Challenging America's superpower status - is it possible?

Gennaro · 2004-02-06 02:20:00

Gennaro, I must say that was one of the most well thought out, objective, and accurate summations of the topic I have ever read. Or I might just be in shock to learn that someone else actually read the "table talks".

Thanks! Well I'm sure it's at least the latter.
Yes, we are probably a scarce lot and possibly a bit crazy. Guess I've always been interested in the psychology of this individual. The edition I read was entitled "Monologue im F?hrer Hauptquartier" and contained both the notes of Heinrich Heim and Henry Picker. The 1941-44 table talks are good if one is interested in finding out how his mind worked, but one should stay away from the 1945 'table talks', published by Trevor-Roper, which, true to the style, is nevertheless a post war forgery.
An interesting conclusion I reached is that the sweeping style of Adolf, autodidact, sometimes initiated and well read, sometimes blunt and unimaginative, often makes him come out as a typically opiniated Viennese caf? intellectual, opera-crazed and all.

Haven't read the so-called "Second Book", but I'll get around to it.

Doh! My plan to usurp Olympus Mons is foiled! The Martian Colonial Authority cedes it back, as soon as we defeat Emperor Scott and his claim to the whole planet.

Hm, the trumvirs against emperor Scott! This factional struggle starts to look almost like the late republic. What a mess!

Yang Liwei Rocket · 2005-06-24 06:56:14

No American worth its salt would tolerate a 'killing-machine'
as a leader.
just my 2 Eurocents.

Thanks for saying that... I would have to think that it'd be next to impossible for a Hitler-esque dictator to sieze control of this nation as well, but it was nice to hear this from a bona-fide European.
*Yes, but keep in mind that the U.S. in the 1930s has been compared to "an adolescent just starting to flex its muscles a bit." We weren't that great of a power or threat to Hitler; we gained momentum in the 1940s, but we definitely needed the alliance with Russia and the Brits.
However, Japan and the Pacific fights were a different matter (IMO); I think it was Pearl Harbor and all that which really "awoke a sleeping giant" (quoting either the Japanese emperor or the admiral who led the attack on Pearl Harbor...I can't remember which).
Yes, I agree with you on that one. America in the 1930's was a very isolationist, provincial nation, and the last thing the Americans wanted was an expensive war coming on the heels of a decade-long economic depression. But when American soil was attacked without provocation...the U.S. went from almost zero to spending 40% of its GDP on the war effort in the space of three short years. When Americans realized that their country was no longer safe from hostile nations, we quickly learned how to be a "Can Do" nation, and we kicked not one, but two military superpowers in the butt...lol.
But the U.S. certainly had a lot going for it...good leadership, a huge pool of resources and people to draw upon, plus we had the advantage of using England as a giant aircraft carrier to bring Hilter to his eventual defeat....good thing the Brits were able to hold off Hitler's attempts to take them over, huh?
This brings to mind a speech given by two individuals who came to my college...one of them was a Holocaust survivor, and the other was a former Nazi youth leader...and I remember what they both said *quite* clearly. When the former Nazi got to the part in which he went face-to-face with Hitler, and was told that Germany was going to conquer the United States, I quickly developed this vision of a huge military invasion by the Germans on the East Coast, the surf turning crimson as millions of American citizens pushed them back into the ocean with their hunting rifles and handguns. As I said repeatedly back then, I say that was not a battle the Germans (or the Russians, etc...ever see "Red Dawn", anyone...hehe.) could have won. No way, Jose....lol...
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USA already gave F14 Tomcats to Iran, the US sold missile to Venezuela but now Chavez doesn't like Bush.

China wanted to get some EU technology and European military equipment

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The USA will perhaps soon enough start building Nuke reactors in China for the Chinese electricity demands. French and Germans were thinking about going to sell some high-tech designs to China, but the EU issue of human rights came up

Palomar · 2005-06-24 07:04:09

*How very interesting that this thread should come up again...and now.

Considering a certain other discussion.

And I have since heard of that "second book"; a TV documentary since then.

Interesting to scroll over an old conversation.

--Cindy

Fledi · 2005-06-24 17:00:11

Well I might add the personal perspective of my grandparents' experience of ww2. They were all living in Hungary at the time though, but both my grandfathers have fought at the eastern front.
Unfortunately one of them died when I was very young and I don't see the other one very often, since he's living in a different country.
But when I asked the latter one he would tell me some stories about some pretty fanatic fighting that resembled that Spielberg movie about D-Day, but nothing about concentration camps or the like. I don't know what he knew about those things going on at that time, but I can't believe he would have gone with that if he knew.
What my grandma, who is living nearby, sometimes tells about is her time in the gulag after the war was lost, where she met my grandpa.
Whatever those where some terrible times for everyone and we should all watch closely that such things don't happen again.

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