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Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 12:52:44

What does this chart show you?
http://dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploa … IGHRES.jpg
Why it shows Defense spending reaching a peak in 2008, the last year of the Bush Administration and then dropping after that. Didn't think I'd pull a chart on you, did you!

I could understand you don't like Hillary. When Bill Clinton was president, I thought Hillary would make a better president. However, both Clintons had deliberately tried to re-start the cold war by trying to convince Russia's allies to abandon Russia. They stirred up trouble but cutting Russia's economy by cutting off their trading partners. And she actually proposed a "no-fly zone" over Syria. That would have meant American fighter jets shooting down Russian fighter jets, owned by the Russian air force and operated by Russian pilots. That could easily have escalated to WW3!

Not really, Russian and US airplanes might shoot each other down, but I doubt Russia would risk the destruction of its cities over Syria. Russia would only react with a nuclear attack if the US were to invade Russia, and Syria is not Russia! The thing to remember is that if Russia gets destroyed, then Putin loses power, and Putin does not want that! I don't think the US would start a nuclear war over Syria either. Russia has not announced that it was extending its nuclear shield over Syria, and I would not see the value in doing that. Russia is playing for points, it don't want to risk its existence over this!

Tom, the civil war was over a century ago. Wikipedia says it ended 1865. Get over it! It's long overdue to end tensions between blacks and whites. And Obama signed a presidential decree to entirely close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Good! Unfortunately some Republican judge overruled him.

There are people called race hustlers, they stay in business by aggravating racial tensions and Obama is one of those, he likes to handcuff police and take the side of rioters, and criminals who get in a fire fight with police. For instance if a black thug pulls a knife on a cop and the cop shoots him, then that is self-defense. If a black thug charges a cop, trying to grab his gun, and the cop shoots him, that is self-defense, Obama calls it racism. I have a real problem if Obama expects me to live in dangerous crime ridden neighborhoods as the price for living in the same country with black people. Obama thinks e need to tolerate high crime, and he wants to legalize dangerous drugs that blacks are fond of using, such as crack cocaine, because he thinks it is racism to blacks to be arrested for using those drugs, as it I assumed they can't help themselves, they are "only black" after all!

If racism gets solved, then the race hustlers, who make a living from it, are out of business! They don't want to go out of business, so they keep on reminding people that whites are racist, and all the terrible things about slavery, and they try to get blacks angry about that so they support the race hustlers, it is a vicious cycle.

Obama eviscerated the Defence Budget? Bull shit! The military and national security budget in year 2000 was $288 billion. That includes DoD and nuclear weapons, which is part of the Department of Energy. George W. ballooned it up to $799 billion for 2009. The budget was 2009 was passed in 2008, so the last budget approved by Dubya. However, Obama's first budget was for 2010, military and national security was $901 billion! What! That's backwards! We expected Obama to cut military spending, end the war in Iraq in his first 100 days, and end the war in Afghanistan before the Congressional mid-term elections of 2010. He failed.

He couldn't end the war in 100 days because he couldn't or wouldn't win the war in 100 days. The only way to end the war is by winning it, you forget we didn't start this war, the terrorists did, and so long as they keep thinking they can win, they will keep on fighting and attacking. If we want to end this war, we need to destroy them! Obama just doesn't get that, he thinks we can turn our back on them and they will disappear.

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RobertDyck · 2017-01-31 13:07:18

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

He couldn't end the war in 100 days because he couldn't or wouldn't win the war in 100 days. The only way to end the war is by winning it, you forget we didn't start this war, the terrorists did, and so long as they keep thinking they can win, they will keep on fighting and attacking.

You can't "win". There's no way to "win". When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, president George H. W. Bush gave general Normal Schwarzkopf orders to have a clear object and a clear exit strategy before he went in. He did. He kicked but, cleaned up, when home. In 1991! Unfortunately some Yahoo in Washington decided to establish "no-fly zones" over Iraq. That perpetuated the war by interfering in internal domestic affairs. Although Obama announced the pull-out of Iraq, he left 200 troops. Now with ISIS the US is back. So the US never has left Iraq. When you interfere in internal domestic affairs of another country, you always lose. Domestic politicians will always hold outsiders as the evil enemy to blame for all their wows. You can't win, just leave.

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

If racism gets solved, then the race hustlers, who make a living from it, are out of business! They don't want to go out of business, so they keep on reminding people that whites are racist, and all the terrible things about slavery, and they try to get blacks angry about that so they support the race hustlers, it is a vicious cycle.

That is true, so why are you a "race hustler"?

RobertDyck · 2017-01-31 13:12:02

Your graph is adjusted for 2015 dollars. The figure I quoted for year 2000 is not adjusted for anything, it's in real dollars of the day. Year 2000 is the last year the American federal government had a balanced budget, so every part of the budget has to be compared to that year. If you take the military and national security budget from year 2000, adjust to today's dollars, that works out to $398 billion. Notice the point where the green line on your graph dips just a pixel below the $400 billion line. To ensure America doesn't go broke, the budget military and national security budget must be cut down to that point again, and left there.

Have an appointment. Will debate later.

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Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 13:44:17

RobertDyck wrote:

Tom Kalbfus wrote:
He couldn't end the war in 100 days because he couldn't or wouldn't win the war in 100 days. The only way to end the war is by winning it, you forget we didn't start this war, the terrorists did, and so long as they keep thinking they can win, they will keep on fighting and attacking.
You can't "win". There's no way to "win".

If we can't win, we can't end the War, they will simply keep on attacking! What do you suggest we do about that? Shrug it off, so they kill a few hundred Americans and then a few hundred more, should we just accept that our lives are going to be a little shorter because of them and do nothing about it?

When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, president George H. W. Bush gave general Normal Schwarzkopf orders to have a clear object and a clear exit strategy before he went in. He did. He kicked but, cleaned up, when home.

But you see, he didn't finish off the Enemy, and the Enemy was Saddam Hussein. We finished of Hitler and the Nazis, we didn't simply just kick them out of France and then turn around and go home. In order to win a war, we need to totally defeat the enemy, the enemy needs to be destroyed so he will not attack again!

In 1991! Unfortunately some Yahoo in Washington decided to establish "no-fly zones" over Iraq.

That is pathetic, if we have won the War and finished off the enemy like we did the Nazis and the Japanese, there would be no need for no fly zones. You see George Bush's problem is that he was too kind to the Enemy, gave him too many breaks, he allowed them to survive and have a country to rule at the end of the War, and they started the War! That is something you just don't do! If it weren't for Saddam Hussein, there would have been no Persian Gulf War, the only way to prevent the war from restarting was to remove him from power if not actually kill him! The Persian Gulf War was not a misunderstanding between two countries, it was started by him, he was the problem we needed to get rid of in order to end the war permanently, and George H. W. Bush did not do that. It is fortunate that someone like him was not President during World War II!

That perpetuated the war by interfering in internal domestic affairs. Although Obama announced the pull-out of Iraq, he left 200 troops. Now with ISIS the US is back. So the US never has left Iraq. When you interfere in internal domestic affairs of another country, you always lose. Domestic politicians will always hold outsiders as the evil enemy to blame for all their wows. You can't win, just leave.

We can't leave the planet! What planet do you suggest the United States go to in order to leave. The enemy just keeps on attacking because he thinks he is on a mission from God to conquer the World for Islam. We can't leave an Enemy bent on World Conquest, we need to destroy him!

Tom Kalbfus wrote:
If racism gets solved, then the race hustlers, who make a living from it, are out of business! They don't want to go out of business, so they keep on reminding people that whites are racist, and all the terrible things about slavery, and they try to get blacks angry about that so they support the race hustlers, it is a vicious cycle.
That is true, so why are you a "race hustler"?

And why do you say that? Because I like law and order? I guess not wanting to be robbed, mugged, or murdered makes one a racist, cause I just won't tolerate crime or accept it. If living with blacks means living with crime and violence, then I don't want it. Are you saying that is what is required? Are they hard wired for crime? If you suggest that police doing their job is racist, then that is what you are suggesting. I've seen too many race riots, where some blacks don't like some outcome in a court case and they burn down a neighborhood, this is not acceptable behavior! Are you suggesting that I live with that 152 years after the end of slavery in this country?

RobertDyck · 2017-01-31 15:04:03

Tom, you just don't learn. Saddam Hussein was created by the CIA. He was a teenage nobody before the CIA decided to help him, train him, provide weapons. He's America's guy. He overthrew Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr. That previous president was for Iraq, not a vassal of the US. The CIA thought they could control Saddam Hussein. They were wrong. Osama bin Laden was a leader within the Mujahadeen; he was also trained and supplied by the CIA to fight against Russians occupying Afghanistan. Again the CIA thought they could control him; again they were wrong. Every time the US uses military force to intervene in the internal affairs of another country, they fail. And more military force just makes it worse.

And rather than obsess by the 3,000+ American soldiers who died fighting in Iraq, try caring about the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed.

And get real Tom. "Go home" means pull all American military troops out of Middle Eastern countries. Go back the continental US.

SpaceNut · 2017-01-31 18:44:11

Tom "When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, president George H. W. Bush " at the request of the Kuwait government as we do not take over nations, we were asked to take there land back from Saddam and nothing more for there govenment....It was Bush Jr. that continued the war with Saddam under the vail of Chemical weapons of mass destruction after 9/11...as well as with Afganistan....

When you generalize a populous like you are by color, race, nationality, religion you are profiling them as if they are all that way and you know that its not true just look at your own family heritage....as I know that all Russian are not bad first hand as I have work along side of them in several companies....This also holds for other nationals from Spain, Scotland, Egypt, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam... do you get the picture....

SpaceNut · 2017-01-31 20:16:00

Hundreds of American diplomats defied a White House warning on Tuesday, sending a memo to the State Department's leadership that criticizes President Donald Trump's temporary travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries. It is believed to be one of the most popularly supported statements of dissent in the department's history. Washington, Massachusetts, Virginia and New York are becoming the first states to sue the Trump administration with filings announced this week over the executive order restricting refugees and immigration. They likely won't be standing alone for long. Since Donald Trump was elected president, Democratic state attorneys general have been forming a coordinated wall of legal resistance over immigration, environmental protections, health care, and other major issues. Dump trucks and heavy machinery rolled into the protest camp near the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline on Monday, and crews began filling large dumpsters with garbage that has accumulated, much of it now buried under snow. Those involved said it was not an effort to destroy the camp, which sits on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers land, but a move to prevent waste contaminating water sources. The clean-up marked cooperation among authorities and camp organizers. The decision to clean the site, where a few hundred protesters remain, was made on Sunday by state and local officials and members of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe. “It is paramount for public safety, and to prevent an environmental disaster, that the camps be cleared prior to a potential spring flood.”

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 20:44:44

RobertDyck wrote:

Tom, you just don't learn. Saddam Hussein was created by the CIA. He was a teenage nobody before the CIA decided to help him, train him, provide weapons. He's America's guy. He overthrew Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr. That previous president was for Iraq, not a vassal of the US. The CIA thought they could control Saddam Hussein. They were wrong. Osama bin Laden was a leader within the Mujahadeen; he was also trained and supplied by the CIA to fight against Russians occupying Afghanistan. Again the CIA thought they could control him; again they were wrong. Every time the US uses military force to intervene in the internal affairs of another country, they fail. And more military force just makes it worse.
And rather than obsess by the 3,000+ American soldiers who died fighting in Iraq, try caring about the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed.
And get real Tom. "Go home" means pull all American military troops out of Middle Eastern countries. Go back the continental US.

And they get to attack us in our home country! Do you know what's in Iraq now? ISIS, there objective is to kill Americans if we don't convert to their form of Islam! How exactly do we "go home" from a global war waged against us? Why should I care about 100,000+ Iraqi civilians if they are trying to kill Americans? If they are paying taxes to ISIS, then that money is going towards killing Americans, if they put on a uniform and fight for ISIS, then they are trying to kill Americans. Isolationism only works if there is some place we can withdraw to, but there is not! The War ISIS is fighting is not a regional one but a global one, and we're part of that globe. The advice your giving us about foreign policy does not work because 314 million Americans can't fly off to Mars! That is not practical nor possible for the foreseeable future, and even if we could be chased off the planet, ISIS would probably come after us still even then! So running away with our tails tucked between our legs I not going to work, so the question is what will. Trying to assign blame to the United States of American for supposedly causing our own problem with Islamic terrorism doesn't point to a solution to our problems. The CIA didn't invent Islam by the way, if we did invent a religion I don't think it would be Islam. The only way to stop this global war is to destroy the enemy, that is those who wage this war against us. These people will not compromise, and what they ask of us is not reasonable. Are you a Muslim Robert? Are you prepared to meet ISIS's conditions for peace with us, that means you convert to their definition of Islam, you grow a beard, and remember to pray five times a day while facing in the direction of Mecca, and by the way eat no pork and shave your arm pits! Are you willing to do all that for peace? If the Islamacists weren't so full of themselves, then maybe this war could have a negotitated end, but unfortunately they are.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 20:53:57

SpaceNut wrote:

Tom "When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, president George H. W. Bush " at the request of the Kuwait government as we do not take over nations, we were asked to take there land back from Saddam and nothing more for there govenment....It was Bush Jr. that continued the war with Saddam under the vail of Chemical weapons of mass destruction after 9/11...as well as with Afganistan....
When you generalize a populous like you are by color, race, nationality, religion you are profiling them as if they are all that way and you know that its not true just look at your own family heritage....as I know that all Russian are not bad first hand as I have work along side of them in several companies....This also holds for other nationals from Spain, Scotland, Egypt, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam... do you get the picture....

Reciting a history, of how supposedly George W. Bush is responsible, doesn't point to a solution, even if I were to agree with you about that, this still doesn't solve our current problem with ISIS and Al Qaeda. Saying Americans deserve to die because of what they did in the past does not solve our problem. Convincing Americans that their ancestors were bad for enslaving blacks and killing Indians still is not going to convince most of us that we should just lay down and die. If Arabs are screaming for revenge against American for supposedly what we had done, they are still a problem for us to deal with. You haven't mentions a solution that would end this war, and if we stop fighting and they keep on killing us, then this war hasn't ended! Barack Obama would loved to have ended this war, but unfortunately the Enemy is not cooperating. Obama has even gone to lengths to avoid calling it Islamic terrorism and he's gone as far as calling domestic terrorist attacks "workplace violence" but this has not worked. The Terrorists have kept the war against us alive throughout all 8 years of Obama's Presidency, and now those 8 years are up, and now its time we fight back and destroy them, because they have asked for this!

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 20:56:31

SpaceNut wrote:

Hundreds of American diplomats defied a White House warning on Tuesday, sending a memo to the State Department's leadership that criticizes President Donald Trump's temporary travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries. It is believed to be one of the most popularly supported statements of dissent in the department's history. Washington, Massachusetts, Virginia and New York are becoming the first states to sue the Trump administration with filings announced this week over the executive order restricting refugees and immigration. They likely won't be standing alone for long. Since Donald Trump was elected president, Democratic state attorneys general have been forming a coordinated wall of legal resistance over immigration, environmental protections, health care, and other major issues. Dump trucks and heavy machinery rolled into the protest camp near the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline on Monday, and crews began filling large dumpsters with garbage that has accumulated, much of it now buried under snow. Those involved said it was not an effort to destroy the camp, which sits on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers land, but a move to prevent waste contaminating water sources. The clean-up marked cooperation among authorities and camp organizers. The decision to clean the site, where a few hundred protesters remain, was made on Sunday by state and local officials and members of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe. “It is paramount for public safety, and to prevent an environmental disaster, that the camps be cleared prior to a potential spring flood.”

Obama Diplomats that have handed us a New Cold War with Russia and a continuation of the Jihad against the West that they have not solved! What they have tried as not worked, so why shouldn't they let Donald Trump try something else?

RobertDyck · 2017-02-01 12:28:39

George W. Bush invaded Iraq after 9/11. That was stupid, Iraq wasn't involved. Al Qaeda did 9/11, and they were in Afghanistan. The Taliban offered to hand over Osama bin Laden, their only condition was evidence he was guilty. Any western country including Canada would demand evidence before handing over a resident for a capital offence. George W. should have first extracted any agent that would be compromised by the evidence, then hand over the evidence. If the Taliban still refused, then invade. But only invade Afghanistan. However, considering how fickle those in the Arab world are, I doubt the Taliban would have further risked invasion; they would most likely have handed over Osama bin Laden.

It started with screw-ups by Bill Clinton. When he didn't get permission to arrest Osama bin Laden, he sent a B52 bomber to carpet bomb their camp. So al Qaeda moved to a cave, where air-dropped bombs cannot reach them. So Bill Clinton sent a cruise missile into their cave. Each time the attack on al Qaeda was not authorized by the government of Afghanistan. Each time those killed became martyrs. Each time the number of new recruits exceeded those killed. It started with just regional trouble created by al Qaeda, grew to attacks on US embassies... *after* the B52 carpet bombed their camp. That grew to attack the USS Cole *after* the cruise missile attack on their cave. Bill Clinton just kept escalated, but al Qaeda just escalated too. It became obvious they would have to counter-attack the US on American soil. They attempted a truck bombing of the World Trade Center. After that many people, including myself, believed al Qaeda would try again. One senior investigator at the FBI also believed al Qaeda would try again, proceeded with investigation of them and was in regular contact with Condoleezza Rice. But this paragraph was supposed to point out how Bill Clinton took a regional annoyance and turned it into a major threat.

America should have stayed out of the war in Syria. That was a proxy war between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. America stopped buying Middle East oil, so these two countries started viciously competing for remaining market. But America has an alliance with Saudi Arabia, so Barack Obama allowed America to get dragged in. The US provided weapons to arm the rebels. Syria is a traditional ally of Russia, so Russia couldn't let that stand, they helped the Syrian military defeat the US-backed rebels. The fight dragged out because Russia couldn't let US backed rebels win, and whenever Syrian government forces started to defeat the rebels, America would provide more weapons. The Clintons attempted to undermine Russia's allies, so did Hillary have something to do with this? It dragged on so long that ISIS formed and took control of some rural areas that were not protected by either the Syrian military nor rebels. And a branch of al Qaeda itself did the same: formerly known as al-Nusra Front, now called Jabhat Fateh al-Sham. So Syria is broken into 4 chunks, each fighting the others.

So there's lots of blame to go around: George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton.

Part of the solution is to work with Russia to defeat ISIS. That starts with stop supporting the rebels. I think we can count on Trump for that. But he's demonizing Muslims, which could escalate the conflict.

SpaceNut · 2017-02-01 23:08:50

Tom will not listen and niether will Trump as he is firing anyone at the top of the agencies which do not fall in line and become yes men....He currently has 13 legal lawsuits for just the 1 imgration order....

13 Legal Actions Challenging Trump's Immigration Executive Order

Then there is his golf course that A federal judge has ordered Donald Trump Jupiter Golf Club Loses Lawsuit, Must Pay Ex-Members $5M as he breached the membership contract.

Such a good business man to not recognize the talent that he has locked out by his ban and now Apple CEO Weighs Legal Action Against Trump’s Travel Ban

Google, Amazon, Starbucks, and Facebook are just a few of the big names to have stepped forward and denounce Trump's executive order, which restricts the entry of refugees and citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries, and indefinitely bans Syrian refugees altogether.

This is a small listing compared to the table on the page with Fortune 500 companies having either publicly challenged or expressed concern over the order. This is why the American Dollar is taking a nose dive.....

This is what Tom is not seeing When Laila Alawa is harassed on Twitter, this Trump voter comes to her rescue Laila Alawa is a 25-year-old Muslim woman living in D.C. Troy Pflum is a 49-year-old Lutheran man living in Wisconsin. She's a moderate who voted for Hillary. He's a Republican who voted for Trump.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-02-01 23:28:28

RobertDyck wrote:

George W. Bush invaded Iraq after 9/11. That was stupid, Iraq wasn't involved. Al Qaeda did 9/11, and they were in Afghanistan. The Taliban offered to hand over Osama bin Laden, their only condition was evidence he was guilty. Any western country including Canada would demand evidence before handing over a resident for a capital offence. George W. should have first extracted any agent that would be compromised by the evidence, then hand over the evidence. If the Taliban still refused, then invade. But only invade Afghanistan. However, considering how fickle those in the Arab world are, I doubt the Taliban would have further risked invasion; they would most likely have handed over Osama bin Laden.

Do you think Osama Bin Laden was innocent? Well if Osama Bin Laden was innocent, then Obama sent in Seal Team Six and murdered him. Osama Bin Laden never did get a trial, but the person who was responsible for his death was Barack Obama. I think Osama Bin Laden was guilty, but the first step to putting him on trial would have been to apprehend him, instead Obama sent a Seal Team in to kill him, thus he got no trial! I suspect Obama didn't want to capture him alive, because then he would have to incarcerate him, and he was trying to empty out Guantanamo, not fill it up! But you know, this was all in the past, one could just as easily have said, "Someone should have shot Hitler during World War I. There were a lot of bullets flying at the time, so why didn't they? Are you going to blame the man who could have shot Hitler but didn't, for World War II? When we examine history, there is a lot of 20/20 hindsight. We have information that people at the time did not have. For instance, we know a lot of the life story of Adolf Hitler, with that information we could do something, if we went back in time, that other people who lived during that time could not! You think you could be a better President than George W. Bush with knowledge of the future, which he did not have? So could a lot of people.

It started with screw-ups by Bill Clinton. When he didn't get permission to arrest Osama bin Laden, he sent a B52 bomber to carpet bomb their camp. So al Qaeda moved to a cave, where air-dropped bombs cannot reach them. So Bill Clinton sent a cruise missile into their cave. Each time the attack on al Qaeda was not authorized by the government of Afghanistan. Each time those killed became martyrs.

You want to know what a martyr is, that is a martyr, not some scumbag terrorist who murders people! I think the Muslim definition of martyr is different from the Christian one.

Each time the number of new recruits exceeded those killed.

That is because we haven't killed enough! How many "new recruits" did the Japanese have after we bombed Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? The Japanese started its war with us by bombing Pearl Harbor, just as Al Qaeda did by crashing airplanes into he World Trade Center. The Japanese had a lot of suicide bombers just like Al Qaeda did, was General MacArthur and Admiral Nimitz afraid of making martyrs of the Japanese, when they bomb them? Did FDR hold them back or give them rules of engagement which was as restrictive as the ones faced by our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? You know one of the reasons I voted for Trump was that he reminded me of FDR during World War II. FDR did not hold back, he fought a total war against both the Germans and the Japanese, we need that sort of attitude if we are going to beat the terrorists!

These two presidents have a lot in common.
1. They were both rich
2. They were both from the state of New York
3. They were both wartime presidents.

It started with just regional trouble created by al Qaeda, grew to attacks on US embassies... *after* the B52 carpet bombed their camp. That grew to attack the USS Cole *after* the cruise missile attack on their cave. Bill Clinton just kept escalated, but al Qaeda just escalated too. It became obvious they would have to counter-attack the US on American soil. They attempted a truck bombing of the World Trade Center. After that many people, including myself, believed al Qaeda would try again. One senior investigator at the FBI also believed al Qaeda would try again, proceeded with investigation of them and was in regular contact with Condoleezza Rice. But this paragraph was supposed to point out how Bill Clinton took a regional annoyance and turned it into a major threat.
America should have stayed out of the war in Syria. That was a proxy war between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. America stopped buying Middle East oil, so these two countries started viciously competing for remaining market. But America has an alliance with Saudi Arabia, so Barack Obama allowed America to get dragged in. The US provided weapons to arm the rebels. Syria is a traditional ally of Russia, so Russia couldn't let that stand, they helped the Syrian military defeat the US-backed rebels. The fight dragged out because Russia couldn't let US backed rebels win, and whenever Syrian government forces started to defeat the rebels, America would provide more weapons. The Clintons attempted to undermine Russia's allies, so did Hillary have something to do with this? It dragged on so long that ISIS formed and took control of some rural areas that were not protected by either the Syrian military nor rebels. And a branch of al Qaeda itself did the same: formerly known as al-Nusra Front, now called Jabhat Fateh al-Sham. So Syria is broken into 4 chunks, each fighting the others.
So there's lots of blame to go around: George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton.
Part of the solution is to work with Russia to defeat ISIS. That starts with stop supporting the rebels. I think we can count on Trump for that. But he's demonizing Muslims, which could escalate the conflict.

RobertDyck · 2017-02-02 00:45:22

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

Do you think Osama Bin Laden was innocent?

You are a moron. You Tom. You are a moron. CIA created their own demon, and you somehow treat that as "innocent".

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

You want to know what a martyr is, that is a martyr, not some scumbag terrorist who murders people! I think the Muslim definition of martyr is different from the Christian one.

Again, you are a moron. What you think does not matter. Calling all Muslims "scumbag" means you are racist, and you are the one starting war.

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

Each time the number of new recruits exceeded those killed.
That is because we haven't killed enough!

That means ending this war starts by killing you.

Void · 2017-02-02 17:45:49

Frankly I find this topic and it's contents poisonous.
However, I am compelled to attempt to re-calibrate your thinking Robert. This fragment you offered cannot be held as true:
Quote:

Calling all Muslims "scumbag" means you are racist

Islam has the same association with so called White/Caucasian people as does Judaism, and so called Christianity.
I do recall reading that white skin came from the middle east actually. My understanding is that there are some peoples there who are still white, because they wear lots of protective clothing, and are not as subject to the sunshine's evolutionary pressures as you might expect.

So, you need a different term than racist.

Beyond that I am not likely to participate in this topic.

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SpaceNut · 2017-02-02 18:43:32

Calling all Muslims "scumbag"

actually is profiling to in this case since there is color variation it is then a cultural tag being used to cover an area's people....Tags can be of color, religion, extremist, terrorist ect.....

Terraformer · 2017-02-03 12:58:48

I have enough fun trolling the globalist's useful idiots on Facebook. I see no need to do that here.

Though I am glad that Trump won. Sure, I would have much preferred Rand Paul, but I consider Trump to be safer than Clinton would have been.

SpaceNut · 2017-02-03 17:09:08

Obama seems to have screwed up or did the UN if there are no teeth to the UN Iran nuclear deal on ballistic rocket capable launches....Is Iran Preparing for a Satellite Launch? Or did they violated a United Nations resolution as well as violated the terms of the nuclear deal of 2015.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30 … s-say.html

U.N. resolution 2231 -- put in place days after the Iran nuclear deal was signed -- calls on the Islamic Republic not to conduct such tests. However, this is at least Iran's second such test since July. The resolution bars Iran from conducting ballistic missile tests for eight years and went into effect July 20, 2015.

Was this an act of defiance to Trump’s Vows of Strict Enforcement

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-may-h … ce-launch/

Iran may have secretly tested ballistic missile tech with ‘space launch’ of rocket ostensibly designed to send satellites into orbit may have actually been cover for intercontinental missile research banned by UN.
Under the Iran nuclear deal, which was signed last year, ballistic missile tests are not outright forbidden, but they are “not consistent” with a United Nations Security Council resolution from July 2015, US State Department spokesperson John Kirby said. According to the UN decision, “Iran is called upon not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology” until October 2023.

UN Security Council to hold urgent talks on Iran missile test

Here is you chance UN to grow up and control these counties that are problem areas for the remainder of the globe....

SpaceNut · 2017-02-03 18:13:06

More proof of the same hacking group Russian Hackers Hit Norway Spy Agency

Nine personal civil-servant email accounts in Norway have been targeted by hackers in "spear-phishing" attacks believed to be associated with Russian intelligence, the Norwegian security service said Friday. It said no classified information has been taken. "The attacks had a signature that indicates those behind the hacking can be identified as APT29," Bernsen told The Associated Press. "They can be traced back to Russia."

Now for Occupy Wall street, ah Trump Signs Executive Actions Targeting Wall Street and Banking Reforms two executive actions Friday related to financial regulations that take aim at Wall Street and banking regulations.

Senate Republicans aim to gut debit-card safeguards consumer protections for prepaid debit cards before they’re enacted. The rules, aimed at providing many of the same safeguards that consumers take for granted with credit and debit cards, would require fee disclosures, fraud protections and limits on overdraft fees.

This is the swamp "David Perdue, R-Georgia, and co-sponsors Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia, Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, Tom Cotton R-Arkansas, James Lankford R-Oklahoma, Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota " that wants you to be robbed....

SpaceNut · 2017-02-03 18:41:29

Since being sworn in Jan. 20, Trump has been named in 52 federal cases in 17 different states, according to the Administrative Office of the United States Courts.

Comparatively, Barack Obama was named in three and George W. Bush and Bill Clinton were each named in four cases between Jan. 20 and Feb. 1.

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Over 100,000 Visas Have Been Revoked by Immigration Ban, Justice Dept. Reveals in a Virginia courtroom as a federal judge granted the state's motion to join a lawsuit challenging the immigration ban that caused chaos at airports over the weekend.

SpaceNut · 2017-02-03 20:05:58

Now this is the look of an Illegal that can not conform to society as Five DUIs, deported twice, but still in Colorado jail again.

Tun says he has lived illegally in the U.S. since he was 13. During his jailhouse interview, Tun said he paid “coyotes,” human smugglers, to help him sneak back into the United States after both deportations.
“One time it was easy, the other time it wasn’t,” said Tun. He said he paid the smugglers $8,000 in one case and $5,000 in the second. Asked if it was difficult to cross back into the U.S., the father of four said, “Not really.”
Tun said he was aware of President Donald Trump’s plan to build a wall along the U.S.- Mexico border, but said he did not think it would really stop the illegal border crossings. “No. You know who will benefit is the coyotes because they are going to charge more,” he said.

Terraformer · 2017-02-04 04:47:37

You know who will benefit is the coyotes because they are going to charge more,” he said.

Of course they will charge more. That's how a market responds to something *becoming more difficult*.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-02-04 09:57:36

RobertDyck wrote:

Tom Kalbfus wrote:
Do you think Osama Bin Laden was innocent?
You are a moron. You Tom. You are a moron. CIA created their own demon, and you somehow treat that as "innocent".
Tom Kalbfus wrote:
You want to know what a martyr is, that is a martyr, not some scumbag terrorist who murders people! I think the Muslim definition of martyr is different from the Christian one.
Again, you are a moron. What you think does not matter. Calling all Muslims "scumbag" means you are racist, and you are the one starting war.
Tom Kalbfus wrote:
Each time the number of new recruits exceeded those killed.
That is because we haven't killed enough!
That means ending this war starts by killing you.

You are misquoting me, I said all terrorists are scumbags! Here is the exact quote if your interested:

You want to know what a martyr is, that is a martyr, not some scumbag terrorist who murders people! I think the Muslim definition of martyr is different from the Christian one.

What I am waiting for is for Muslims to reject these terrorists than some of them call "Heroes!" I want them to take down all of their monuments to these murders in the West Bank and Gaza! I think terrorists are scumbags and if I offended any terrorists too bad. I am not saying all Muslims are scumbags unless you suggest that all Muslims support terrorists. I met some Muslims who I think do not support terrorists, but if they make excuses for terrorists and seek to justify their actions, then I consider them to be no better than the terrorists, they create the society that allow them to exist and be accepted, they give these terrorists the support network they need so they can go through with ending their lives so they can end the lives of other people! And I state again, we can only end the war by winning it, and if these fanatics don't surrender and turn themselves in, we will have to kill them. We need to let some Muslims know that they made a terrible mistake by supporting this Jihad of terrorism, this is the war I want to end. I don't see how we can end it at the negotiating table because these terrorists won't compromise, they won't accept anything less than our total surrender, and so long as they don't get that and remain alive, they will keep on attacking us.

RobertDyck · 2017-02-04 13:34:40

Hasan Piker takes down Tomi Lahren. Instead of listening to me, listen to an actual Muslim American.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-02-04 14:05:22

Muslims can do more to end the Jihad against the West, like not make it socially acceptable to advocate violence against Jews or to find excuses for it! Frankly we are fed up with Muslim violence and choose to express it in different ways, w let the Muslim community know! What is wrong with that? At least they can pass it along to their more violent brethren. I am sick and tired of some Muslim Jihadist saying "God is Great" and them blowing himself up and killing bunch of people. I am sick of it and I want them to cut it out!

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