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#152 Re: Not So Free Chat » Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected » 2018-06-07 11:35:48

RobertDyck wrote:
kbd512 wrote:

If the Democrat Party can refrain from running candidates who are self-styled communists, socialists, or otherwise espouse theft of private property, then I can deal with the rest of the contrivances of the left's ideology.

You realize by standards of the rest of the world, the Democrat Party is quite right-wing.

His knowledge of American history,  capitalism and socialist history and ideology is even more shallow.   He only reads extreme right-wing nonsense that is short on facts and long on fantasy.   It's the same crapola that Trump and his bigoted followers read.   Hey kbd512 …. did ya know that Canada burned down the Presidential mansion (White House) in 1812?     Until Trump educated us we all thought it was the British in the War of 1812 who did that!   

kbd512 probably thinks communism exists in Canada and insists China does not have a growing capitalist economy.   Chinese and Canadian billionaires will disagree with such silly and unformed ideas among Trump's contemporary "know nothing" cultists.

They will never understand the truth and accept facts that don't fit into their fantasy version of history which is based on "alternative facts" and works of  fiction.

#153 Re: Not So Free Chat » Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected » 2018-06-05 21:11:41

kbd512 wrote:

EdwardHeisler,

Hang in there, Tiger.  There's another Presidential election in two short years.  It's a blink of an eye, almost as if time fast forwards, or maybe I'm just getting old.  Everyone can go berserk then, irrespective of the results.  For now, I think it's time to let it go.  At the very least, you need to learn to have a sense of humor about these things.  If it's any consolation, I didn't vote for former Presidents Bush or Obama.

So you waited for a racist anti-working class billionaire bigot to run for President, Trump, before you decided to vote for a President.  That figures.

Will the 2020 election also be rigged just like the 2016 presidential election? 

This is the only nation I'm aware of where the person who gets the most votes for President loses!

It's a rigged system with a so-called "electoral college" that makes it possible for a low-life scumbag like Trump to become President.
The Presidential Electors at a special meeting ultimately vote on and decide who becomes President, not the voting public.

Trump lost the popular vote by a large margin even with the backing of his corrupt billionaire sponsors in Russia and sleazyl Wall Street and corporate gangsters in the United States, the folks you apparently identify with and admire.

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Philly mayor calls Trump a "tyrant" after White House snubs Eagles
Alex Sundby
CBS News

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney called President Trump a "tyrant" who "is trying to turn this country into a dictatorship." The mayor made the comments on CBSN on Tuesday morning after the White House disinvited the Philadelphia Eagles from a celebration for the team's Super Bowl victory.

"Cities need to stand up in this country, and many mayors have stood up in this country against this tyrant," Kenney said. "He is trying to turn this country into a dictatorship by ignoring the courts and by saying and doing what he wants, by ignoring the Department of Justice ... and in the end this will all come to a conclusion, and it won't be a good ending for him."

Kenney told CBSN's Vladimir Duthiers that the president "allies himself with strongmen around the world" and seemed to be "more comfortable" with Russian President Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

On Monday night, the White House abruptly canceled a celebration for the Eagles' victory over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl LII. But Kenney said that won't stop Philadelphia from celebrating its team.

"Donald Trump ruins a lot of things, he can't ruin this," the mayor said.

A source close to the players said that less than 10 Eagles committed to attending the White House event, CBS News' Arden Farhi reports.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/philly … &ocid=iehp

#154 Re: Not So Free Chat » Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected » 2018-06-05 15:38:47

kbd512 wrote:

It's a joke, son, it's a joke.

Enjoy being miserable while the rest of us enjoy liberals being insufferable.  That's why they lost, even if they can never admit it.

Happy Trump hating! smile

Trump is without any question or doubt a white hardcore racist and bigot who is only admired by other ignorant bigots and by members of the KKK and other terrorist organizations.   He's a wannabe dictator who is placing himself above the law.   He is biggest danger to the American people and our way of life since other traitors like Jefferson Davis tried to destroy this nation.

Trump does not love this country and is a counterfeit patriot.   Lock him up!

And Trump is your role model?

For what?

#155 Re: Not So Free Chat » Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected » 2018-06-05 13:06:30

Does Trump and his Trumpete cultists joke about anything?

Trump does flash silly looking grins and poses when he is on camera.

Now that's funny!

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#156 Not So Free Chat » WSJ’s SpaceX Story Raises Many Alarm Bells, But Few Are Based in Fact » 2018-06-05 07:44:57

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 1

WSJ’s SpaceX Story Raises Many Alarm Bells, But Few Are Based in Fact
By John Bonazzo • 06/04/18
Observer

Things may look bleak for SpaceX, but Elon Musk isn’t beaten yet.

The space transportation company told The Wall Street Journal this weekend that it won’t launch a pair of space tourists into orbit this year, as it had previously promised. There’s now no exact timeline for when the tourist mission will occur (though the Journal initially claimed it would happen in summer 2019).

“SpaceX is still planning to fly private individuals on a trip around the moon, and there is growing interest from many customers,” SpaceX spokesman James Gleeson told Observer. “Private spaceflight missions, including a trip around the moon, present an opportunity for humans to return to deep space and to travel faster and farther into the solar system than any before them, which is of course an important milestone as we work toward our ultimate goal to help make humanity multi-planetary.”

Musk had announced with great fanfare in February 2017 that SpaceX would send two paying customers around the moon and back again aboard the Falcon Heavy. The tourists were never identified, but reportedly paid a large deposit.

This delay seemingly points to bigger issues at SpaceX—and the Journal framed it as such by spotlighting the company’s history of missed deadlines.

SpaceX expects to launch between 25 and 30 missions this year—it’s completed 11 thus far, with the most recent one going into orbit this morning.

But after 2018, prospects seemingly look much bleaker. SpaceX projects that it will launch 40 percent fewer missions next year.

Some of this is expected: SpaceX President and COO Gwynne Shotwell told CNBC there had been a “slight slowdown” in satellite orders for 2019 (such orders must be made two years in advance).

But the Journal goes further, claiming there is much less demand for SpaceX’s largest rockets than the company predicted.

The Falcon Heavy, SpaceX’s biggest rocket launcher, went on its maiden voyage in February. Analysts thought the craft, which has five million pounds of thrust, could upend the space industry.

But according to the Journal, the smaller Falcon 9 rocket is capable of putting most existing satellites into orbit on its own. The price of the Falcon 9 has also decreased of late.

As such, the Journal includes a claim from space entrepreneur Charles Miller that there was “no commercial need” for the Falcon Heavy at this time.

One look at the SpaceX website proves this isn’t true, however. There are at least four Falcon Heavy missions listed on the company’s current launch manifest (which is frequently updated).

Furthermore, Miller is a former vice president of international communications at Boeing—which coincidentally is one of SpaceX’s main competitors. So it makes sense that he would cast doubt on Musk’s efforts.

SpaceX certainly has many challenges ahead on the road to interstellar dominance. But when media outlets manufacture fake issues out of thin air, that just makes the company’s job harder.

http://observer.com/2018/06/spacex-wall … e-tourism/

#157 Not So Free Chat » Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected » 2018-06-04 21:29:47

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 203

Trump’s Lawyers Argue That He Cannot Be Impeached Because He Was Never Actually Elected
By Andy Borowitz
June 4, 2018



WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In what they believe is a legal masterstroke, lawyers for Donald J. Trump are now claiming that he cannot be impeached because he was never actually elected.

In a lengthy memo sent to the special counsel, Robert Mueller, the lawyers pushed back vehemently against any allegation that Trump was legally elected President.

“Because Russian interference made the election of Donald J. Trump wholly illegitimate, any attempt to remove him from an office that he does not legally hold is clearly impossible,” the memo asserted.

The memo claimed that the Constitution contains “no provision for removing a person from office when that person was installed there by a foreign power.”

The memo went on to argue that, if a subpoena is sent to the White House, it will be returned to Mueller and stamped “addressee unknown.”

“A person referred to in a subpoena as ‘President’ Donald J. Trump simply does not exist,” the memo claimed.

Minutes after the memo was leaked, the former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani appeared on “Fox & Friends” and proudly announced that he was its author.

“Sometimes I have to just step back and say, ‘Damn it, Rudy, you’re good,’ ” he said, beaming.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowit … MxNTgwMwS2

#158 Re: Not So Free Chat » Zubrin's First Public Presentation On Moon Direct Architecture May 26 » 2018-06-04 21:03:00

I learned many times and long ago that initial impressions can be totally wrong.  Look at the full body of work.

#159 Not So Free Chat » Bob Zubrin calls NASA's Lunar Gateway a "lunar orbital tollbooth” » 2018-06-04 19:13:48

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 6

Gateway versus tollbooth
by Jeff Foust
The Space Review
Monday, June 4, 2018

As NASA plans to develop the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway, one of the biggest challenges appears to be getting the name right.

In presentations at the International Space Development Conference recently in Los Angeles, NASA officials sometimes stumbled over the name, one calling it the “Lunar Orbiting Platform-Gateway” and another the “Lunar Outpost, uh, Platform, Platform-Gateway.” On some slides, it still showed up under its former, and perhaps more eloquent, moniker, the Deep Space Gateway. It’s little wonder, then, that it usually was called just the Gateway throughout the conference.

Whatever you call it, NASA has billed it as the next big step in human spaceflight. “We’re looking at four different tracks on how we could use the Gateway,” said Christopher Moore of NASA’s Advanced Exploration Systems Division during a conference talk May 26. That included, he said, scientific applications, technology demonstrations, and unspecified commercial and international applications.

“The Gateway will also be the jumping-off point for missions further into the solar system,” he added. “It will help us develop some of the capabilities we need for those missions.”

NASA has played down the size of the Gateway in its past discussions of the outpost: a Power and Propulsion Element (PPE), a habitat module, a logistics module, and an airlock. NASA is already ramping up planning for the first element, the PPE: in a procurement update posted last week, NASA said it planned to issue a draft solicitation for the module in June or July, a schedule that would result in final proposals being submitted to NASA in November.

“We have a head start on the Power and Propulsion Element based on work we did with the previous mission, the Asteroid Redirect Mission,” said Ron Ticker, deputy director of the PPE program at NASA Headquarters, in a May 25 presentation at the conference. Like the now-cancelled ARM, the PPE will us electric propulsion to maneuver, while also providing power for the other modules as well as communications services.

NASA plans to procure the PPE through a public-private partnership for a commercial launch in 2022. “NASA intends to release a BAA [Broad Agency Announcement] to award one or more contracts for a NASA-industry partnership for development and demonstration of a PPE,” he said, leaving open the possibility of NASA procuring more than one PPE.

Indeed, NASA officials at the conference had visions of a Gateway that could be significantly larger than the minimalistic concept the agency has been publicly discussing. “We’re looking ahead as to how this initial configuration could evolve,” Moore said, showing an illustration of an expanded Gateway. “This concept shows two habitat elements, one supplied by an international partner and the other the US, and it would include logistics modules, robotic arm, and also have robotic or human landers that would depart from the Gateway and fly to the lunar surface and then return for refueling and reuse.”

“There will be two habitats,” said Paul McConnaughey, associate director, technical, at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, in a separate conference talk May 25. “There will be an international habitat. There will be a US/commercial habitat. There will be a cargo/logistics module, a docking module, a robotic arm.”

But as NASA seeks to expand the Gateway, others at the conference made it clear they would rather not see it built at all. “What we’re going with right now is the worst of all possible plans,” said Robert Zubrin.

Zubrin, best known for his advocacy of human missions to Mars, championed in an ISDC presentation an alternative architecture called Moon Direct. Like his Mars Direct concept from a quarter-century ago, it seeks to make use of in situ resources to lower the mass requirements, and thus cost, of getting humans to the lunar surface. “If you’re going to the Moon,” he said, “take advantage of what’s on the Moon, and design your architecture around that.”

Those lunar resources, not surprisingly, are lunar ice deposits, with that water converted into liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants. It also makes use of what Zubrin calls a Lunar Exploration Vehicle (LEV), a vehicle that can use those propellants to make long hops across the lunar surface and even achieve orbit or escape velocity.

“The Moon is big, its terrain is rough; there’s no roads, there’s no railways, there’s no rivers,” he said. “If you’re going to travel any distance on the Moon, you’re going to have to fly.”

In the first phase of the plan, large boosters—Zubrin baselines the use of SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy, which can carry at least eight tons to the lunar surface—send elements of the initial base, including equipment needed to extract water ice. As few as two such missions, he said, could deploy the basic elements of a lunar base.

In the second phase, a Falcon Heavy launches cargo lander, including a fully-fueled LEV, into low Earth orbit, where it rendezvouses with a Crew Dragon spacecraft launched on a Falcon 9. Astronauts transfer from the Dragon to the LEV for the trip to the Moon to finish outfitting the base. At the end of their stay, the crew boards the LEV for a trip back to LEO to dock with a Crew Dragon craft for the rest of the trip home.

Once the base is running, and producing propellants, all that is needed for future missions is a single Falcon 9/Crew Dragon launch of crews, who would travel to and from the Moon in the LEV. That LEV could be refueled on the Moon either for excursions elsewhere on the lunar surface or the trip back to LEO.

Zubrin argued that Moon Direct, by making use of lunar propellants and simplified systems, could achieve a lunar base with one-fifth the mass launched into LEO as a similar approach that required the use of the Gateway. That base, he said, could be sustained by flying just a few missions a year (assuming crews spend at least four months at the base) and at a cost he estimated to be as low as $400 million a year.

Whether anyone in power, in the administration or Congress, will pay attention to Zubrin and his Moon Direct alternative remains to be seen. He did, though, offer his own suggestion for the name of the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway when noting that mission concepts that had to use it suffered reduced performance compared to those that go directly to the surface. He called it the “lunar orbital tollbooth.”

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3505/1

#160 Not So Free Chat » Zubrin Introduces The Dipole Drive For Space Propulsion: Video May 29 » 2018-06-04 12:34:35

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 2

The speed of space travel is currently limited by the quantity of chemical fuel that spacecraft must carry. Robert Zubrin, President of Pioneer Astronautics, introduces the dipole drive - a new propulsion system which uses ambient space plasma as propellant, thereby avoiding the need to carry its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93pX9_7vYb0

#161 Mars Rovers / University Rover Challenge » Team from Poland Wins The 2018 University Rover Challenge » 2018-06-03 21:37:41

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 0

Congrats to them and all of the teams that made the final cut enabling them to participate in the challenge at the MDRS site.

http://urc.marssociety.org/home/urc-new … nstopoland

#163 Not So Free Chat » Zubrin's First Public Presentation On Moon Direct Architecture May 26 » 2018-06-02 12:49:47

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 3

Audio and Slides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGFMd-8zz8

Moon Direct - Robert Zubrin - International Space Development Conference - Saturday, May 26, 2018

From the National Space Society's annual ISDC conference, held in Los Angeles from May 24-27, 2018.

This is Robert's first public presentation on his Moon Direct architecture.

Robert's Moon Direct slides are here: http://nextgen.marssociety.org/presen...

He's also written a research paper on Moon Direct: http://nextgen.marssociety.org/presen...

#165 Re: Mars Rovers / University Rover Challenge » URC 2018 Team Announcement: 36 Teams from 10 Countries » 2018-05-29 07:40:30

Thank you!

Here's two more informative links.

This is the Mars Society University Rover Challenge home page.
http://urc.marssociety.org/home

BYU Mars Rover Acceptance Review Video 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWFgbJUi78

#166 Re: Not So Free Chat » URC 2018 Team Announcement: 36 Teams from 10 Countries » 2018-05-29 07:38:33

Thank you!

Here's two more informative links.

This is the Mars Society University Rover Challenge home page.
http://urc.marssociety.org/home

BYU Mars Rover Acceptance Review Video 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWFgbJUi78

#168 Interplanetary transportation » The first 3 SLS missions will have to settle for a less-powerful ride » 2018-05-23 12:12:23

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 2


The first three missions of NASA’s next big rocket will have to settle for a less-powerful ride
The powerful Block 1B won’t debut until 2024 at the earliest
By Loren Grush
May 22, 2018

The first three missions of NASA’s next-generation rocket, the Space Launch System, will all fly on the least powerful version of the vehicle that the space agency plans to build. NASA is moving forward with its plan to use a downgraded version of the SLS for its second and third flights, according to a memo from NASA headquarters obtained by The Verge. The original plan was to fly those two flights on a much more powerful upgrade of the rocket, but now, it seems that version won’t debut until 2024 at the earliest.

The SLS, meant to take humans into deep space, has been under development for the last decade, with its first three missions mostly set in stone. For its debut flight, called EM-1 and scheduled for 2020, the rocket will send an empty crew capsule called Orion on a three-week voyage around the Moon. Then a few years later, NASA plans to put a crew onboard: a second mission, called EM-2, will send two astronauts on a three-week-long trip around the Moon. Around that same time, NASA plans to use the SLS to launch a robotic spacecraft to fly by Jupiter’s icy moon Europa, called the Europa Clipper mission.

However, these three missions weren’t all supposed to fly on the same version of the SLS. NASA is planning to make two main variants of the vehicle: Block 1 and Block 1B. Block 1 is the less powerful form of the rocket, capable of getting 209,000 pounds (95 metric tons) to low Earth orbit. Block 1B is designed with a much more powerful upper stage, allowing it to carry about 287,000 pounds (130 metric tons). NASA’s plan was to fly Block 1 just once for the first SLS flight, and then fly Block 1B. But now NASA is going to fly all three missions — EM-1, EM-2, and Europa Clipper — on Block 1. The memo, signed by Bill Hill, NASA’s deputy associate administrator for exploration systems development, directs the space agency’s contractors to start planning for the change. A NASA spokesperson confirmed this change to The Verge.

In April, former NASA administrator Robert Lightfoot said that NASA might make this change — thanks to an unexpected influx of cash it received from Congress in March. The finalized spending bill for fiscal year 2018 gave NASA an extra $350 million to build a second launch platform for the SLS. And that gave NASA more options for how to move forward with the first SLS flights.

Right now, NASA only has one mobile launch platform — a slow-moving structure designed to carry the rocket to the launch pad where it’ll then take off. However, this one platform can only support flights of the Block 1 SLS at the moment. The platform would need significant upgrades to support the bigger and heavier Block 1B. And all that refurbishment would take time — at least 33 months to complete. During that time, nothing can take off from the platform. So under the original plan, NASA would first launch the inaugural mission of SLS on a Block 1 and then cease all flights of the rocket for nearly three years, while it upgraded the mobile launch platform to support the Block 1B. That meant the second flight of the SLS would be held hostage by however long those upgrades took.

To avoid this mess, Congress decided to give NASA the money to build another mobile launch platform, one specifically designed to fly the bulkier, more powerful Block 1B. This way, NASA could get started building the new platform now, to have it ready for the second flight of the SLS. But ironically, NASA is using this new money to shake its rockets up. Now the space agency is going to build the second, more robust platform while launching multiple Block 1s on the existing platform in the meantime. According to the memo, NASA will aim to have the second platform ready for a Block 1B launch in the beginning of 2024.

What’s still undecided is which mission will fly first — the Europa Clipper mission or the first crewed flight of Orion. Both are planned to occur around the same time, but Europa Clipper could fly before EM-2. It all depends on which one is ready to go the earliest, according to the NASA memos obtained by The Verge. NASA has set the date for this second flight to occur in mid-2022.

The decision to fly multiple Block 1s may have to do with the fact that the powerful upper stage needed for the Block 1B, called the Exploration Upper Stage, is going to cost way more than originally planned, according to Ars Technica. Plus, the new stage is being designed from scratch, so it’s likely going to take many years to have the hardware ready for a Block 1B flight. Meanwhile, the first Block 1 flight is scheduled to happen around 2020. If it proves its chops by then, it’ll be easier and quicker to simply launch more Block 1 rockets over and over again. So this decision could mean the SLS will fly more rapidly in the future, instead of NASA waiting many years for the Block 1B to materialize.

Flying on these less powerful Block 1s will change the mission profile of at least the crewed flight of the SLS. It won’t be able to carry extra payloads as NASA had originally planned, but it will still get the astronauts around the Moon. It’s unclear exactly how the Europa Clipper’s mission will change; however, the Block 1 is still capable of sending the spacecraft on a direct path to Jupiter. NASA says that Europa Clipper has the opportunity to launch each year from 2022 to 2025. Other similar rockets, such as SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy, don’t have as much energy to do a straight shot and would need a gravity boost from another planet, according to Barry Goldstein, the project manager for Europa Clipper, as Space News reported.

Still, the fact that we won’t be seeing the Block 1B for a while doesn’t bode well for the SLS program. Critics of the rocket say it’s too costly to build and fly, especially when there are comparable vehicles like the Falcon Heavy, which can put similar amounts of weight into low Earth orbit and is cheaper to launch. NASA and Boeing, the manufacturer of the SLS, claim that the space agency needs the SLS because it’s so much more powerful than anything else on the market. But the longer the Block 1B takes to build, the harder it will be to make that argument.

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https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/22/1738 … er-mission

#169 Re: Not So Free Chat » NASA’s Jim Bridenstine Agrees Humans Responsible for Climate Change! » 2018-05-19 13:03:38

SpaceNut wrote:

It does appear that Bridenstien played his cards close to the vest in playing the sheep in wolf clothing on the issue going along with constituents now until in a seat of power, to morph into a believer....

So Bridenstine deceived and lied to Oklahoma right-wing Republicans in order to advance his career.   I think you're right.   Just what NASA needs …. a skilled b.s. flip flopping politician.    First he's for going to the Moon, now he's for going to Mars …. but look out …. he's really going after Uranus!

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#170 Not So Free Chat » NASA’s Jim Bridenstine Agrees Humans Responsible for Climate Change! » 2018-05-18 07:40:27

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 4

NASA’s Jim Bridenstine Agrees Humans Are Responsible for Climate Change
By Eric Niiler
05.17.18

It's no secret that the Trump administration has filled cabinet positions and other senior staff jobs with people who reject or ignore established climate science. On Monday, for example, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told reporters at the National Press Club in Washington that he’s “not going to get into the climate debate.” He also said he could not endorse climate research by one of his own agencies, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose satellites, aircraft flights, and ocean buoys support scientists' consensus that humans are behind rising carbon dioxide levels and the resulting impacts of climate change such as sea level rise and changing weather patterns.

But today, something unusual happened. NASA’s brand new administrator, Jim Bridenstine, laid down a pretty big marker in agreement with established climate science. And if Bridenstine’s position on climate change has shifted toward the scientific mainstream, he may find himself staking out a lonely position among his former Republican colleagues in Congress.

“I don’t deny the consensus, I believe fully in climate change and that we human beings are contributing to it in a major way,” Bridenstine told NASA workers during a televised town hall from headquarters in Washington. He said that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and “we are putting it into the atmosphere in volumes we haven’t seen before. We are responsible for it.”

In contrast, at a climate hearing this week, Republican members of the House Science Committee said that the Earth is not warming (it is), that rocks falling into the ocean are causing sea level rise (they aren’t), and that the Antarctic ice sheet is growing bigger (it’s not).

While there were no audible gasps in the room at NASA headquarters (at least that the microphones picked up), there were a few smiles and raised eyebrows. That’s because Bridenstine’s own position on climate change had been somewhat up in the air. He was only sworn into office three weeks ago after a bruising confirmation battle in the Senate that lasted nearly a year. Democrats opposed Bridenstine based on his previous statements on the issue of the human contribution to climate change.

One of those statements came during his remarks on the House floor in 2013, when Bridenstine was a Republican congressman from Oklahoma. The Earth’s temperature had not risen for 10 years, he said, and President Obama should apologize to Oklahomans for wasting money to study global warming instead of destructive tornadoes. Left unsaid was that scientists have linked climate change with an increased frequency of more destructive storms, hurricanes, and drought events.

Then, in November 2017, during a Senate hearing on his nomination, Bridenstine said that humans contributed to climate change, but that he didn’t know by how much.

Perhaps Bridenstine’s thinking has evolved, or he’s realized he’s now heading an agency with an Earth science budget of more than $1.9 billion (of NASA’s nearly $20 billion). NASA officials did cancel a small $10 million carbon budget monitoring program last week that was responsible for checking sources and sinks of carbon emission around the globe. However, Congress reversed a White House decision to nix four climate-related space observing missions and stuck them back in the budget.

https://www.wired.com/story/nasas-jim-b … te-change/

#171 Interplanetary transportation » The Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway: an unneeded and costly diversion » 2018-05-15 10:52:17

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 3

The Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway: an unneeded and costly diversion
by Gerald Black
Monday, May 14, 2018
The Space Review

A consensus has developed for crewed lunar return. The Trump Administration has made it their official policy, Congress seems supportive, and other countries, who have never been to the Moon, are eager to take part in this program.

Two components have emerged in NASA’s plans to return to the Moon. The first is to establish a human tended space station in lunar orbit. Originally called the Deep Space Gateway, this program was renamed the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway (LOP-G) by the Trump Administration. The second component is to return humans to the surface of the Moon and establish a lunar base. Thus far NASA has been short on details regarding the latter.

But can we afford to do both components? The answer is a resounding no! Returning humans to the lunar surface is the primary goal of the Trump Administration and is the consensus goal. It is a goal that will inspire the public and the next generation of scientists and engineers. LOP-G is an unneeded and costly diversion that should be promptly relegated to the dustbin of history.

LOP-G is a left-over concept from the Obama Administration, which wanted to do something near the Moon as a bridge to human missions to Mars. It also meshed well with the Obama Administration’s Asteroid Redirect Mission (ARM), a plan to transport a boulder from a near Earth asteroid to lunar orbit. But the ARM project has been cancelled and human missions to Mars are on indefinite hold. And most of the architectures for human Mars missions (including Robert Zubrin’s Mars Direct plan and Elon Musk’s Big Falcon Rocket plan) envision departing from Earth orbit, not lunar orbit.

The LOP-G crew would spend their time in lunar orbit, but for what purpose? Microgravity experiments can be more easily accomplished in low Earth orbit (LEO), and lunar science can be accomplished much less expensively by robotic lunar orbiters.

In lunar orbit, the crew would be subjected to the deleterious effects of radiation (double that of LEO) and microgravity. These conditions would require frequent crew rotation. But if crews went directly to the lunar surface, they could stay for lengthy periods of time. They would be protected from radiation by a habitat covered by lunar dirt, and lunar gravity (16 percent of Earth’s gravity) is bound to be less harmful on the bones and muscles than micro-gravity.

Arguments for LOP-G include using it to continue our ISS international collaborations. But other countries want to have their astronauts walking on the Moon, not just hanging out in orbit above it. NASA would do better having our international partners develop lunar habitats, surface power systems, pressurized rovers, and other needed lunar infrastructure.

In the future, it may well make sense to have a propellant depot in lunar orbit or at the Earth-Moon L1 Lagrange point. The propellant depot would be used to store liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen propellants produced from lunar water. But that is not part of the LOP-G plan. A propellant depot in lunar orbit or at L1 should be deferred until it has been demonstrated that propellants can be extracted economically from lunar water.

LOP-G is useless for supporting human return to the lunar surface and a lunar base. Since a propellant depot is not part of the LOP-G plan, stopping at LOP-G on the way to or from the Moon would serve no useful purpose. Instead it would be detrimental, since rendezvousing with LOP-G would needlessly waste rocket fuel. NASA would do better transporting astronauts directly to the Moon, rather than detouring to a government station for no discernable reason. LOP-G is like a gateway without a gate: useless as a gateway to anywhere.

The first module of LOP-G (the Power and Propulsion Element) would be launched aboard a commercial launch vehicle. However, the other modules (a habitat module, a logistics module, an airlock, and possibly others) would be launched aboard NASA’s Space Launch System (SLS). Since it is totally expendable, uses outmoded technology, will have an infrequent launch rate, and is a cost-plus contract, the SLS is hugely expensive: probably about $2 billion per launch. LOP-G would also utilize the Orion spacecraft, another hugely expensive project that utilizes a cost-plus contract.

LOP-G is in its infancy, with only several study contracts issued to companies thus far, and no prime contractors chosen. The time to kill this project is now, before it becomes an entrenched project with strong industry backing. We don’t need a new program that would likely drain $3 billion per year from the NASA budget. The money would be much better spent on the consensus goal of returning humans to the lunar surface and establishing a lunar base. The latter is a program that desperately needs the money if it is to be successful.


Gerald Black is a retired aerospace engineer who worked in the aerospace industry for over 40 years. In his first job at Bell Aerosystems he tested various rocket engines, including the engine for the ascent stage of the Apollo lunar module. Later he worked for 39 years at GE Aviation.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3494/1

#172 Not So Free Chat » The Space Review: SpaceX’s workhorse Falcon 9 Block 5, takes flight » 2018-05-15 10:45:06

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 4

SpaceX’s workhorse rocket takes flight
by Jeff Foust
Monday, May 14, 2018
The Space Review 

The latest version of SpaceX’s Falcon 9, the company says, incorporates lessons learned from the more than 50 launches the company has performed to date. But, perhaps, there are still a few more lessons to learn.

During the first attempt to launch the rocket on Thursday, the countdown proceeded apace until 58 seconds before liftoff, when the onboard computer “threw an abort,” in the words of the commentator on the company’s webcast of the launch. SpaceX offered no other details other than that engineers were “scrubbing the telemetry logs” for the issue, but with the launch already pushed back 90 minutes into a launch window lasting a little more than two hours, ran out of time.

“I think truly remarkable to launch an orbit-class rocket—the same orbital-class rocket—twice in one day,” Musk said.

The problem, it turned out, was not a flaw with the vehicle itself. Instead, the company said at the beginning of its broadcast of the second launch attempt the next day, an “artifact of an earlier test sequence” involving a ground system triggered the hold. This time, there were no last-minute issues, and the rocket lifted off at the beginning of its launch window, successfully placing a French-built communications satellite for Bangladesh into geostationary transfer orbit less than 35 minutes later.

At first glance, that Falcon 9 looked little different from the previous versions of the rocket. Its interstage section between the first and second stages was now black, as were the four landing legs at the base of the first stage. Those superficial aesthetic differences, though, hid more substantive changes to the vehicle in the company’s quest to make it more reliable and more reusable.

In a conference call with reporters shortly before the scrubbed launch attempt Thursday, SpaceX CEO and founder Elon Musk said that this “Block 5” version of the rocket is really the sixth version of the rocket. “Because we had version one; version 1.1, which was really like version 2; arguably a version in between that; and then a bunch of blocks,” he said.

Whether you call it Block 5 or Version 6, Musk said a major change in the vehicle was an emphasis on rapid reusability. “The key to Block 5 is that it’s designed to do ten or more flights with no refurbishment between each flight, or at least no scheduled refurbishment between each flight,” he said. “The only thing that needs to change is you reload propellant and fly again.”

SpaceX already demonstrated reusability with the previous Block 4 version of the rocket, with 11 reflown first stages launched to date. However, the Block 4 version required more maintenance between flights, and were only being flown a couple of times. “With Block 4, we’d optimized it to probably about a week’s worth of refurbishments if pushed. Maybe, call it about ten days of work between flights,” he said. But Block 5 is “really better in every way than Block 4.”

How much better? The no-refurbishment goal of the Block 5 first stage means it is at least theoretically feasible to fly it twice within 24 hours, and Musk has set a goal to do just that later next year.

“So it’s going to take some amount of time—we’re going to be very careful and deliberate about this—but that will be I think truly remarkable, to launch an orbit-class rocket—the same orbital-class rocket—twice in one day,” he said.

He didn’t provide additional details about how that would be carried out, but the company faces challenges beyond just rapidly reusing the booster. Presumably, the first launch would be for a payload light enough to enable the stage to return to land, where it would be lowered to the horizontal position and trucked back to a processing facility where it can be fitted with a new upper stage and payload and taken to the pad for another launch attempt.

“Would you rather fly in an aircraft that’s never had a test flight before, or would you rather fly in an aircraft that’s flown many times successfully?”

That assumes that the pad itself can be turned around in less than 24 hours, but SpaceX get around that by doing one launch from Launch Complex 39A and the other from Space Launch Complex 40, several kilometers away at Cape Canaveral. The Eastern Range would have to be able to support that fast of a turnaround, although the Air Force has stated one goal for its “Drive for 48” range upgrade is to be able to handle two launches in 24 hours (it was prepared to do so earlier this year for Falcon 9 and Atlas 5 launches.) Also, the payloads have to be available and processed in parallel to support the back-to-back launches.

That goal, though, appears primarily to demonstrate that the Block 5 first stages can be reused frequently, and last a long time. “There’ll be some moderate scheduled maintenance at ten [flights], but we believe that the Block 5 boosters are capable of on the order of at least a hundred flights before being retired, maybe more,” Musk said.

Musk said he expected that customers, once reticent to fly on previously-flown boosters, will soon come to prefer them. “I think the general sentiment will change from feeling like a flown rocket is scary to feeling like an un-flown rocket is scary,” he said. “Would you rather fly in an aircraft that’s never had a test flight before, or would you rather fly in an aircraft that’s flown many times successfully?”

With that kind of reusability, Musk said he anticipates building just 30 to 50 Block 5 first stages, even though he expects the vehicle to perform at least 300 launches before being retired in favor of the company’s BFR (officially, Big Falcon Rocket).

Reliability and human spaceflight

Another key motivator for the Block 5 upgrade, Musk said, was reliability. The Block 5 will be used for launching commercial crew missions for NASA—Friday’s launch was the first of seven launches of the new vehicle required before NASA will allow it to be used for crewed missions—as well as for national security missions for the Air Force.

“We need to exceed all of NASA’s human-rating requirements for Block 5, and they are quite extensive, as well as meet all of the Air Force requirements for extreme reliability,” he said. “I really don’t want to jinx fate here, but this rocket is really designed to be—the intent is to be—the most reliable rocket ever built. That is the design intent. I hope fate does not punish me for these words, but that is unequivocally the intent.”

Among those changes is a redesign of the composite-overwrapped pressure vessels (COPVs) used to store helium in the upper stage propellant tanks to pressurize them. The failure of one COPV caused a Falcon 9 second stage to explode during preparations for a static-fire test in 2016, while another, coming loose from a strut that broke at loads lower than it was rated for, led to the failure of another during a 2015 launch, the only two Falcon 9 failures to date.

Redesigning the COPV was critical for enabling the Falcon 9 to carry crews. A report by NASA’s Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel earlier this year suggested that more COPV testing was needed before allowing crewed launches. “In our opinion, adequate understanding of the COPV behavior in cryogenic oxygen is an absolutely essential precursor to potential certification for human space flight,” it stated in its annual report.

“Man, we have tested the living daylights out of those things, 17 ways to Sunday,” Musk said of the redesigned COPVs. The new COPV is the “most advanced pressure vessel ever developed by humanity,” he said later in the call. “I’ve personally gone over the test design, I’ve lost count how many times. But the top engineering minds at SpaceX have agonized over this. We’ve tested the living daylights out of it.”

“The reason it’s so hard to make an orbital rocket work is that your passing grade is 100 percent, and you can’t fully and properly test an orbital rocket until it launches.”

NASA panels have also raised questions about the so-called “load-and-go” process of fueling the Falcon 9 shortly before flight—propellants are loaded starting less than 40 minutes before liftoff—and after astronauts have boarded the Crew Dragon spacecraft. Some, like former astronaut Tom Stafford, chair of the NASA’s ISS Advisory Committee, have criticized that approach as going against a half-century of experience in human spaceflight operations, where fueling is done prior to crews boarding the vehicle.

Musk downplayed those concerns as “somewhat overblown” in the call. “We certainly could load the propellant and then have the astronauts board Dragon. That’s certainly something we could do,” he said. “But I don’t think it’s going to be necessary, any more than passengers on an aircraft need to wait until the aircraft is fully fueled before boarding.”

For much of the call, which lasted for more than 45 minutes, Musk went into deep detail about the various changes to the Block 5 version of the Falcon 9, from the strengthening of the “octaweb” structure that holds the nine Merlin engines in the first stage to the use of titanium, rather than aluminum, grid fins to control the first stage on its descent. “I’m giving a lot of technical information and hopefully this is interesting, but I’m happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have as well, following this, within the bounds of ITAR constraints,” he said at one point.

But Musk also sounded a little stressed about the launch. “You know, it could be a thousand things that go right on this rocket, and one that goes wrong, and a passing grade for rockets—the reason it’s so hard to make an orbital rocket work—is that your passing grade is 100 percent, and you can’t fully and properly test an orbital rocket until it launches,” he said. “Man, anyway, I’m stressed. It’s like PTSD.”

“Any good wishes would be appreciated,” he told the reporters on the call.

Full reusability and the BFR

Musk emphasized throughout the briefing, as the company has done in the past, that the that the Falcon 9 Block 5 (or version 6) will be the final major update to the vehicle, as it looks ahead to the BFR.

There will be, though, minor updates to the vehicle based on experience on its initial flights. “There’ll be a handful of small changes,” he said. “If this hypothetically version 6, that’d put us at sort of 6.01, or 6.02, that sort of thing.”

However, Musk has talked about attempting to recover and reuse both the payload fairing of the Falcon 9 as well as the vehicle’s upper stage. The company has performed some experiments trying to guide the payload fairing back, using a parafoil to enable a precision landing on a ship equipped with a large net. Those landings haven’t been successful yet, but Musk said those efforts will continue, in part because of the large expense of the fairing: about $6 million each.

Musk hinted on Twitter earlier this year about using a “party balloon” to recover the upper stage, which many interpreted as using some kind of inflatable ballute to protect the upper stage during reentry and return to Earth. He didn’t discuss that specific approach but did say that the company will collect data on the upper stage’s reentry conditions.

“Gradually, over the course of this year, we’ll be adding more and more thermal protection to the upper stage and try to see what’s the least amount of mass necessary to return the upper stage in a condition that is reusable,” he said. “I’m quite confident that we’ll be able to achieve full reusability of the upper stage. In fact, I’m certain we can achieve full reusability of the upper stage, the question is simply what the mass penalty is.”

Being able to recover and reuse the first stage, upper stage, and fairing could save about 90 percent of the costs of a launch (Musk estimated that 60 percent of a Falcon 9’s cost goes into the first stage, 20 percent into the second, and 10 percent for the fairing, with the other 10 percent going to launch operations.) “We may be able to get down to a marginal cost for a Falcon 9 launch, fully considered, under $5–6 million. That would be quite exciting.”

“I’m quite confident that we’ll be able to achieve full reusability of the upper stage. In fact, I’m certain we can achieve full reusability of the upper stage, the question is simply what the mass penalty is.”

That doesn’t mean, though, that the launch price will be going that low. Musk revealed in the call that the company has been offering modest discounts on Falcon 9 launches that feature a previously-flown first stage: $50 million a launch, versus a list price of $62 million. But even with full reusability of the Falcon 9, price decreases will be more gradual in order for the company to recoup its costs.

“We still have a bunch of fixed costs to cover that need to be divided over that number of flights. And we need to recover the development costs of recovery. And pay for BFR. And pay for the Starlink constellation,” he said, the last item being SpaceX’s proposed broadband satellite constellation, with thousands of satellites.

The BFR that Falcon 9 launches will help fund development of will eventually take over, but the numbers Musk provided in the call suggest that it will be some time before the BFR takes over. With SpaceX planning about 30 launches this year, that 300 Block 5 Falcon 9 launches would take ten years to complete. Even increasing the flight rate to, say, 50 a year—roughly one a week—would imply that the Falcon 9 will remain in service into the mid-2020s.

SpaceX, meanwhile, has won approval by local officials in Los Angeles to build a factory for producing BFR vehicles at the Port of Los Angeles, where they can be shipped by sea to its launch site. Musk said in the call that the company’s launch site near Brownsville, Texas—still under development three and a half years after a ceremonial groundbreaking in September 2014—will be used for the BFR, with Falcon 9 using existing launch facilities in Florida and California.

At the Humans to Mars Summit in Washington last Wednesday, another SpaceX executive, Josh Brost, confirmed earlier statements by Musk that BFR testing will begin next year with short hops of the upper stage, or “spaceship,” element of the vehicle. “We are working to build the first upper stage right now,” he said during a conference panel. “As early as the first half of next year we’re going to have our first upper stage doing vertical takeoff and landing tests. We’ll mature that capability as fast as possible.”

Musk, at last September’s International Astronautical Congress in Australia, said that SpaceX would launch the first BFR missions to Mars, carrying cargo, in 2022, followed by crewed missions in 2024. Those dates remain in place, Brost said, but like Musk said last year, “they are aspirational.”

Musk declined to talk about BFR development last week, other than passing references to the vehicle, focusing instead on the Block 5. That vehicle is set to become SpaceX’s workhorse for the next several years—perhaps a decade—generating the revenue the company needs for Starlink, BFR, and the company’s human Mars ambitions. That did not come easily, though.

“This is a ridiculously hard thing, and it’s taken us, man, from 2002, 16 years of extreme effort, and many, many iterations, and thousands of small but important development changes,” he said of the long path from SpaceX’s founding to the Block 5. “Crazy hard.”


Jeff Foust (jeff@thespacereview.com) is the editor and publisher of The Space Review, and a senior staff writer with SpaceNews. He also operates the Spacetoday.net web site. Views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author alone.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3495/1

#173 Re: Not So Free Chat » U.S. Should End the Ban on NASA Working With China's Space Scientists » 2018-05-14 21:58:20

louis wrote:

Shouldn't that read: "The US should end its ban on NASA working with a Communist-military dictatorship that opposes US international policy, engages in wholesale commercial espionage and copyright theft, locks up political dissidents, undertakes illegal occupation of land and has provided lifeline support to the North Korean dictatorship".

What is Trump international policy this week or this hour?

So Chinese "communists" are promoting domestic and foreign capitalist investments in China!    If they are one can no longer call them communists or even pinkos!   They are rejecting the major elements of a non-capitalist economy.      Why have entire sectors of the Chinese economy been privatized?   Is Russia also a communist nation?  How can a capitalist class and billionaires even exist in a hardcore 100% "communist" China?      And if that is the objective reality in China today, it would make just as much sense to claim that Wall Street and corporate capitalists are leading a communist revolution to destroy capitalism in the United States!

China has a rapidly expanding capitalist economy with tight government controls that give them an edge in world trade and competition..     If China had remained outside of capitalist world economies with a planned nationalized economy, the United States would not be competing with China in trade and capitalist world markets today.

#174 Not So Free Chat » Boeing Claims SpaceX Falcon Rocket Can't Compete With Their SLS Rocket » 2018-04-30 20:50:27

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 13

A SLS rocket that doesn't exist yet and won't fly for years!    Boeing forgot to mention the BFR.   Ed Heisler

The following is posted at Boeings website:

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In February, Elon Musk’s SpaceX test launched the Falcon Heavy — a rocket that SpaceX touts as the “most powerful operational rocket in the world.”

However, the Falcon Heavy failed to impress the spaceflight department at NASA. Bill Gerstenmaier, the head of spaceflight at NASA, said the Falcon Heavy is“too small”for NASA’s needs.

Ouch.

boeingwuf_email_falconheavy.jpg

Gerstenmaier went even further, stating that NASA’s exploration programneeds the “unique capabilities of the SLS rocket.”

The Boeing-built SLS rocket is the only spaceflight vehicle that can provide NASA the tools it needs for deep space exploration. The SLS can bring equipment into space that is too large for the Falcon Heavy.

The Falcon Heavy launch turned heads in February, but SpaceX’s rocket is a smaller type of rocket that can’t meet NASA’s deep space needs. Once theBoeing-built SLSis operational, it will be the most powerful rocket ever built.

Watch U.S. Fly will keep you updated as the competition between Boeing and SpaceX heats up.

https://watchusfly.com/nasa-spacex-falc … ploration/

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The response from ARS Technica

Boeing blast —
Boeing slams the Falcon Heavy rocket as “too small”
"SpaceX's rocket is a smaller type of rocket that can't meet NASA's deep-space needs."
by Eric Berger - 4/30/2018

Recently, Boeing created a website called "Watch US Fly" to promote its aerospace industry—a grab bag of everything from Chinese tariffs to President Trump's visit to the company's facilities in St. Louis. Among the most intriguing sections is one that promotes the company's Space Launch System rocket and argues that SpaceX's Falcon Heavy booster is "too small" for NASA's deep exploration program.

"The Falcon Heavy launch turned heads in February, but SpaceX's rocket is a smaller type of rocket that can't meet NASA's deep-space needs," the website states. "Once the Boeing-built SLS is operational, it will be the most powerful rocket ever built."

The Boeing site backs up this claim by quoting NASA's Bill Gerstenmaier, who talked about the differences between the SLS rocket and Falcon Heavy at a meeting of the NASA Advisory Council meeting in March. Gerstenmaier, the chief of NASA's human spaceflight program, said the SLS had "unique capabilities" that the Falcon Heavy rocket does not have. However, as Ars reported at the time, Gerstenmaier actually struggled to explain why NASA needed the SLS rocket because the space agency has not yet built anything that will take advantage of those capabilities.

The SLS promotional website also makes some questionable assertions. It speaks of the super-powerful SLS rocket as if it will soon exist. But the SLS booster is probably at least two years away from its maiden flight. Moreover, the version of the SLS rocket that flies in two years will not come close to being the "most powerful rocket ever built." That will come much later, if ever.

Most powerful rocket

The "most powerful" title belongs to the Saturn V rocket. NASA used them in the 1960s and 1970s for the Apollo program, and they had the capability to lift 118 metric tons to low Earth orbit. The initial configuration of the SLS booster will be able to lift 70 tons to low Earth orbit, which is marginally more than the Falcon Heavy and its 64 tons. (Compared to the Falcon Heavy, the SLS will have a more powerful upper stage, enabling it to send more mass into deep space).

NASA does have plans to upgrade the SLS rocket to a 105-ton configuration, but this will not occur until at least the mid-2020s and will probably cost several billion dollars as NASA contracts with Boeing to build an entirely new upper stage. Finally, the 130-metric-ton version—the "most powerful rocket ever built"—has no real timetable. Certainly, it seems unlikely to fly within the next decade.

By then, the proposed 130-metric-ton SLS may well be superseded by the Big Falcon Rocket under development by SpaceX or Blue Origin's proposed New Armstrong booster. In any case, comparing the Falcon Heavy to a rocket that won't exist for at least a decade and without many billions of dollars in public investment seems spurious. Boeing also makes no mention of the huge cost disparity between the two rockets.

There is one final interesting nugget on the Boeing website. The end of the SLS blurb invites readers to "Learn more about why the SLS is the right choice for NASA" by linking to a news story in the London Evening Standard. This is a conservative British tabloid owned by a Russian oligarch and former KGB agent, Alexander Lebedev.

The author of the Evening Standard story, an online general assignments reporter named Sean Morrison, did not listen to the NASA Advisory Council meeting where Gerstenmaier commented about the SLS' capabilities. Rather, he quoted (without linking) from another news article from the "technology news website Ars Technica."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/04 … too-small/

#175 Not So Free Chat » Stunning scientists, NASA’s only moon rover just got canceled » 2018-04-29 08:28:32

EdwardHeisler
Replies: 14

Stunning scientists, NASA’s only moon rover just got canceled
The Washington Post
by Sarah Kaplan
April 28, 2018

Months after President Trump signed a directive ordering NASA to return astronauts to the moon, the space agency has canceled its only lunar rover currently in development.

According to Clive Neal, a University of Notre Dame planetary scientist and emeritus chairman of the Lunar Exploration Analysis Group, members of the Resource Prospector mission were told to close out the project by the end of May.

“I'm a little shocked,” he said. Neal, who is not directly involved in developing the mission, said he did not know the reason for the cancellation.

NASA said Friday that it would be putting out a statement about the project.

The Resource Prospector mission, which was in the concept formulation stage for potential launch in the 2020s, would have surveyed one of the moon's poles in search of volatile compounds such as hydrogen, oxygen and water that could be mined to support future human explorers. It would have been the first mission to mine another world and was seen as a steppingstone toward long-term crewed missions beyond Earth.

The cancellation, first reported by the Verge, troubles many lunar scientists. They say the mission is vital both to human exploration and to scientific understanding of the moon. In a letter to newly confirmed NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine, the Lunar Exploration Analysis Group — which conducts analyses for NASA and other space agencies — called for the mission to be reinstated and scheduled to launch in 2022.

“This action is viewed with both incredulity and dismay by our community,” the group wrote. Members  pointed out that Trump's Space Policy Directive 1, signed in December, calls for the United States to “lead the return of humans to the Moon for long-term exploration and utilization.”

Read the full article at:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … &ocid=iehp

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