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#576 2021-12-29 10:03:30

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Re: International Space Station (ISS / Alpha)

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/
Crew Unpacks Cargo Dragon and Starts New Space Research

The four NASA astronauts living on the orbital lab took turns on Tuesday offloading some of the 6,500 pounds of new crew supplies, station hardware, and science experiments.

Lots of unpacking for sure...good thing its weightless...

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#577 2021-12-31 18:04:40

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#578 2022-01-06 10:15:39

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Re: International Space Station (ISS / Alpha)

Rogozin says Baikonur security strengthened amid Kazakhstan protests
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Rogo … s_999.html

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#579 2022-02-20 16:56:33

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NASA Wallops has successful rocket launch with supplies headed to ISS

The mission for NASA will deliver science investigations, supplies, and equipment to the Space Station aboard Northrop Grumman’s Cygnus spacecraft. It is loaded with about 8,300 pounds of research, crew supplies and hardware.

This is the first Cygnus mission featuring enhanced capabilities to perform a re-boost to the space station’s orbit as a standard service for NASA; one re-boost is planned while Cygnus is connected to the orbiting laboratory, NASA said in a release.

Each resupply mission to the station delivers scientific investigations in the areas of biology and biotechnology, Earth, space, and physical sciences, and technology development and demonstrations.

That is a big deal as that will mean that we are not reliant for this once they leave....

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#580 2022-02-26 08:33:06

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Re: International Space Station (ISS / Alpha)

Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Strains International Space Station Partnership
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … rtnership/

Russia-Ukraine War: Biden Warns US Sanctions Will 'degrade' Russian Space Program
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new … eshow.html

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#581 2022-02-26 12:21:50

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Re: International Space Station (ISS / Alpha)

I saw that some one had said that without Russia that the ISS could land on our heads but lastly that would be and act of war for sure.

edit found it
Russia's space chief responds to new sanctions by suggesting that the ISS would no longer be prevented from crashing into the US or Europe

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#582 2022-02-27 10:22:15

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t was a while ago that Russia wanted to takes its ball and leave and its seems like that needs to be taken into account for how to salvage the remaining station elements and be able to duplicate those functions from the Russian modules that we need to keep it functioning.

Musk posted a photo of a SpaceX logo when the chief asked who will save the ISS from falling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orbital_Segment

The segment currently consists of six modules, which together essentially comprise the base configuration of the cancelled Russian space station Mir-2. The segment is controlled directly from Roskosmos's Mission Control Center in Moscow. The six modules are (in order of launch):

    Zarya (dawn)
    Zvezda (star)
    Poisk (search)
    Rassvet (sunrise, dawn)
    Nauka (science)
    Prichal (berth)


So we need to convert a starship nose into a dock able section for the store able fuels and give it a section with engines for that fuels use to replace the Zvezda as its the main propulsion.

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#583 2022-03-02 07:38:32

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Musk Says SpaceX Can Keep the ISS Flying if Russia Won't

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-say … ssia-wont/

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#584 2022-03-11 12:51:27

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The Russian Space Agency head threatened to abandon U.S. astronaut Mark Vande Hei in space
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/r … e-83362556

Russia’s War in Ukraine Threatens Joint Missions to Mars, Venus and the Moon | Interplanetary voyages are among several space science collaborations delayed or doomed by the ongoing conflict
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … -the-moon/

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#585 2022-03-12 10:19:53

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The bad part of this all is we knew many years ago that we needed to make the decision to separate the modules and make it move apart. It seems late to make this happen but its still plausible since the US modules were designed with longer life expectancy in mind from the MIR experiences.
So far Musk is all talk with nothing to show that its could be done but given the benefit of doubt as it takes 6 years typically to make it real. The target is to get something sooner as a replacement attached that can be refueled and a take fuel would seem to not only be the current used but keep the eye on the fuel depot concepts of LCh4 / lox use.

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#586 2022-03-18 07:56:05

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US Astronaut To Return From Space Station On Russian Spacecraft, NASA Confirms
https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/us-astron … a-20220316

Astronaut Mark Vande Hei breaks the record for longest NASA spaceflight
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech … -NASA.html

NASA confirms U.S. astronaut will return with cosmonauts on Russian spacecraft later this month
https://www.foxnews.com/world/nasa-conf … spacecraft

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#587 2022-03-18 09:30:19

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Re: International Space Station (ISS / Alpha)

A question:  why would we want this astronaut to return to Earth via a Russian craft,  landing in Russia where he can be held hostage?  Russia is currently a power we are waging economic war against.  Hostilities are deep and ongoing.

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"There is nothing as expensive as a dead crew,  especially one dead from a bad management decision"

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#588 2022-03-18 12:01:52

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GW,

The short answer is that we wouldn't.  I think it's prudent that American astronauts train at American facilities, ride exclusively in American-made rockets / space capsules, and stay in the American portion of the ISS.  Nobody is talking about astronauts and cosmonauts killing each other, but while this war is going on, we should separate ourselves to avoid conflict in a place where we can least afford it.

We're not simply waging an economic war against Russia, we're actively arming their current adversary, Ukraine, because the Russian military invaded Ukraine and started mass-murdering Ukrainian civilians.  That means America is already involved in a shooting war with Russia.  That is current reality, like it or not.

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#589 2022-03-18 14:09:00

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It seems to me that the vast majority of Russians are NOT interested in harming Americans.

By observation of what happened when the Cold War ended, it seems to me that the vast majority of Russians welcomed Americans and others enthusiastically.

The Soviet leadership remained in place, and gradually Putin was able to re-establish a version of the Soviet Union.

I am hoping the young people raised during the recent decades will assume control of the country.

Returning our astronaut to Earth on a Russian vehicle is a display of courage on his part, and on the part of our leadership.  How the Russians responsible for space flight handle his return will be interesting to watch.

(th)

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#590 2022-03-18 15:58:49

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tahanson43206,

How many 20-somethings are running any countries with 100 million or more people?

By my count, there are precisely zero.  The primary reason for that is that precious few of them have accomplished anything notable by that age, and the ones who have are far more interested in dealing with their own problems than someone else's problems.  Basically, they're in "acquisition mode" (education, skills, experience, relationships, money, etc), because all good governance requires experience and wisdom (someone who has minimally moved on to "application mode").

The vast overwhelming majority of 20 year olds are still living with mommy and daddy.  Many of them have been indoctrinated into believing that the government is supposed to take care of them, rather than the other way around, as our own founders intended.  The ones who are not mentally disabled through indoctrination are far too busy just making ends meet to concern themselves with running the affairs of an increasingly dysfunctional country that's been a de-facto dictatorship for more than century.

If that's what you're hoping for, then I would call it a fantasy with no connection to reality.

Returning our astronauts to Earth by way of Russia is merely hoping and praying that the Russian government honors their agreements.  If they do not, then our astronauts could become very courageous gulag dwellers until such time as Putin dies or is removed from power.  Yeah, this will be "interesting to watch" in roughly the same way that Henry Kissinger's "experiments" with toying with the Russians were "interesting to watch" for American sailors who were Kissinger's "guinea pigs" back in the 1960s.

Vhat vill happen if ve put de destroyer over dher?

Oh, de Vrussians blew it out of de vater.

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#591 2022-03-18 17:34:07

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Sometimes I wonder if people are drawn to evil, like a moth to a flame.  They know that fire is not a toy to play with, yet they toy with it anyway and are then shocked when they inevitably get burned.  We should not entrust someone who is not a rational actor to behave in a rational or civil manner.  The evidence for that would be all those dead civilians in Ukraine who have been randomly but purposefully murdered by the Russian military, or the 120+ journalists and political opponents that the Russian government has assassinated while Vladimir Putin has been in power.  At some point, you have to accept that you can't form a partnership requiring trust and cooperation with someone who continually violates that trust, whenever it's convenient for them to do so.  Trying to rationalize their behavior is an equal waste of time.  You only need to know how to respond appropriately to protect yourself from their violence.  Doing anything else is like waving a red flag in front of a bull and then expecting that the bull won't charge at you.  It's a bull.  That's what bulls do.

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#592 2022-03-18 17:53:24

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The Russians also just sent up a new crew and its all Russian onboard the Soyuz. So what is the number of partners that are non Russian at this point on the ISS?

The Detente in space has held out so far from 1975 to present....

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#593 2022-03-19 11:31:06

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Mars_B4_Moon wrote:

Amid Ukraine crisis: Russian cosmonaut team welcomed aboard ISS in yellow and blue
https://www.wionews.com/world/amid-ukra … lue-463682

Russian trio blast off for ISS in shadow of Ukraine war
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russ … r_999.html

ESA weighs options for replacing Soyuz launches
https://spacenews.com/esa-weighs-option … -launches/

ESA officials said at a briefing after the meeting that they had made no decisions on how to launch those payloads originally manifested on Soyuz. “We will look into all the options,” said Josef Aschbacher, ESA’s director general. “We need to make sure that we have a robust launcher setup that can launch our satellites.”

The first priority, he said, is to move those payloads onto the new Vega C and Ariane 6 vehicles. Vega C is scheduled to make its first flight in May while Ariane 6 is set to make its debut no earlier than the second half of this year.

Aschbacher said they won’t rush Ariane 6 to make its first flight. He declined to give a specific launch date for the first Ariane 6 launch, citing an upcoming hotfire test of the Ariane 6’s upper stage engine in Germany and tests of the vehicle at the launch site in Kourou, French Guiana. “We cannot stabilize a date until these two tests are carried out,” he said.

3 cosmonauts arrive at space station in yellow and blue
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai … 4eedcf3414

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Three Russian cosmonauts arrived at the International Space Station on Friday wearing yellow flight suits with blue accents, colors that appeared to match the Ukrainian flag. The men were the first new arrivals on the space station since the start of the Russian war in Ukraine last month.
'

Not sure how the colors will change what is happening but the trues is still moving forward in space it seems.

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#594 2022-03-19 15:30:18

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Yes interesting clothes SpaceNut

This is quite a flight suit.
https://twitter.com/JosephGruber/status … 1687108612


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Russia government denied cosmonauts board space station in Ukrainian colour?

but One of the Russian cosmonauts joked about having to pick colors?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60804949



"It became our turn to pick a colour," Mr Artemyev said when he was asked about the suits in a live-streamed press conference.

"We had accumulated a lot of yellow material so we needed to use it," he joked. "That's why we had to wear yellow."

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#595 2022-03-26 18:23:04

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SpaceX, Northrop Grumman to resupply the ISS through 20267611625b7f4904406cd71139acf6e69d

NASA awarded both SpaceX and Northrop with the resupply contracts in 2016, for services through 2024. Sierra Nevada Corporation was the third chosen supplier. CRS-2 guaranteed a minimum of six missions for each supplier, with the option for NASA to order additional missions as needed. The maximum potential value of all three contracts is $14 billion, though the end cost to NASA will depend on the number of orders, the agency said.

This order brings the total number of missions under CRS-2 to 32, with 14 missions to Northrop, 15 to SpaceX and three to Sierra.

By now, SpaceX is very familiar with these flights. The company completed 20 supply missions under a previous CRS contract, CRS-1. According to NASA’s inspector general, the total payment to SpaceX for those missions was $3.04 billion, or around $152 million per mission.

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#596 2022-04-05 04:50:17

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Canadian joins private crew bound for International Space Station

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/canadia … -1.5846452

Axiom Mission 1 (or Ax-1) is a planned SpaceX Crew Dragon mission to the International Space Station (ISS), operated by SpaceX on behalf of Axiom Space. The flight will launch no earlier than 8 April 2022 and send four people to the ISS for an eight-day stay Michael López-Alegría, a professionally trained astronaut hired by Axiom Space, Eytan Stibbe from Israel, Larry Connor from the United States and Mark Pathy from Canada.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … e-station/

It had been anticipated that a race would begin to shoot a movie in space and Hollywood's Tom Cruise and Doug Liman would be passengers for a movie project, but it was later announced they will fly on a subsequent flight

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#597 2022-04-10 04:27:15

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First private astronaut crew make history, NASA announces a 'new era'
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/85514/fi … ndex.html#

Four Private Ax-1 Astronauts Enter Space Station, Meet Expedition 67 Crew
https://scitechdaily.com/four-private-a … n-67-crew/

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#598 2022-07-03 10:42:12

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Re: International Space Station (ISS / Alpha)

Mars_B4_Moon wrote:

Some upcoming flights to ISS

Soyuz MS-22, SpaceX Crew-5, Boeing Crew Flight Test (Boe CFT), Axiom Mission 2, Soyuz MS-23, SpaceX Crew-6, Boeing Starliner-1, SpaceX Crew-7


older discussion
Artificial gravity station

https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7246

yes a module that will never fly.

peaceful coexistence onboard the ISS has continued inspite of the war.

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#599 2022-07-04 08:31:59

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#600 2022-07-06 09:30:00

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Terry W. Virts is a retired NASA astronaut, International Space Station Commander and colonel in the United States Air Force.

https://twitter.com/AstroTerry/status/1 … 0215607296

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