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You claim to have your "truth" which is nothing more than a different interpretation of the word of God- the bible. You have no evidence that your interpretation is any more correct than anyone else; yet you lay judgement down on those who do not intrepret as you do.
But I don't need to have my interpretation of the bible proved to you or to me. I have faith that it is right, and in that I am content.
How can you be on both sides of the fence on this issue? There can only be 1 truth in the end, because obviously something exists that we all believe in; atheism could be the real "answer", or judaism, or Islam, or Catholicism. I don't know, but I have faith that mine is the right one.
You passionately defend Catholicism while at the same time are afraid to admit if one religion is right or wrong. It bothers me because I don't really know where you stand.
Why not just use the celebrities to our advantage? I'm sure there are lots of celebs who didn't go along with this greenpeace infomercial, so why not use them?
Just as long as we don't have a nerdy kid with red hair, freckles, and thick framed glasses doing the ad... ![]()
Were you raised Catholic, or are you just argueing for the sake of arguement?
If you look at a majority of the nation, we elected Republican leaders in Congress. That means American is a majority Republican nation. If you want to abolish the electoral college, use your majority vote to elected democrat congressional leaders who will get rid of the system instead of crying about losing the race to me.
I don't know why we're argueing about this in the "Legalize Drugs" thread. Let's get back on topic.
Whatever... go get a blowjob on your madeup fantasy island, but don't take me along...
Perhaps you misunderstood me. Those testaments are the fundamentals parts of salvation. The rest are important teachings that are not to be quickly discarded; in fact, most people like the teaching of the other books, even if they don't accept the parts about Jesus, salvation, etc. But being a Christian, I find those books a bit more important that the philosophical and moral parts of the bible. But only a little more important.
You're not Catholic, so you have no real appreciation for how inflamatory your idle comment is.
I have friends who are Catholic, and we can talk about this stuff just fine. Protestants are just Catholics without Popes or Saints. The fact is, and you are free to disagree with it, that I don't accept the pope as being my middle man to God. That's all. I don't see why you're so hurt.
Good question. Which is why I sometimes wonder why we must have enough nuclear weapons to incinerate the globe several times over...
MAD. It's why North Korea is such a threat. 2000 nuclear weapons ensures your ashes get really finely charred, but 10 nukes ensures you just get hurt really bad.
But wouldn't you get sick of it after a while? It's still really good, but just not the same...
so what you are really saying cal, is that you merely follow what a person wrote down, and then was later interpreted by the catholic church, which was later interpreted by someone else, and someone else, and so on.
well, im convinced.
It's all fundamentals, soph. All I need to know are the fundamentals about how to get where I'm going, and the rest is purely speculation. My faith's most important teachings are all within the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts.
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Jesus went to all the other aliens after he died on the cross. He rode on a sled with 8 tiny raindeer. This was all after he visited the Native Americans, and the Chineese.I suggest the Mars Society attempt to reverse engineer this jesus technology. Also, it would be nice to turn water into wine.
Wait... let me get this right. I say one over-read thing about the pope and child abuse and get a harsh reply from Clark, but Alt says the most sacreligious thing I've ever heard and scoots away unscathed? Shame on you, Alt. ![]()
Who wants a world filled with nuclear weapons? It's just a bunch of chances for nukes to fall into the wrong hands and end up hurting everyone. The way it is, the "Nuke Club" just protects everyone (ie Yugoslavia, Kuwait, South Korea, etc.).
And you're a fool if you think the government has information about currently made bio-weapons or WMDs, it's all speculation. If they did, of course, and we all know this, Iraq would be bombed to bits.
Who says we don't have good evidence right now? Who says we're not sharing with the inspectors and waiting for them to find it? Why would the government need to have the public on its side with information about the war when the majority of the public is already okay with war? It would be a sensless uncovering of sensitive information.
As much as you hate to admit it, the CIA does have a very broad reach, and has the best intelligence in the world.
AltToWar is trying to point out, that while the inspectors have found nothing, and will likely find nothing, the mass media, and indeed, the country, is being told that we're going to war with Iraq every single night. Ever watch the national news? ?War with Iraq? is the new, irrational trend we're seeing. It should be, ?Iraqi inspections still going smoothly for the nth day,? as any sane society would portray it.
The mass media is fundamentally flawed. Its purpose in our society is to regulate the government, but at the same time its a private industry that needs to make a profit to survive. It can't just provide fair-and-balanced news if that type of broadcast doesn't sell. It's a sad fact, but the only way to get "sane" news is if the public actually likes normal, decent news. Unfortunately, we're a nation of Jerry Springer type people, and I hope that changes soon.
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And if the inspectors don't find anything, I find it impossible to see how Bush would justify attacking completely and utterly unprovoked. The American people, and indeed, the international community, will not look upon such actions lightly.Alt wrote:
I bet you $100 that we go to war mid febuary at the latest, no matter what the UN says.
This is a point I've been wanting to bring up for a long time. Yes, we can't attack without a basis for it, but at the same time there is a window for when we can feasibly attack in the middle east. If Iraq can hide their weapons until April at least, what are we going to do? Send our bio-hazard protected troops in thick rubber suits into the desert to fight? All they have to do is hide their weapons until the desert heats up and they're safe until September. How can we possibly fight a war of this type in 120 degree temperatures?
And let's keep that bet at $20 Alt... just to remain friendly. ![]()
Josh wrote:
So? That's no justification Cal. Be realistic.
What's so unrealistic about having some intuition and getting your visa renewed on time?!
Cindy wrote:
*"Extensive media coverage" -- ?? What "extensive media coverage"?
How many people do you think look at those Yahoo! stories daily? How many people could look at those nice, short little blurbs in a day? Hell, my dad hadn't even used the internet that day and he already knew about it when I mentioned this.
WMD's are not good military weapons- they are good strategic weapons which can be used to influence others without actual use of power. It is a threat based weapon only, since the use of one costs to much politcally and even militarily.
Yes, exactly. Wouldn't North Korea have a TREMENDOUS amount of influence in the Western Hemisphere (aka USA) if they had the means to deliver a nuclear weapon to a west coast city? That sure puts us in a bind if we ever want to deal with the North Koreans. And we've all acknowledged that North Korea doesn't have the economy or political risk to play in the MAD arena, so they do pose a significant threat.
That discussion came about because everyone was whining about Gore losing the election to Bush through the 230 year old method set forth in our Constitution, that nobody thought was bad up until now.
Why do I have to PROVE my God's existence to you? If I had conclusive evidence that my God existed, then there would be no point in believing. You have to have faith, because God, at this point, isn't a tangible being. I can't take you to where God is sitting and make you talk to him, soph. And as bad as it sounds, you just have to believe.
I don't think people that hold beliefs other than mine are bad, or "lower" than me, but I do know that I will be rewarded in the afterlife, according to my beliefs that I hold as a truth, and the others will go someplace I wouldn't want to visit anytime soon, and it isn't Abu Dhabi.
cal, if you dont accept the popes authority, then why do you celebrate christmas in december?
Because I don't know that the holiday's historical accuracy is all that important. Sadly, Christmas is kind of a sheperded holiday. If everyone celebrated Christmas in April, I would probably celebrate it then too. I think the creator of the universe isn't too picky about when we celebrate the birthday of our Savior. It's fundamentals that matter to me.
My family has traced my geneology back all the way to Charlamain.
That makes me a direct descendant of jesus christ.
Don't you feel special...
69 Cal... 69...
Ok... you've got me cornered
But still, it would get old after a while. A long time, but in a finite period of time. If I was in this situtation, I'm sure our partners would be looking for the real thing. "Oh honey, aren't you getting tired of this? After all of the coconuts you've eaten, you're beginning to taste, well, funny."
COBRA COMMANDER: Maybe the cheapest thing to do, both financially and politically, is just to take the hit. If the Norks nuke us, then we respond with the full support of the international community. Of course that results in substantial loss of life and no politician would ever suggest such a thing.
You're kidding, right?
I don't see how you can just let North Korea sit there, ignoring them, and allowing the advancement of their nuclear and long-range missile capabilities. You think being able to launch a nuke at Tokyo provides some political leverage, what do you think about being able to hit Los Angeles? Or Seattle? Or San Francisco?
Let's act now, end their nuclear program (or call their bluff) and remove the threat that North Korea poses to our friends in the Orient and to peace in the Western Hemisphere.
I know if I was living in this country with a visa, I'd be sure to have it renewed AHEAD of time, and not waiting until the last minute to renew it.
And a high-power rifle
So what exactly is our justification for the current attack? What has saddam done lately? be sure to omit things done a decade a go and see how far you get.
Do you have ADD? Can you focus on the news for 10 minutes? We're going to go to war if we find that Saddam started his nuclear weapons program again. We're going to go to war if he shoots down one of our patrol aircraft over the no-fly zone. This war isn't about the Kurds, or the Iranians back in the 1980's; it's about keeping Iraq out of the nuclear arena and protecting our troops that are enforcing a cease-fire treaty.
On previous comments (pg. 24,25)
Soph:
Maybe the government actually does know something we dont.Echus_Chasma:
They know much more than they care to tell us.El scorcho:
The government does know more than they tell us. I admire Israel for the way they handle things. They tend to not take crap off of anyone. If I had my way, this war on terrorism would have been going on in '93 after the first WTC bombing.
el scorcho, thank you. I'm speechless. I've tried to express my sentiment about the Clinton administration and terrorism before, but you hit the nail on the head. God bless you...
And yes, I told you before, the government has WAY more information about Iraq than any media outlet does. I'll trust their information on this one.
And for the pope comment, it is a bit crude and unneccessary
Why? I just said that I (and every Protestant) don't accept the authority of the pope. It's not being "rebellious", it's just a part of our doctrine.
And you're right, I can't PROVE that your god is any more right than my God, but I still know that mine is right. I have to in order to accept it as my truth.
We do away with drug restrictions. You want it, you got it- as long as you don't hurt anyone else.
I've been in favor of that all along, but unfortuately they always end up hurting the people who don't use drugs. Steal a VCR, a car, kill someone for their change... all come back to hurt those of us who don't abuse drugs in the first place.
In My humble opinion, we let the nations who have the most to lose deal with the issue. Japan, Russia, China, and S Korea.
WE DO HAVE A LOT TO LOSE! You forget that the North Koreans will have a missile capable of hitting American targets by 2005 (if they don't have it already, god forbid). Right now, those countries listed above have the most to lose, but if we don't act now, WE will be added to that list. ???
And who says we could fight another Korean war the American way? Everyone wants a strategic-bombing-then-the-tanks-drive-the-red-white-and-blue-into-Pyongyang kind of war. No. We will either have to fight the bloodiest war in years coming across the DMZ, or carpet the country with nukes. Plus, this war won't be as easy as Iraq was as far as strategic bombing goes. They have a WAY better air defense than they did, and we'd better be prepared to lose some fighters as a result.
This will be a real war, not one where we can sit back and let technology do the work. And while Israel was seperated from Iraq, South Korea is just a hop skip and a jump away...
if it werent for the chinese, we would have won the Korean War.
I'm glad somebody finally said it. China is a bigger player in this theater than anybody wants to admit.
iraq is cooperating with the UN. Bush is trying to find any way to show that hes not. one country says "We have and are building nukes" and Bush says "Well, we'll see what we can work out" the other says, "We have none, go ahead and check" and we want to invade. Wheres the logic?
North Korea has been known to issue sharp statements regarding foreign policy. They're like that nerdy kid with an attitude that thinks he can backtalk the biggest kid in school. I think diplomacy is good for now, but we should start laying groundwork for an invasion.
Iraq may just be showing a happy face to the UN while it keeps developing its weapons. Keep in mind, Iraq is about the same size as Missouri. There's a lot of places to stash a weapon, especially uninhabited places with very remote access.
I agree that the US should have taken out Saddam when we had the chance, especially since at that point we had a huge rebel uprising and we could have easily succeeded. We didn't do it because it was risky politically (had we lost a lot of men, Bush wouldn't have been reelected- of course, he wasn't anyway...).
We called of our dogs because we had that whiney "coalition" stopping us. Had we done only a US-British operation, we wouldn't have had to honor the requests of the French, Germans, Saudis, etc. France didn't even let us use their airspace... some allies.
So has Isreal. Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Iraq. Do you suppose this is just cause to invade Israel.
Care to share those violations with the class, Johnny?
The 'No Fly Zone' has nothing to do with the UN. It was put into place on the pretense of protectiong the Kurds and (if I recall) the Sheites.
We have consistanty attacked Communications, anti-air, and radar sites all across Iraq.
Is Iraq still a soverin nation? If it is, does it still not have the right to defend itself?
Our planes are not there to enforce any UN Resolution. We are there to aggressively contain Iraq, along with the goal of preparing for eventual war.
Does a sovereign nation have the right to slaughter its own citizens based on ethnicity? The Furher would be proud...
el scorcho... you're my hero. Ole! ![]()