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Given the option it would be preferred to leave Europe and forget that they exist for a while.  But Canada and Mexico have shown decent behaviors just recently, and so, in spite of our spite for Europe, I guess we have to try harder.

The great concern is that an all-out clash between Russia and West Europe with the North Americans backing them would end in vast carnage, at best, and there are other players not necessarily of a savory type that will take advantage of the resulting vacuum.

The best outcome is a draw where Russia does not possess all of Ukraine.  The second best is where Russia takes possession of all of Ukraine the worst has another party occupying and colonizing the Ukraine.

The globalists don't care western and near western peoples are those who you can betray to gain Judas money.

There are deeper dangers in this than your simple minded analysis can see. 

Unfortunately, our P.Z. does not so much value American or Western values.  I think he values power.  A great guy, but I don't think he plays entirely for the good guys.

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We keep seeing articles about how either electricity or sunlight is being used to generate hydrocarbons from CO2 in the air, and water.

I was wondering where the best solar is in the world, this is what I got. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert
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And this of course then asks what about a market for the product?  Hydrocarbons are a problem to ship to a market.  But Shade Balls, might work out better, presuming that they would have value.

The location is one that the USA might be able to help protect from hostile forces.  And a solid object could be stored for long periods or shipped with relative ease.

While it might make sense to make hydrocarbon liquids or gasses from the atmosphere, to then burn, Shade Balls could be a method to sequester Carbon from the Atmosphere long term.  And they would be a useful part to machinery.

It would not make sense to make these in places like Germany or New York from solar energy.  However, depending on the quantity of these made, it may offset the burning of Hydrocarbon fuels in Germany and New York.

Of course, there are other places such as Australia where I think the manufacture might occur, and the North American Continent has deserts as well.

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I think that globalization is naturally against local representation.  If power centers develop in special places in the world, then they very well will answer to the wants and needs of a local population.

More locally as an example I favor solar panels, as it can give a person, community, state, or nation, more local power.  Even if it were only 5% of the power consumed, in emergencies, that 5% could be very important.

I ran into this this morning about Canada: https://www.youtube.com/live/LRo_u0SAr7o
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This may be of value to the USA, as we can do green cards and evaluate potential new citizens on the content of their character, and they will have been partially assimilated to a western culture already.

I have been thinking about what the "West" is, and how the different parts have taken different pathways over my lifetime.

Europe(West), Canada, USA.

WWII devastated Europe, and killed a lot of British and Commonwealth men.  (Not to mention Germany and the USSR).  The USA did not lose that many men population wise.

The USA felt it had to open its markets to Europe(west), to do the P.Z. bribe.

The American Oil ran out for a time, and then money flowed from the "West" to other places, mostly the Muslim Middle East.

Most western nations decided to throw a party, and live large and not have children.  The USA was not quite as much into that as the others.

Party time got particularly intensive when the Soviet Block fell apart and as Peter Zeihan said an empire worth of commodities because available on the cheap.

This did break the OPEC monopoly and took away some of the Muslim world's income.  But the enormous money previously and continuingly accrued to that part of the world has facilitated a cultural inertia.  I do not hate them, but they are not us, so naturally they try to bend reality to their comfort, and that is not necessarily quite to our comfort.

American Shale showed up and now the USA has been getting some petroleum money, but the inertia of the Muslim money is immense.

Then our globalists tried to reverse things.  The Biden type preferred to make money by importing M.E. Oil, this is probably a very selfish costal subset of Americans, that are not that American.  So, they tried to kill shale, and had be for some time, using the left to try to get it done.

Then the shut off Russian Oil or tried to because oil importers to the west make their money by getting Oil from the M.E. which is most Undemocratic (Representative Local).

So, globalism is at its heart anti American, and Oil importers are "Judas Goats" making money by bringing Americans and other oil importers to the slaughterhouse.

This is a Un-American, Non-Nativist power force, which using leftist hate of America, and Elitist Un-Amercan greed, to keep the Americans on the meat hooks.  This power center is more in the Democratic party than the Republican party for now.  We can expect a lot of foreign Elites have been assistive to this damage to the interests of Americans and the USA.  And no wonder, they hate tariffs.

Then there was the corporate and hostile foreign meddling in reproductive processes.  Trying to stop the west from having children and also trying to make middle class families have multiple wage earners, as an absolute necessity.  This gave more servants to the enemy to suck money from, and reduced the burden to a society to raise children.  Of course this allowed more money to be siphoned off.

Feminism played a role in this.  Selfish, evil, good, productive.  These can be applied to females as easily to males.  But it is typical that most people will seek ease for themselves, perhaps at the cost to others around them.

Feminism simply offers a stick to the female and suggests she is entitled to hit people with it to get what she wants.  And of course, the male will behave similar if given that offer.

But my own theory has it that the compulsion of females is to procreate, and to obtain wealth.  To perpetuate genes.  Males do the same thing but in different ways.

Female choice in mating leads to the stone age, in my opinion.  She wishes to extract wealth from submissive men and other women, daddy, and mommy.  But her preferred mating partner is the "Dominant Man", not the "Capable Man".

In the stone age where there is a lesser technology and bashing in heads leads more to wealth, the "Dominant Man" is closer to the "Capable Man".

Males to some extent may look for advanced features in females.  Neoteny.  This allows for a more gracile population.  Probably a more "Capable" population, capable of technological advancement for the amplification of the production of wealth.

And of course, the enemy has done everything to exploit this situation.

But that was the world since WWII.  I believe we are in a new turning, which is a mirror of 4 turnings previous, and that it is entirely correct that we do things very different in this new set of 4 turnings.

We are not returning to the Savanah where persistence hunting and cannibalism gave profit to genes, so we need to change our ways as that is no place we should want to inhabit.

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This makes Mars much more terraform able.

I wonder if an electric current could be flowed through the ground to thaw the ice and cause springs to erupt.

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OK, I think the panic over plastics and Microplastics is likely overblown.

But could we make Shade Balls from something else.  Perhaps in part or in whole, from Carbon?

Rocket Lab claims to have a good process for building with Carbon: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/updates/ro … g-machine/

But wet Carbon Shade Balls, might be digestible to microbes.  Char from pyrolysis of organic matter is hard for organisms to digest.  Perhaps we can inhibit the munching or slow it down.  Maybe we can even feed a crop of microbes with Carbon Shade Balls.

If we could separate the Hydrogen from Carbon in petrochemicals, then the Hydrogen can be burned to water, and the Carbon can be prevented from burning in these pond/canal machines.

I have suggested gentle agitation to keep the balls wetted.  The same device might be turned on high to put out fires, should somehow the shade balls catch fire.

In this way we could sequester, massive amounts of Carbon perhaps safely, and in a prolonged fashion, while they would serve as part of a machine(s).

I have been trying to get to something like this for some time.

I think it is worth exploration even if you have to use plastic, but we might prefer Carbon.

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The relationship by an initial bribe, I guess it clicks now that you said it.

The Roman lines are still important.  If a culture can bridge them, then some interesting powers are enabled.  I do not understand why, but I see evidence.  The evolution of such a culture able to bridge, has been over a long duration of time.

The Greeks had the ability to function in "True Asia".  Here I mention ethnographic rather than geographic identifications.  India for instance like North America Eurasian, and Eurafrican.  Iran is Eurasian, the Arabian Peninsula is Eurafrican.

Romans had little ability to function in the Eurasian realms.  Why?  Well, I don't know, but some evidence is apparent from history.  But the Greeks, Icelanders, and here and there people on that fault line, have to some degree achieved representative government in history.  The Romans had some success, but lots of failures in that regard. 

Slavery prohibition is a massive advancement beyond that.  I guess it may be true, that with machines it was possible to have enough wealth without formal enslavement of people.

To see the Brits go into bondage, is an indicator that something is wrong.  It invites worse things.

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Well, you seem to have something: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ba6167b5d3  Quote:

I have considered that there is a great danger, each time that the concept of reprehensive government bleeds into new locations on the planet.  This was true of the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution.  My feeling is the transition between old world governing values "Atlantic" governing values, which to a great extent come from the USA, leaves open the potential for actors of insincere character to pose as the leaders of a new era.  They co-opt the assentation process and lead it into darkness.

Of course, the above glorifies us a bit more than we are truly worthy of for acclaim.  But we still have desires for a greater perfection even if we fall far short of such perfection.

I think that the Napoleonic cravings or Romanoid Europe, are struggling to have the EU take possession of NATO, and so then to make North America and perhaps the UK subservient to a new fascist dictatorship.

The Romans for whatever reason split the Empire a long time ago, and those fault lines persist.  It is dangerous to treat them as trivial.  And the Romans never really mastered the other half of the entity, the Russianoid one.  Even in Britian they turned away from the Picts alone and built a wall.

The English eventually conquered the land of the Picts, but that, I believe was only because of the size difference and food supplies. 

The USA and CANADA have managed to pass across this great divide.  Although Canada seems a bit fragile just now.

I think that for Europe a Hitlerian or Napoleonic danger exists from the EU.  Instead of the glass half full view they see the half empty view.   They don't count how much has been gained since the end of the Cold War.  And the great danger is to democracy, because now they are studying the tools of war, and looking at maps, thinking that there are no fault lines in reality that they cannot overcome by the force they falsely judge that they have in reserve.

The great pity is that the Ukraine could probably have joined the EU, if they simply gave the Russians naval rights of permanence, in Crimea, and if they had allowed autonomy between east and west Ukraine.

Here in the USA, we have states so that fault line pressures can generally be dissipated as those pressures build up.

But as I have said before our danger in the EU is similar to the danger of the French and Russian revolutions coopted by dictatorship.  And this time the danger has promise of annihilation of all that has been built.

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I am not against so called green energy, but would rather refer to it as new energy, or developing energy.

I believe that the phrase "Green Energy" has been tainted by a degenerate process that gives the wrong benefits to the wrong people.

Particularly in West Europe, and centering also on poorly assimilated North Americans, this process seems to be embedded in instincts to resort to archaic social arrangements.  Royal thinking somehow is blended with socialist leanings to produce a socialism for the elites.

It is the difference between uplifting the "Capable Man" and regarding the masses as something that the "Dominant Man" is to consume.  Either process can produce a contrast between the more fortunate and the less fortunate.

But the "Capable Man" Elon Musk as a possible example, potentially attains great fortune in facilitating the growth of technological culture, and the "Dominant Man" simply seeks to consume all other peoples life forces in order to attain domination as the method of relative wealth.  This second process then leaves the poor poorer over time, as they are being consumed.

The Green Movement is attractive to "Dominant Man" I believe because it first tells the common people slowly that they are unworthy, and that as penance they should reduce their expectations as to what they may think their share of realty should be.  So, to put a "Hair Shirt" onto the public, rather than inventing new sources of productivity, they engage in a punishment process, which if they have successfully hypnotized the public allows them to take things away from the common people.  This deflates the cost of being "Well Off".  The common people become less wealthy, and the material amount needed to accumulate also declines.   So, this is a descent into a religious based hell in my opinion.

And I think that this is what we see as having happened in Western Europe.  Instead of inventing a new resource, they simply destroy the resources that do not benefit the elites, and also seek to confiscate those remaining resources.  They do not so much invent new resources.

Although to be truthful, in isolated cases it is obvious that the Europeans and British do still create important intellectual advances.  Just stay away from the Socialist Greens though because they are in the process of promoting themselves to royalty while promising to be the moral people.

So, unfortunately, I have a tendency to self-congratulate, without firm evidence of accomplishment.  I need to be self-aware of a bad potential in that.

But my logic is that if you can pull water to a location of lack of water, that is otherwise favorable to productivity, that can likely be a win.

If we can keep the "Greens" from disrupting technological civilization, then accumulation is likely to lead us to the proclaimed "Superpower" situation of Tony Seba, and his associates.

An example of that can be found here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 68fa&ei=15
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This goes on continually, so if a technological society does not have memory loss every advance makes it more likely that new energy sources will emerge.

So, just because there was a lack of productivity from a product like solar panels 20 years ago does not mandate that it will always be a failure.

I think it can be true, that it may make sense to have 2X or 5X times as much solar panels as can give power under optimal conditions.  Tony Seba's logic that this reduces the amount of energy storage needed, seems sensible to me.

To a certain extent, a solar pond/solar canal, can be an energy storage device.  At its extremes you could even run a heat engine from it.  But I like it's more simple features more.  IF you live in a desert, you are likely be subject to hot days and cold nights, or maybe warm days and cool nights.

The pond can provide heating and cooling from its water layers.  And if it can accumulate water or even just store water from atmospheric, well, and river sources, that is valuable also.  And I have hopes that forms of precision fermentation would be possible in at least some layers of the water.

But it would also be possible to use distilled water in containers either submerged or outside of the pond.  The hope here is if you can condense atmospheric water into the device, you can then distill fresh water from it.

Anyway, there is hope.  It may take time to perfect methods, but the overall architecture seems sensible to me.

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The Suez Canal presents a different way to do it.  You could simply draw sea water out and if needed flush excess brine out the other end.

Ponds likely would be alongside the canal, in this case, so canal shipping would not be combined with the brine canals or pools.

In the example of the Colorado River, then it might be that no canal shipping will be desired, but maybe it could be done.  Irrigation is typically in conflict with shipping, but in this case your farmland is precision fermentation in the brine canals/pools.

It might make vastly more sense to do this with the Nile River.  The productivity might simply be off the charts.

And if Shade Balls could be made from atmospheric CO2, then, it is all over for the Green Doom Goblins.

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Here I have put a solar awning over a Shade Ball Canal:

Yes, there is a wiki for Awning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awning

A question exists about desert rivers.  Is it smart to dump fresh water on the ground to irrigate crops?  Could I make a case for dumping at least some of the water into brine canals?

I think I can.

Tony Seba and Rethink X are partially into a thing called Precision Fermentation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RethinkX

Here is a video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=VRDGAR

In the cross section of a brine canal, depending on temperature and salinity, you could grow certain extreme organisms. 

Oxygen from air should be possible to inject though the shade balls into water or by some other means.  A food like Acetate can power the "Crop".

It may be possible to incorporate many functions into these canals.
-To inhibit evaporation or even to promote condensation from the air into the canal.
-Utilizing "Superpower" to store thermal energy and to maintain salt gradients.  Cold on top and warm on the bottom.
-Using the bine canals to ship materials will be somewhat in conflict with the thermal storage, but never say never.  If a tow train could pull it along, special barges might be able to move though without disturbing the thermal stratification too much.
-The brine automatically has anti-freeze of salt.
-The specific gravity of the brine would be better for lifting loads.

If you are in the Great Basin or the Colorado River, it makes more sense to inflate brine canals with solar panels and shade balls, then to dump fresh water on the ground to irrigate bulk food.

In other words, with Salt from the Salton Sea and water from the Colorado River such structures as this could be made with a very large output of benefits, I feel.

For Utah, same thing with rivers, and salt deposits.

And it could likely run mostly off of "Super Power".

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Let's talk tariffs, and then later perhaps other things.

Trumpian Tariffs come in several flavors.
1) So far for Canada and Mexico, help me with a problem or else, 25%.
2) Reciprocal drop your tariffs, (And tricks), to 0% and you can access our markets at 0% tariffs.
3: National Security Tariffs.  (Steel, Aluminum, Cars?).

For #1: Mexico appears to have responded as we would like, so far, not too bad the border is much more under reasonable control.

For #2: Vietnam has responded to do the requirement of #2.  Peter Zeihan has indicated that Mexico and perhaps some other parts of so called "Latin America", and also SE Asia will be our best trade partners.  So, now everybody has to compete with Vietnam from those places for the things that those two locations can provide us.  0% Tariffs.

For #3: Steel, Aluminum, and heavy machinery.  Well, the trust levels for Canada have deteriorated a huge amount, as we are getting "Elbows Out!" responses, and then you tell me that Canada hired a bunch of potential Jihadis to work in their car industry.  None of that is reassuring.  It seems that we have been foolish to trust Canada.  If we "Fell and could not get up", it seems that Canada may be the kind of guy "Who would crawl over his dying mother to rape his dying sister".  Under no circumstance should we trust you to be loyal in a war situation.

If we cannot rebuild those National Secuity Industries, then we need to distribute our sourcing to other nations if possible.

Using #1 as leverage, we are also threatening tariffs for nations that assist Venezuela.  That appears to be working.  This benefits everyone else's hydrocarbon industry.  Arabs, Russians, Canada, etc.  There is more supply than market.  Venezuela has made itself into a hate machine and this is the rewards they will reap for that.

Back to Canada and Mexico, I think Mexico has the easier situation.   They have a market to offer to us.  Canada has less of a market to offer.

And if we try to make Canada go 0%<>0%, you have a problem.  Quebec at least needs tariffs, to protect its dairy, and Canada does not want to become excessively reliant on the USA for that.

I will come coldly clean, I do not crave Alberta, although it would be sort of exciting.  But I would rather Alberta become a Republic or stay with Canada.  Not so much a state, as we would be taking territory if Alberta=State.  Alberta as a Republic, might be possible to do a 0%<>0% as long as they did not facilitate tariff bypass for goods from the rest of Canada.

This would integrate their petrochemical industry with ours more.  And it would be a passage control BC<>The rest of Canada, just as Canada has threatened passage control Alaska<>Ther rest of the USA.  Also, it would give us some interaction with other products of Alberta.

But to avoid this sweet kindness from us, all Canada has to do is give Alberta it's pipelines.  But we could still tariff Alberta products if it remains in confederation.

For the USA long term energy is probably not a problem.  Internally, for now we seem to have enough.  We would have to modify our refineries to handle shale oil, though it I think it is desired not to have to do that.

I don't like the Green Doom Goblins, but I think that solar and wind with batteries will become a actual thing of significance.  I don't think it wise to depend on it 100% though as the Greenies from Europe seem to think is a nice "Hair Shirt" to wear.

In addition, it is likely that Natural Hydrogen will be a thing for us somewhere on the Continent.
It is highly likely that data centers may be powered by Nuclear and/or Geothermal, local to them so that power does not have to flow through a grid.

It seems somewhat likely that Fusion will become actual, but I suspect that it will not be competitive with Solar or Wind.  It would be fantastic for Mars and Titan though.

Space Solar may become actual also.  The Brits and some others have a need and that could work for them.

We also have Oil Shale, not just Shale Oil.  We do not tap Oil Shale at all but could if we had to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale
https://geology.com/usgs/oil-shale/unit … hale.shtml
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As for labor, the rate of expansion of robotic/automated labor will not be infinite but it will be like many fire hoses full on.

If this works out, we will as my mother would have said it "Be Sitting Pretty".

We can also talk about the Russians.  My theory is they do not value expanded, land Aquisition as much as they value Russianoid people.  They do have Crimea now, for their navy.  They will want their Russians back, with the land, if possible, but also otherwise.  They could get many of them back if they could do a "Butter" deal with us.  But they seem to be brooding over their nest which is Eastern Ukraine, Belorussia, Kazakhstan, for the larger part.  I think they will only occupy west Ukraine to turn it into a neutral state, if they have to.  They may maintain interest in Transnistria.
So, Moldova has concerns.

If they do otherwise then they will betray themselves, and we can reposition our activities accordingly.

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Thank You Metatron: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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