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#276 2008-05-27 05:51:10

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Vincent, if it all went into the "air" and settled back out again, why is it not on the lander deck?

That’s a damn good question.

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#277 2008-05-27 05:52:37

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#278 2008-05-27 06:06:14

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Were the decks covered by the stored solar panels? Is that why there's no dust. It's either that or this is all taking place in a Hollywood studio.  lol


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#279 2008-05-27 06:08:15

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

By the way reaction in UK seems to be pretty enthusiastic regarding this mission - despite the rather uninspiring scenery. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Maybe people are looking for some escape from the problems on Earth?


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#280 2008-05-27 06:12:37

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

3D near lander from Hort. Strange coloration on rock.

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2527128461_2d0836e496_o.jpg


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#281 2008-05-27 06:23:59

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Were the decks covered by the stored solar panels? Is that why there's no dust. It's either that or this is all taking place in a Hollywood studio.  lol

I (vaguely) recall the first media conference where the Lockheed Martin PM said that they were very happy (and surprised) that there was no dust on the solar panels nor the platform


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#282 2008-05-27 06:38:54

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In regards to the dust issue. I suppose that during the summer thaw the water is refroze at night and has cemented the dust to the surface. Not much dust was kicked up I guess.

That’s my best WAG.

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#283 2008-05-27 06:40:57

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

I have been researching some of the images sent back by Phoenix and have to ask the following question.

Is there a species living in the Northern Plains area the size of ants?

Take a look at the very fine detail in the high resolution image, lg_437.

Bearing in mind the above question, have a look and see if you can spot anything on the surface that is vaguely familiar. What would appear to us as being small rocks and boulders may not be rocks and boulders at all.

I watched the broadcast of the landing and waited for the first images. As I predicted in an earlier post, everything would go perfectly, and it did.

Well done to everyone involved in the Phoenix mission.

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#284 2008-05-27 07:18:56

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Crotty seems to be getting a little better. Still a little too red. You can make out a little detail. Looks like he is not trying to stuff 20 lbs of data in a 10 lb bag anymore.

It's the same algorithm I use for the raw images from MER (the calibrated galleries are a different story).  Since I'm not using any calibration yet, the output color is entirely dependent on how far the raw images have been stretched when they are packaged up for the web.

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#285 2008-05-27 07:27:14

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

It's the same algorithm I use for the raw images from MER (the calibrated galleries are a different story). Since I'm not using any calibration yet, the output color is entirely dependent on how far the raw images have been stretched when they are packaged up for the web.

Well I guess its all down hill from here. Give us that Crotty haze.

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#286 2008-05-27 07:32:32

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Well I guess its all down hill from here. Give us that Crotty haze.

Vincent

Don't shoot the messenger.  I'm not doing any hand-editting, just showing what the pictures tell us.

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#287 2008-05-27 07:38:37

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Don't shoot the messenger. I'm not doing any hand-editting, just showing what the pictures tell us.

You are telling what the image tells you. That’s cool. We have people that see ants, that’s cool to. If it is any conciliation NASA is just as bad. Enjoy your artwork.

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#288 2008-05-27 07:49:49

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

If it is any conciliation NASA is just as bad. Enjoy your artwork.
Vincent

This is what I don't get about the 'fringe'.  Back when MER landed, I started from scratch to build a pipeline to make color from calibrated images.  Guess what...they came out looking like the official releases.  Wouldn't that stand as some degree of confirmation that they had it right?  I guess there's just no  way to convince people if they're not willing to give up their preconceived notions of what it "should" look like.

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#289 2008-05-27 08:07:29

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NASA is indeed artwork. I don’t want to see what Mars, “should,” look like. Set the camera to take a picture on Earth and take it to Mars and take a picture.

You guys spend too much time on the calculator.

This image is from the NASA site. They have no idea either. You are in good company.

It is what it is.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_galler … -mars.html

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#290 2008-05-27 08:23:21

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(reminder - this topic is about the status of Phoenix - thanks)


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#291 2008-05-27 10:24:34

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

i imagine that someone has seen this picture. but just what is this in the background ? im kind of a newbie at pictures, so be patient.

[img]230093main_SS000EFF896228773_10CA8R8M1_8877_516-389.JPG

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#292 2008-05-27 10:48:58

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Heatshield/parachute? Or just a funny rock.


Rune. It would be simple to check out if this was a manned mission... sigh!


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#293 2008-05-27 11:20:37

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

i imagine that someone has seen this picture. but just what is this in the background ? im kind of a newbie at pictures, so be patient.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were the heatshield or the aeroshell. If anything upcoming orbital imagery from MRO will confirm all the local rocks and terrain.

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#294 2008-05-27 12:54:57

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230829main_lander-topviewcolor2-427.jpg
Lander imaged from MRO about 300kms overhead

Landing site weather report from today's press briefing:

Temp: High of -30°C to a low -80°C
Pressure: 8.5 millibars
Wind: 20 kms/hr from NE


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#295 2008-05-27 13:19:21

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Does anyone know the measurement per pixel of these images?

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#296 2008-05-27 13:20:21

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

Parachute and cover found in crater that looks like hills on the horizon. That means we should only see one white thingy/

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#297 2008-05-27 13:23:44

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Re: Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX)

i imagine that someone has seen this picture. but just what is this in the background ? im kind of a newbie at pictures, so be patient.

[img]230093main_SS000EFF896228773_10CA8R8M1_8877_516-389.JPG

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I noticed that.


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#298 2008-05-27 13:25:50

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At the press briefing they said it was probably a GCR hit on the cam.


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#299 2008-05-27 13:30:13

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PHX on its parachute floating high above Heimdall crater - imaged by MRO/HiRISE 25 May 2008

PHX landed about 20kms west from this crater, which is about 10kms across.


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#300 2008-05-27 14:30:35

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PHX on its parachute floating high above Heimdall crater - imaged by MRO/HiRISE 25 May 2008

PHX landed about 20kms west from this crater, which is about 10kms across.

HOLY CRAP!  :shock: Did Phoenix actually fly over Heimdall?!  Man I never thought the engineers would allow it to get even that close to a hole in a ground like THAT.  yikes

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