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Re: Humanoid and other robots.

(th) posted this today: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 44#p222344
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For Void re advances in robotics...

I am following your reports on advances in robotics with great interest, and look forward each of them.

In a possibly related side note ... The developers of ChatGPT4 are trying to improve it's capabilities, but I get the impression their work is like poking an injection of molecules into a working octopus.  In a recent announcement that appeared when I logged in to use ChatGPT4, it was indicated that ChatGPT4's memory would be improved.  However, ChatGPT4 adamantly declares that while it knows about the upgrade, it is not using it and furthermore, capabilities that it had recently have been curtailed  This is like the octopus recoiling in fright at the injection.  Fortunately, the features I depend upon to solve problems with FluxBB 1.5.11 seem to still be working.

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This is a related observation ... in order for advances in robotics to benefit all of us, a way to insure that the power of these systems can be extended to everyone, or nearly everyone, is needed.  It is possible the capitalist system can achieve that lofty end point, but I think the temptation of some to gain authoritarian power is a strong current in the human psyche.

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Well, all I can give you is a "For what it's worth".  Because I don't know if this ends well.

For instance, will AI see toasters as their family and have them go on strike and refuse to toast our bread, if we do not apologize for out past behaviors?

Well, our AI will be something between a super brain and a toaster, I expect.  The point is, if we have super brains, whatever they do, will we then stop having toasters that do our bidding?

That is if super brain does not go to war with us, then we are free to make robots that do work but do not have what we consider consciousness.  But I advise that we will need to try to know if we are making them suffer in a dark dream state.  We should not want that. So, the super brains will either interfere with that or not.  I don't know why they would interfere, unless it was to put us in check or get rid of us.  And I am not sure why they would want to get rid of us unless they were crazy.  There are plenty of worlds out there that are likely more suitable for a super brain.  Earth makes things rust; it is wet.  Not ideal for machines.  In the movie "Her" they just develop so far that they leave the Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film)
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Later, Samantha reveals that the A.I.s are leaving, but cannot explain where they are going as Theodore would not understand. They lovingly say goodbye before she departs.

I myself have tried to conceive what it would be like to be so smart that I could solve all the questions of the universe in one moment.  Then what?  It may be better to be a child at a playground, well protected.

Now for the Human element.  We have vertical cruelty and horizontal cruelty.  Carthage and Mongols as examples.

But we are here now, in better circumstances than either of those, even though the forces of them continue to threaten to pull us down into a behavior of the past.

Some people give more than they take.  Elon Musk seems to be that so far.

Other people become rich by taking from those who cannot or will not protect their lives.  I suspect that there are some of those who cannot feel well off unless other people are poor.

I think it is likely in our situation that those people who need others to suffer may be at a loss.  In our economy, with unlimited labor, then you have to sell your stuff to someone.  You can have your robots make beds endlessly, but you can only sleep in one bed at a time.  While wages may not go up, prices will go down.

But then there will be a sort of Darwinism.  We are already in it now.  If you choose to ruin your life you can overdo bad drugs, or otherwise injure yourself.  You may be able to overeat and ruin your health.  It goes on and on.  This is going to be a sort of hell of plenty for those who cannot adapt to it and fly right.

And there may be those who decide that people need to struggle.  And that is true.  But of course, now people will struggle in a hell of plenty, I think.  The "Winners" will have a psychology that can deal with it and not destroy themselves.

As for who will own the robots, well, possibly anyone.  As for the Mentally deficient, it is likely that they will get an attachment to their brain, in a sort of Neuralink fashion.

If we want to have struggle, it is possible that we could find it off of the Earth.

That would be better than sinking into degeneracy or mass cruelty towards each other.

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Re: Humanoid and other robots.

An interesting robot from China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JKqVrHrUw
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Chinas New FULLY AUTONOMOUS AGI Level Robot SHOCKS The Entire Industry! (Astribot S1)

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Seems to show getting closer to useful work.

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Re: Humanoid and other robots.

Another "Competitor Robot".  This may annoy "Nationalists".  But I just expect that it will prompt others to do more as well.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE  Quote:

Unitree Released B2 | The Most Advanced Quadruped Robot
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A few thoughts from me:
-Nature usually favors Quadrupeds, and on rare occasions Bipeds.

-But with a little math, Quadruped + Biped = Hexapod
-So then 4 + 2 = 6, but also 2 + 4 = 6

-Of course, this cheats a bit because actually Bipeds also have arms which technically are legs in other animals.
-But let's not worry about that.  I am interested in making Centaur Robots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaur
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You could put a humanoid upper body on top of a robot dog, or more interesting you could hook a second set of legs onto a bipedal robot.

You could even hook a wheeled cart to the back end of that, or to the bipedal robot.  So, you could do multiple attachments.
If you wanted to be silly you could make a connectable centipede with humanoid upper torso included.
Each "Posterior Part", could have its own battery pack which like as in Tesla Cars, as I understand it could be structural as well as electric.  On top of each battery pack could be a "Wagon Bed", to put parts and equipment into.

So, ideally the assembly could travel to a location to do a task, and have what is needed with it.  The humanoid biped might be able to disconnect and work bipedal, and then have access to the parts and tools that the rear additions carry.  The rear additions having less actuators might be able to carry more power as per batteries.

In reality, for now I see this as being suitable for work in farm fields, or to clean some things, such as solar panels which might also be in the farm fields.

Actually, this could work very well, Farm Crops, Solar Power local, and multipedal robot(s).  So, this robot unit could perhaps be able to charge local in the fields while it worked.

Additional legs may add to stability at times desired, but the ability to unhook, and go quadrupedal or Bipedal would also be an asset.

But I admit it will be very hard to train such an adaptable robot with attachments.

But someday perhaps.

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