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#2276 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-30 10:29:29

I write:

you write:

I’ll make you a deal. You work out the above problems by hand. (Try not to look at the solutions too much). Convince me you understand the solutions to those problems and then I will read that paper if you still want me to. If you don’t even look at those problems then we have nothing to talk about. Surly you can do it. It is only one page and the solutions are provided. You want me to read a 10 page paper.

#2277 Re: Terraformation » Geosynchronous near Venus surface » 2004-03-30 10:22:46

It can be explained by general relativity. Unforunatly, I am not sure how.

#2279 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-30 08:58:21

How does the more massive paricle interact with the ship? If it doesn't then then only force on the ship is the force exserted by the laser.

#2280 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-30 08:40:45

"For every action there is an equal and oposit reaction" Netwton

#2282 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-30 08:21:54

I originally thought Errorist would further accelerate the ions with an electric field after ionizing them with a laser. This might not be as efficient as an ion engine but at least it would allow for more possible sources of fuel. Accelerating them with a laser entirely would be just stupid. You might as well shine a flashlight out the back of your ship, because even if the laser did accelerate them it would be with the exact same force the laser exerts back on the ship.

#2283 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Orbital mechanics » 2004-03-30 07:57:25

Getting the Velocity in Vector Form

Given the equation of the [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ConicSection.html]conic section:
a1 x^2 +a2 x + a3 x y + a4 y +a5 y^2= a 6
I worked out the [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Derivative.html]derivative
dr/d_theta by [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ImplicitDi … ation.html]implicit differentiation:
This is relevant because the [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Slope.html]slope is related to the derivative by:
dx/dy=((dr/d_theta) sin(theta) + r cos(theta))/((dr/d_theta) cos(theta) + r sin(theta))
The [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Slope.html]slope gives the [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Direction.html]direction a body is
traveling that is following the [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ConicSection.html]conic section.
In other words it can be used to find the
instantaneous [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VelocityVector.html]velocity vector.

The solution is:
dr/d_theta=

a6+a1 r^2 sin(2 theta) + a2 r sin(theta)- a3 r^2 cos(2 theta) –a4 r cos(theta) – a5 r^2 sin(2 theta)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


a1 r (1 + cos(2 theta)) + a2 + a3 r + a4 +a5 r (1- cos 2 theta)

#2284 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:31:37

quize question 6, cosider the ions o_2^-1  and o-1 in a field of one colomb per meter square. What is the force acting on each ion and how quickly are each ion accelarated?

#2285 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:28:49

quze question 5, what is the force generated by accelerating one oxegen ion (o-) to half the speed of light?

#2286 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:26:39

quize question 4, write down the equation relating the frequency of a photon to the energy of a phton.

#2287 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:25:31

quize question 3, qualtativly discribe the ellectrical field produced by a changing magnetic field inside a toroid.

#2288 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:23:43

quize question 2:
Write down Maxwell's equations both in vector form and phasor form.

#2289 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:16:08

Okay, quize. What is the divergence of a vector field?

#2290 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 14:08:48

Have you read much about the modern ION engine? If you haven’t you should. I haven’t so I can’t comment to much. I don’t want to reinvent the wheel. I also haven’t done the math so I don’t know how efficient you scheme is. If you want to try and design this it might be a good exercise. But to do this you are going to have to start learning the math and physics.

#2291 Re: Interplanetary transportation » E=mc² » 2004-03-29 13:44:55

It would travel at the speed of light no matter what reference frame it was viewed from. However the frequency of the light would look different from each reference frame (see the Doppler effect).

#2292 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon---->Ion---->Acceleration » 2004-03-29 13:39:13

It probably wouldn’t be significant. Electrons are much lighter.

#2293 Re: Interplanetary transportation » E=mc² » 2004-03-29 13:37:02

You can't travel at the speed of light. Even if you had a warp drive there is probably a better way of thinking about it then FTL.

#2294 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon---->Ion---->Acceleration » 2004-03-29 13:33:14

The electron is held in place by coulomb forces. It can’t stay just anyway though because it must form a standing wave.

#2295 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 13:32:31

Okay what frequency of laser would be sufficient to ionize the gas? How efficient are these lasers? What gas are you going to use? How are you going to construct the electromagnetic nosel. Possible but the devil is in the details.

#2296 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Photon force » 2004-03-29 13:24:20

So you are making a solar thermal engine. No need for the laser.

#2297 Re: Planetary transportation » Combining the Rover and Hab - Go RV'ing! » 2004-03-29 12:39:38

IIRC the case for mars suggested a walking habitat as a future possibility.

#2299 Re: Not So Free Chat » 102,004 A.D. - where will we be 100,000 years from now? » 2004-03-29 09:59:11

There is some interesting theory on warp drives. Who knows what the future will hold.

#2300 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Zero energy trajectories - a thread to discuss this topic » 2004-03-29 07:42:07

Slightly off topic. Well, I guess that space tug ends the hubble debate. Hubble will be saved.

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