emigrant, and the provision of fare.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/re … e/-char/en
In 1924, after forming such measures, the emigration policy functioned to some extent to deal with unemployment and overpopulation problems, and the desire to emigrate greatly increased. This trend, however, was created by the activities of the Bureau of Social Affairs and Kaigai Kogyo, rather than by a feeling that arose from the economic desire of emigrants. Thereafter, the provision of the cost of travel fare by the Japanese government and other such measures became the foundation of a national emigration policy.
At the US Border today the world arrives, people from El Salvador, Guatemala, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, China, Afghanistan, Iraq, Colombia, Libya, India, Kenya, Haiti, Pakistan, Honduras, Ecuador, Venezuela, Oceania. The non-Mexican unaccompanied minors apprehended at the border are transferred to shelters overseen by the government, Biden has also tried to end several key Trump-era policies.
Border patrol officials have encountered Mexicans 196.000 times some might be drug and gun traffickers or human smuggling gangs, authorities have also located nearly 45,000 Cubans fleeing hunger and economic turmoil.
Canada holds 'workshops' for Indian officials on rule of law amid Trudeau, Modi spat
https://www.thespec.com/news/canada/can … 2502b.html
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Humans if they build towns and cities on Mars will perhaps celebrate the customs, art and religion festivals and cultural uniqueness from their home nation, if for example a town made by French it might have some of the street Arts in France or its 'Théâtre' if it were Japanese then perhaps Japan festival and custom but Mars could have its own very unique celebrations unconnected to Earth events.
New Years is probably the largest most widespread celebration
Western Anglo American Christian culture has spread 'Santa' the iconic Cocal Cola image of Santa Calus featured on commercial soft drink bottles commercially sold is based on folklore traditions surrounding Saint Nicholas, the English figure of Father Christmas, the German Belsnickel and the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas, however the real guy Santa Claus is based on was an Orthodox, dates have been in the spotlight with Ukraine changing dates of celebrations after Russia's invasion, Orthodox Christians usually celebrated it on the 7th day of January but there is now a massive rift between some Eastern Churches, the Western Christian churches celebrate the 'Birth of Jesus' on in the month of December on the 25th Day.
Labor Day/Labour Dayis celebrated on the first Monday of September (US/Canada)
With Lunar New Year typically prompts the world’s largest annual migration. With Asian immigration to the West it is now observed by billions of people world wide, the festival also known as Chinese New Year.
The immigration from Ireland Celt cultures brought Halloween and Saint Patricks Day.
Celebrations from Indian culture are arriving in the West from the new arrival of Sikh Hindu immigration and before this arrivals of Jewish and Arab cultures.
May Day was a pagan celebration the 1st May – a traditional spring holiday in many cultures but it got hijacked or borrowed by Soviet USSR culture/authority for a time.
There have been other old culture revival celebrations from old Paganism events.
South and Southeast Asian celebrate an old event called Traditional New Year on the 14th April the old Date is reckoned based on sun's entry into the constellation Aries
Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice celebration on or about 21st day of December
and unofficial prank or joke celebrations like April Fools' Day the 1st day of April
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a growth of Paganism on Mars?
Pagan Roots, Christian Branches: The Easter Paradox
https://www.asurampage.com/features/pag … 3b444.html
Sacred hares, banished winter witches and pagan worship – the roots of Easter Bunny traditions are ancient
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sacred-hares … 22492.html
On Easter Sunday, children look for hidden special treats
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April fool at ESA letter
https://neo.ssa.esa.int/documents/d/gue … april-2024
basic unit would be the 'giraffe'
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